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Link Posted: 10/12/2024 3:01:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
and What a Submission it is, Brother!! Whoo! Let's do this one in it's entiretyWe interrupt our "little red book carrying mandarins" to do a sobriety check on the statement in red:
I'm going to say that the article does necessarily reflect the views of CGTN otherwise, it's to the "re-education" center with them for about 4 years. 10 years if they can tack on a criminal act.

Now, back to our fantasy:
Taiwan has been reduced to a "region" instead of a country and UN Resolution 2758 says nothing of this sort, and I can't think of a "Western liberal" democracy that has publically said this. For decades, the status quo has always been about the ambiguity of the "one-China" policy. Technically, this only exists as far as UN representation is concerned and bolstered with the Chinese bribing foreign politicians.

This one tripe we've just dispensed a couple of weeks ago as a matter of fact, and this is how you can tell we're not the intended audience. Xi has already stated multiple times the goal is "unification" peaceful or violently. "not conflict" belongs in a children's story, and "One Country, Two Systems" has been relegated to the "Dust Bin of History" for both Hong Kong and Macao and hasn't been used in the context of Taiwan for years. The PRC used their manufactured COVID-19 debacle/castrophe to eliminate all protests from Hong Kong and Macao and then prommelgated various laws removing the "One Country, Two Systems" guarantees for those now administrative areas: political candidates must have approval from Beijing prior to running for elected office.


Cut to a photo of the main gate at the White House to make sure you understand!!!


You've all heard the common trope of "that was Stalinism, not real Communism" or "real Communism has never been tried." It's right up there with "When Socialism fails the answer is always more Socialism." In red is the kind of mental gymnastics these literal clowns, but very dangerous clowns go through to the "We've always been at War with East Asia" all ginned up and raring to go.


One point and one observation to make here. First is the population of Taiwan is the only public opinion that really matter in this context. Second is this: even Keith Lamb has noted the closeness of the DNC to MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, The View and the rest of all of that bull shit. But what Keith Lamb will note write about is that all of it is done at the behest of a political party. Here, it's the Democrats; there it's the CCP. We must ask ourselves how much of a difference is there between these two political parties?





Did we get rid of the puke emoji???? Fuck, it's hard to find the one you want. Insert puke here, please!!!!!! Join the Borg Collective is hardly a message outside of Hollywood.

In red is the threat of being accused of criminal activity for holding political opinions something people here are now experiencing thanks to Democrats.

In Blue is laughable as no context has been given, other than arms sales, to say how will foreign elites "profit from this folly." There's a reason for this: It's the foreign elites of various countries that the CCP bribes. The can't really start calling for their executions yet, as these same "foreign elites" will probably raise their price.
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“University of Oxford graduate with a Master of Science in Contemporary Chinese Studies.”

So Tim Walz and this guy could be friends
Link Posted: 10/12/2024 3:07:16 PM EDT
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"University of Oxford graduate with a Master of Science in Contemporary Chinese Studies."

So Tim Walz and this guy could be friends
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He had Walz at "Socialism with Chinese Characterists"!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/12/2024 4:13:26 PM EDT
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Let's get the beginning of the story:
Most Japanese see Taiwan as independent: poll
Seventy percent of Japanese view Taiwan as an independent country and support establishing formal diplomatic relations between the nations, a poll published yesterday by a Taipei-based think tank showed.

The Indo-Pacific Strategic Think Tank (IPST) worked with the Japanese Sankei Shimbun's polling company to conduct a survey on Japanese public opinion of Taiwan and cross-strait relations.

The survey showed that 71.1 percent of Japanese respondents said they support establishing diplomatic ties with Taiwan, 71.2 percent view Taiwan as an independent nation and 55 percent feel closest to Taiwan among nine Asian countries.

When asked which person most represents Taiwan, 53.8 percent chose late singer Teresa Teng (   ), followed by retired baseball star Kuo Tai-yuan (   ), who pitched for Japan's Seibu Lions from 1985 to 1997, at 18.6 percent and late president Lee Teng-hui (   ) at 16.7 percent.

Four percent of respondents said President William Lai (   ), the poll showed.

Regarding cross-strait relations, only 8.2 percent of participants said they viewed Taiwan as part of China and 20.6 said they were unsure about the issue.

Fifty percent said they believe that a war would not occur in the next decade, 23.6 percent think conflict is likely and 26.4 percent remain neutral, the poll showed.

On late Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe's statement that "a Taiwan contingency is a contingency for Japan," 38.3 percent said they supported it, 30 percent opposed it and 31.8 percent did not reply either way, it showed.

If a conflict were to break out, 52.1 percent said they expected that the US would support, but not directly intervene, 39.1 percent expect a US intervention and 8.9 percent believe the US would not assist Taiwan.

As for Japan's role in a hypothetical conflict, 46.6 percent of respondents said they believed Japan should provide legally permissible support, 41.4 percent support economic sanctions and 12 percent believe Japan should not intervene at all, the poll showed.

The survey found that 40.6 percent of respondents said they believe Japan should bolster economic engagement with Taiwan, while 26.7 percent said they prefer prioritizing security cooperation, 16.1 percent support emphasizing cultural exchanges and 10.2 percent prefer focusing on political relations.

Regarding what they like and dislike most about Taiwan, the majority said they liked Taiwan's proximity to Japan and the friendliness of Taiwanese, such as how it assists Japan during natural disasters, while 53.8 percent cited Taiwan's chaotic traffic as a major drawback, the poll showed.

The survey was conducted on Sept. 21, with more than 3,000 adult respondents from eight major cities, IPST said, adding that the poll consisted of 14 single-choice questions, asked over the telephone.

The IPST is a new research organization founded by Taipei-based political commentator Akio Yaita that takes inspiration from Abe's Indo-Pacific Strategy to highlight Taiwan's democratic freedoms and its strategic importance to regional peace and stability.


Link Posted: 10/12/2024 5:38:24 PM EDT
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Inspired by Carmel's post, check this stuff out!!!!!
China has 'no right to represent Taiwan,' Lai says
President William Lai (   ) yesterday said that China has "no right to represent Taiwan," but stressed that the nation was willing to work with Beijing on issues of mutual interest.

"The Republic of China has already put down roots in Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu," Lai said in his first Double Ten National Day address outside the Presidential Office Building in Taipei. "And the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China [PRC] are not subordinate to each other."

"The People's Republic of China has no right to represent Taiwan," he said at the event marking the 113th National Day of the Republic of China, adding that his "mission" as president was to "ensure that our nation endures and progresses" and "resist annexation or encroachment upon our sovereignty."
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Let's check out China's thoughtful response from this article and another article found here:
US warns of tactics Beijing expected to use
China late on Tuesday accused Lai of escalating tensions with "sinister intentions" in a speech he made over the weekend at an event to mark National Day today.

Lai said that it is "impossible" for the People's Republic of China (PRC) to become Taiwan's "motherland," because the Republic of China (ROC, Taiwan) has older political roots.

China's Taiwan Affairs Office said he was confusing right and wrong.

Lai's "Taiwan independence fallacy is just old wine in a new bottle, and again exposes his obstinate stance on Taiwan independence, and his sinister intentions of escalating hostility and confrontation," it said.
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and from the first story:
In Beijing, Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Mao Ning (  ) said Lai was "hell-bent" on independence.

Lai's speech "exposed his hell-bent position on Taiwan independence and his sinister intention to escalate tensions in the Taiwan Strait for political self-interest," Mao told a regular news briefing.

"Taiwan has never been a country and can never become one, so it does not have any so-called 'sovereignty,'" Mao said.

She added that Lai's comments "arbitrarily severed the historical connection between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait" and used "all manner of tactics to peddle the fantasy of Taiwan independence."
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It's not yet 0600 in Taiwan, so the "score card" reporting period hasn't ended it. So far, it's been ho-hum. No idea when, or if, it will change, and the op-tempo goes up.
Link Posted: 10/12/2024 9:37:29 PM EDT
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Six days no cell service and hardly any humans was glorious. But alas it has ended and I see China is still in its bullying phase. Maybe one day it will enter into the attacking phase of its plan.

Since I haven’t contributed anything here’s the score card.
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Link Posted: 10/13/2024 12:07:26 AM EDT
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Welcome Back, Brother!!!!

ETA: I was going to say that area 1 was active for almost 23 hours.

Here are the other stories I was going to post:
Taiwan's democratic partners back peace in Indo-Pacific at ASEAN summits
I've been waiting for this ASEAN conference to end. Not much happened except the use of the word "stability" was ever present. You can read "stability" as accepting the current status quo.
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) thanked its partners for supporting peace in the South China Sea at ASEAN Summits in Laos beginning Oct. 6

During the week-long event, the leaders and officials from the US, Japan, South Korea, Australia, and India expressed concern over growing instability in the region, MOFA said.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken discussed China's activities in the South China Sea, East China Sea, and the Taiwan Strait in his meetings with ASEAN officials. Japanese Prime Minister Ishiba Shigeru said Tokyo was concerned about "intensifying militarization and coercive activities" in the South China Sea and also stressed peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait.

In its joint statement with ASEAN, South Korea affirmed the importance of regional security and freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said, "Maintaining peace and stability takes work" and pledged to cooperate with partners to achieve regional peace.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi emphasized, "Peace, security, and stability of the South China Sea are in the interest of the entire Indo-Pacific region." MOFA said these positions align with Taiwan's consistent South China Sea policy.

"Taiwan will continue to collaborate with like-minded partners under its 'comprehensive diplomacy' to uphold shared values such as democracy, freedom, and human rights," MOFA said. It urged the international community to adhere to international law and UNCLOS to uphold the rules-based international order and regional peace.
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Here's another story about the toughness of modern day Jolly Ol' England:
UK asked Taiwan ex-President Tsai Ing-wen to postpone visit
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   As former President Tsai Ing-wen (   ) starts her first overseas tour since leaving office, it has been revealed the United Kingdom asked her to postpone a visit, The Guardian reported Saturday (Oct. 12).

Tsai's eight-day visit includes stops in the Czech Republic with a speech at the Forum 2000 conference, in France, and Belgium. She is set to become Taiwan's first former president to visit the European Parliament.

Her plans to visit London however, were canceled after the British Foreign Office told organizers they might endanger Foreign Secretary David Lammy's first official visit to China next week. The British-Taiwanese all-party parliamentary group (APPG) had wanted to host Tsai in parliament.
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Prominent UK politicians said it should be made clear that Tsai was welcome in the country. APPG member Frances D'Souza said parliament was a democratic forum open to many voices, and she hoped it could welcome Tsai soon.
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Link Posted: 10/13/2024 12:23:15 AM EDT
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Crossroads of Commerce:
How the Taiwan Strait Propels the Global Economy

New research from CSIS estimates that approximately $2.45 trillion worth of goods—over one-fifth of global maritime trade—transited the Taiwan Strait in 2022.

Disruptions to this trade would send shockwaves well beyond Taiwan and China, impacting key U.S. allies and broad swaths of the Global South.

Taiwan produces over 90 percent of the most cutting-edge chips used in smartphones, data centers, and advanced military equipment. Disruptions to the supply of these technologies could wipe trillions of dollars from global GDP.  

I always enjoy CSIS analysis of issues. Enjoy the read. https://features.csis.org/chinapower/china-taiwan-strait-trade/

And of course a visual for people who like pictures like myself.
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They have not announced an end date for the exercise.  I believe in the past they always have.

Need to keep a eye on how this plays out.
Link Posted: 10/13/2024 8:03:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/13/2024 10:06:42 PM EDT
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Lots going on today.  It appears this drill around Taiwan is much larger than the one earlier in the year.  China has included several dozen of there coast guard vessels, which appear to be in circling Taiwan.  

The score card is out but without a map.  Taiwans defense minister was asked why is there no map and they replied with we will release one later.  To me it looks like they are withholding information again.  Which they do so they don’t “alarm” the public.

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Link Posted: 10/14/2024 2:05:14 AM EDT
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Lots going on today.  It appears this drill around Taiwan is much larger than the one earlier in the year.  China has included several dozen of there coast guard vessels, which appear to be in circling Taiwan.  

The score card is out but without a map.  Taiwans defense minister was asked why is there no map and they replied with we will release one later.  To me it looks like they are withholding information again.  Which they do so they don't "alarm" the public.

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Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
Lots going on today.  It appears this drill around Taiwan is much larger than the one earlier in the year.  China has included several dozen of there coast guard vessels, which appear to be in circling Taiwan.  

The score card is out but without a map.  Taiwans defense minister was asked why is there no map and they replied with we will release one later.  To me it looks like they are withholding information again.  Which they do so they don't "alarm" the public.

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You are correct on both accounts.

This was sort of a predictable move. (pg 52 post #42.) They've (CCP) just been waiting for the excuse. Now we see if Biden/Harris act or react or pretend nothing's going on.

The Administration really has nothing going on for itself in the crediable threat department. They totally fucked up in the Levant from NOV23 right up to now. The Israelis left them in the dust. They just look like a bunch of fags arguing/fighting over which float is prettiest.

Here's the polite announcement from the Taiwan News:
China launches 'Joint Sword-2024B' exercises around Taiwan
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The People's Liberation Army (PLA) announced the "Joint Sword-2024B" military exercises around Taiwan on Monday (Oct. 14).

The PLA's Eastern Theater Command said the drills involve land, sea, air, and rocket forces in the Taiwan Strait and areas north, south, and east of Taiwan. The PLA did not say when the drills would end.  

Eastern Theater Command Spokesperson Li Xihai (   ) said the drills will involve naval ships and military aircraft approaching Taiwan "in close proximity from different directions" for joint exercises focused on "sea-air combat-readiness patrol, blockade on key ports and areas, assault on maritime and ground targets." Li said the exercises are designed to train Chinese forces to seize control and test joint operations capabilities.

The Eastern Theater Command said this drill is also "a stern warning to the separatist acts of 'Taiwan independence' forces." It claimed the exercises are a "legitimate and necessary operation for safeguarding state sovereignty and national unity."

China published a map with nine areas around Taiwan where the exercises will occur, including two off the east coast, three on the west coast, and one to the north. Exercises will also take place around Matsu's main cluster of islands, Dongyin, and Kinmen's Greater Qiu Islet.

Taiwan's Ministry of National Defense (MND) said it dispatched forces to respond to the Chinese drills. The MND criticized Beijing for "exacerbating cross-strait tensions" through its "irrational provocative actions" and said it will adhere to its policy of "preparing for war, yet not seeking war, and responding to war, yet avoiding war."

Link Posted: 10/14/2024 8:47:43 AM EDT
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Well that was short lived.
Link Posted: 10/14/2024 12:41:36 PM EDT
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Well that was short lived.
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Well that was short lived.


I went to bed pretty pissed off last night!!! How about that!!!!  Is there an "embarrassed" emoji? Insert one here!

Besides having to remember new numbers (125 aircraft, 34 ships capable of blockading Taiwan), as far as the PLA is concerned, we don't have any time frames on the map provided, so we don't know how quickly this generation cycle went. That may have been the test of Joint Sword-2024B - how quickly can the blockade be implemented?

One new and interesting thing, though. We posted a story about the Carrier Liaoning passing throught the Bashi Channel on its way to the open Pacific, and well, we got chumped on that:
Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning spotted south of Taiwan
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) on Sunday (Oct. 13) said China's aircraft carrier the Liaoning had entered waters south of Taiwan.

On Sunday afternoon, the MND announced that a carrier strike group led by the Liaoning navigated into the waters near the Bashi Channel. The ministry predicted that the Liaoning would enter the West Pacific.

The MND said the military is using joint intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance methods to monitor the situation and sent combat patrol aircraft and naval vessels and deployed land-based air defense missile systems in response.

On Sept. 18, the MND said that the Liaoning aircraft carrier strike group passed through the waters northeast of Taiwan and continued its course toward the southeast of Japan's Yonaguni Island. On Oct. 2, Japan's Joint Staff Office reported that the Liaoning had been maneuvering in the Pacific since September.

Between Sept. 20 and Oct. 1, aircraft conducted approximately 630 takeoffs and landings from the Liaoning, according to the Joint Staff Office. It assessed that the Liaoning moved southwest to the waters east of the Philippines between Oct. 1 and 2.

The PLA Eastern Theater Command announced on Monday (Oct. 14) that its army, navy, air force, and rocket forces were conducting the "Joint Sword-2024B" exercise in the Taiwan Strait and areas north, south, and east of Taiwan. The MND strongly condemned these "irrational provocative actions" and said military forces have been deployed in response.

The Taiwanese deployed both of their anti-ship missile systems:
Taiwan deploys Hsiung Feng missiles in response to China's military drill
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Navy has deployed its mobile anti-ship missile launch vehicles in response to China's military exercises around Taiwan.

Monday afternoon (Oct. 14), the Ministry of National Defense (MND) released videos showing combat readiness preparations, emphasizing their close monitoring of activities in surrounding waters. The footage showed the Haifeng Brigade deploying mobile missile and radar vehicles to designated tactical positions.

The Haifeng Brigade, equipped with Hsiung Feng II and Hsiung Feng III anti-ship missiles, will soon integrate the Harpoon Coastal Defense System (HCDS) launch system purchased from the US, per CNA. To strengthen sea control capabilities, the military is establishing new bases for the Haifeng Brigade in Yunlin, Tainan, Zuoying, Pingtung (two locations), and Taitung, some of which are still under construction.

and for those of you that still use your FaceBook account, the MND has a video with this description:
Defense ministry releases video in response to Chinese drills around Taiwan
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) released a Facebook video on Monday (Oct. 14) highlighting its ability to defend Taiwan in response to China's "Joint Sword-2024B" military drills.

The video showcased naval vessels and operations by an E-2K Hawkeye early-warning aircraft and P-3C Orion anti-submarine aircraft. It also showed Patriot mobile missile launchers, F-16 fighter jets, patrol boats, a reconnaissance drone, an AH-1W SuperCobra attack helicopter, and Clouded Leopard armored vehicles.  

The video said China raised military threats and unilaterally changed the status quo jeopardizing Taiwan Strait peace and stability. The MND said Taiwan's military personnel were on high alert, holding firm to the principle of preparing for conflicts while not seeking them.

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Some other things happened as well!!

There's something about this story that isn't sitting right with me:
Fight between soldiers at south Taiwan KTV leaves 1 dead
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   A fight between soldiers at a KTV parlor in Pingtung left one marine dead early Saturday (Oct. 12).

Police received reports of a fight at the unregistered KTV around 2:40 a.m. They sent an 11-member emergency response team to the scene, Liberty Times reported.

They were told the four guests involved had gone to a hospital. They found one of them had died.

The victim, surnamed Hung ( ), was a 20-year-old marine, per CNA. He had reportedly been attacked by the three other guests, with Lin ( ), 24, a member of the 333 Mechanized Infantry Brigade, brandishing a knife.

Hung had been found severely injured by the side of a road 50 meters from the KTV. Drinking was believed to have played a part in the incident between the two sides, who had not known each other before the incident.

Reports said Lin and the two others were detained five hours after the clash.
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Drunkiness? Sure.
Fighting? Of course.
Killing? If there's a woman involved somehow, some manner...it wouldn't be the first time. If there isn't, then something else is going on here.


Next story:
Presidential Office condemns Chinese military drills around Taiwan
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Presidential Office called on China to accept Taiwan's sovereignty on Monday (Oct. 14), after the People's Liberation Army announced a series of drills around the nation.

"China should face the reality of the existence of the Republic of China (Taiwan) and respect the Taiwanese people's choice of a democratic and free way of life," the office said in a statement. It pointed out the global consensus of maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait and Indo-Pacific.

China should halt military activities that "undermine regional peace and stability" and target Taiwan's democratic way of life, the office said. Taiwan remains committed to cross-strait dialogue and exchanges based on equality and dignity, it added. The office reiterated that Taiwan is ready to cooperate with China to ensure regional security and improve the well-being of people on both sides of the strait.
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China's drills come as Taiwan is set to conduct three military exercises later this month. The Army's Chang Tai No. 19 exercise, the Navy's Hai Chiang Exercise, and the Air Force's Tianlong Exercise will all be held from late October to early November. The exercises aim to test Taiwan's combat readiness and joint operations capabilities.
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Meanwhile...
Meanwhile, the US Department of State issued a statement expressing concern over China's drills. It labeled the maneuvers "unwarranted." The State Department called on Beijing to cease activities "that may undermine peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait and in the broader region" and reiterated the US "one China" policy based on the Taiwan Relations Act, three joint communiques, and Six Assurances.
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Strong Letter to follow!

Link Posted: 10/14/2024 1:08:46 PM EDT
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A couple of interesting stories:
Taiwan to donate US$800,000 for US hurricane recovery efforts
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Taiwan announced a donation of US$800,000 to assist in disaster response and recovery efforts in the southeastern United States as Hurricane Helene continues to cause devastation.

In a press release on Saturday (Oct. 12), Taiwan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) stated it will contribute US$800,000 to the US states most severely impacted by the hurricane. The funds include US$300,000 each for Florida and North Carolina, and US$200,000 for Georgia.

MOFA noted, "Taiwan is frequently hit by typhoons in summer and autumn" and "deeply empathizes with those who have suffered tremendous losses in life and property." It added that Taiwan shares a strong connection with the American people and is eager to offer assistance.

In a tweet, MOFA added: "Our hearts go out to those who were devastated by Hurricane Helene. At this tragic time, we're donating US$800,000 for reconstruction efforts in Florida, North Carolina, and Georgia, underscoring the profound bond between Taiwan and the US."
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Now, before certain irregular visitors to this thread start with the shit-talking, I would like to remind those visitors that Taiwan in this same period was hit with two typhoons and one earthquake, so they have their issues to fix as well. It's a very good time to remember what your Mother should have taught you: it's the thought that counts.
Plus, there are a number of Countries out there that do donate to the US when the US has a natural disaster...not that anyone here really gives a shit, but it does happen.


I found an interesting story:
Taiwan's housing prices rise 4th fastest wordwide
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)    In the latest global property price rankings, Taiwan was noted for the fourth-highest rise in home prices.

The international real estate consulting company Knight Frank on Monday (Oct. 7) released its "Global House Price Index" for the second quarter of 2024. Turkey ranked first in the world for housing price increases, with a national surge of 46.4% over the past year. Hong Kong experienced the largest drop in housing prices.
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The top five countries with the highest year-over-year increases in global housing prices in the second quarter were Turkey (46.4%), Poland (18%), Bulgaria (15.1%), Taiwan (11.9%), and North Macedonia (11.5%). Countries ranking sixth to 10th included Colombia (10.9%), New Zealand (9.8%), Mexico (9.4%), Greece (9.2%), and Croatia (9.1%).

The top five countries with the largest housing price declines over the past year were Hong Kong (-12.7%), Luxembourg (-10.9%), Jersey Island (-9%), Finland (-6.8%), and China (-5.2%).
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The story interests me because most of these countries were attendees back in '93 and '94 when the Clinton Admin was doing it's "Third Way" conferences. The Third Way (besides being the coded title of Fascism) led all the attending countries and the host country as well to suffer the consequences of governments creating a sub-prime lending market while having private enterprise collapse and causing even more governmental intervention. It seems that this problem still isn't being solved!

Knight Frank said that most countries around the world are entering a cycle of interest rate cuts, which will stimulate the rise in housing prices but may lead to policy intervention. In addition, authorities in some countries have begun to play expansions of the housing supply to alleviate the rise in housing prices.

According to the consulting firm, the average global house price growth across the 56 markets it surveyed in the 12 months to the end of June was 3.3%. It said 74% of markets saw a rise in the second quarter, the highest highest such reading in two years.
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Lack of housing does lead to instability in societies which cause governments to be overthrown.
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I got one for you as well that you can add to your "trophy room!"


SINGAPORE, Oct 14 (Reuters) - Iran's missile barrage this month against Israel, after a similar large-scale attack in April, shows the value, as well as the shortcomings, of U.S. and allied missile defences in a potential Indo-Pacific conflict with China, analysts say.

Although differences between the two scenarios limit the lessons that can be learnt, the nearly 400 missiles of different types that Iran has fired at Israel this year offer the United States and China some idea of what works and what does not.

For Washington, the main takeaway from Iran's Oct. 1 attacks - the largest sample yet of ballistic missiles fired against modern defences - could be that Beijing's missiles would be more difficult to intercept than Iran's and that the ability to strike back would be needed to deter a mass attack, said Collin Koh of the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore.

"If we look purely through the lenses of deterrence, no longer can one pin hopes on deterrence by denial only - that is, the hope that effective defences can blunt the efficacy of missile strikes," Koh said. "Deterrence by punishment might have to become normative going forward."
(Bear in mind that the above is not a US gov't statement or published conclusion.)

There is no immediate threat of missile conflict in the Indo-Pacific region. The distances, thousands of kilometres, are greater than in the Middle East. China's weapons are more advanced, including manoeuvring warheads and precision guidance. And the target areas are scattered across the region, making a massed attack more difficult.

On the other hand, simply being better informed about how offensive and defensive systems perform after Iran's missile fusillades - many were intercepted - may reduce the chance of conflict, said Ankit Panda of the U.S.-based Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

"Any military force planning long-range missile strikes will need to plan around the possible effects of missile defences," Panda said. "Of course, without clarity on how well a given missile defence system might perform, this could lead to massive escalation."

Israel's layered air and missile defences - from its long-range Arrow systems to the Iron Dome shield meant to handle slower, less complex threats - are tailored to the threats it faces: guided ballistic missiles from powers such as Iran mixed with unguided rockets launched from just over Israel's borders.

The picture is much different in the Indo-Pacific region for the U.S. and its allies, which use the Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) and Raytheon (RTX.CO), THAAD and sea-based Aegis systems for missile defence.

The accuracy of China's DF-26, its most numerous conventional intermediate-range ballistic missile, is estimated to be as good as 150 m (500 feet), according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies' Missile Defense Project. Its DF-21 is shorter-ranged, though some variants have an accuracy of 50 m.

Both can hit most U.S. and allied targets in the region. The DF-26 can reach Guam, the site of major U.S. military facilities. The Pentagon has estimated that China may have several hundred of the missiles.

By contrast, Iran's missiles such as the Fattah-1 are theoretically more accurate - within tens of metres - but are much shorter-ranged. The number of these newer missiles is not public, but U.S. Air Force General Kenneth McKenzie told Congress last year that Iran had more than 3,000 ballistic missiles of all types.

China's capabilities outstrip Iran's in other ways, said Malcolm Davis, a senior analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. Missile attacks would most likely be coordinated with anti-satellite strikes and cyberwarfare, both designed to complicate defence.

"Western (integrated air and missile defence) systems in the Indo-Pacific would have a much tougher time defeating a large Chinese missile strike, comprising hundreds or even thousands of missiles, compared to what the Iranians are capable of," Davis said.


This one is for you originally published two years ago:
Chinese Launch Assault Craft from Civilian Car Ferries in Mass Amphibious Invasion Drill, Satellite Photos Show
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The Chinese military held a major exercise to prove how the People's Liberation Army Navy could use large civilian ferries to launch a massive amphibious invasion of Taiwan.

The PLAN brought amphibious landing craft to a Chinese beach near the Taiwan Strait, according to Aug. 31 satellite imagery reviewed by USNI News. Offshore, the PLAN arrayed several large civilian ferries and warships. The PLA landing craft left the beach, swam to the car ferries and loaded amphibious assault craft aboard at sea via a specially-constructed ramp. The landing craft then left the ferries and returned to their starting point.

Defense analyst Tom Shugart, who monitors Chinese military exercises, followed the drills and tracked seven of the civilian dual-use amphibious ferries during the exercise. Additionally, satellite imagery company Maxar Technologies has provided USNI News with high-resolution images of the August drills, revealing key details.

"They ended up parked off the coast in areas that were near other areas where we've seen them do amphibious assault training before with commercial ferries," Shugart told USNI News.
"The numbers were bigger than we've seen before."

The roll-on roll-off (RoRo) ferry has been identified as Bo Hai Heng Tong, a 15,000-ton multipurpose cargo ship. The ferry's internal parking 'lane' is 1.6 miles long and three meters wide, spread across three decks. This translates into a vehicle cargo capacity that's almost three times that of a San Antonio-class amphibious warship (LPD-17), Shugart said.

"AN LHA or LPD spends a lot of cubic feet [on] Marines able to operate for weeks or months at sea. That's a lot of wasted space if all you're doing is making a quick trip across the strait," he said.

This ship is not unique. Her sister ship, Bo Hai Heng Da, was built at the same time with the same specifications. As the name implies, they normally operate in the Bohai Sea. But for the exercise Bo Hai Heng Tong sailed over 1,000 miles south to be opposite Taiwan.

The concept of augmenting amphibious warfare ships with civilian vessels, and ships taken up from trade (STUFT), are not new to the PLAN. The Chinese Navy has been practicing it for years. Many are used for transport, while some carry artillery pieces on their decks for shore bombardment.

However, launching craft   like the 26-ton ZTD-05, an amphibious armored vehicle used by the PLA   at sea is a new development, Shugart said.

"Everybody assumed that you had to seize a port first. That those [ferries] were second echelon forces  Somebody else has got to seize the port," he said.
"2021 was the first time we saw them dump amphibious assault vehicles right into the water, which means now those ferries can be the first echelon sending assault units straight to the beach."

Shugart said, "China's roll-on/roll-off ferries are very well-suited to support" any invasion of Taiwan. "Civilian augmentation will be essential, if not providing the majority of the required sealift capacity."

Since the exercise, RoRo ships have returned to their normal routes, ferrying civilian vehicles across the entrance to the Bohai Sea. But their capability would allow China to switch to invasion mode at short notice.

"What can you come up with that's better than a ferry? That's what they do. That's what they're designed for, is to quickly move vehicles and people, drop them off and go back and work as efficiently as humanly possible," Shugart told USNI News.
Those are some big ships. The heli-pad looks like it could do two Chinooks with room for a container of prostitutes!
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Good read. Conundrum indeed.
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I had a good discussion with a friend who’s still in the service today, he is a one star.  He said they believe the exercise was meant to show how quickly China could do an invasion and he said it was impressive.  He mentioned most of the civilian ferry’s were not in the area for this exercise. He also mentioned that they might not need the ferry’s because China might not feel the need to leave Taiwan intact.  He had a theory where China utterly destroys Taiwan and immediately moves on from it to the next objective.  This would require a lot less resources and man power than trying to invade and pacify the population. Shock and awe to install fear into the world and make their next fight easier.  

I myself wrote on here dozens of pages ago on how China could do it.  Only time will tell what will happen.  But the frequency of events around the world seems to be accelerating.


One last thing.  I heard from a different source today that China informed Washington that Iran is their red line and we better not cross it.  I found that very interesting.
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I had a good discussion with a friend who’s still in the service today, he is a one star.  He said they believe the exercise was meant to show how quickly China could do an invasion and he said it was impressive.  He mentioned most of the civilian ferry’s were not in the area for this exercise. He also mentioned that they might not need the ferry’s because China might not feel the need to leave Taiwan intact.  He had a theory where China utterly destroys Taiwan and immediately moves on from it to the next objective.  This would require a lot less resources and man power than trying to invade and pacify the population. Shock and awe to install fear into the world and make their next fight easier.  

I myself wrote on here dozens of pages ago on how China could do it.  Only time will tell what will happen.  But the frequency of events around the world seems to be accelerating.


One last thing.  I heard from a different source today that China informed Washington that Iran is their red line and we better not cross it.  I found that very interesting.
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and I wrote here in GD about China and Iran eg strikes inside Iran like their nuclear sites, oil and Tehran
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I got one for you as well that you can add to your "trophy room!"



(Bear in mind that the above is not a US gov't statement or published conclusion.)






This one is for you originally published two years ago:
Chinese Launch Assault Craft from Civilian Car Ferries in Mass Amphibious Invasion Drill, Satellite Photos Show
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Those are some big ships. The heli-pad looks like it could do two Chinooks with room for a container of prostitutes!
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and I wrote here in GD about China and Iran eg strikes inside Iran like their nuclear sites, oil and Tehran
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Yep you did.
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
I had a good discussion with a friend who’s still in the service today, he is a one star.  He said they believe the exercise was meant to show how quickly China could do an invasion and he said it was impressive.  He mentioned most of the civilian ferry’s were not in the area for this exercise. He also mentioned that they might not need the ferry’s because China might not feel the need to leave Taiwan intact.  He had a theory where China utterly destroys Taiwan and immediately moves on from it to the next objective.  This would require a lot less resources and man power than trying to invade and pacify the population. Shock and awe to install fear into the world and make their next fight easier.  

I myself wrote on here dozens of pages ago on how China could do it.  Only time will tell what will happen.  But the frequency of events around the world seems to be accelerating.


One last thing.  I heard from a different source today that China informed Washington that Iran is their red line and we better not cross it.  I found that very interesting.
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What kind of red line?  Like, no US assistance to strikes within Iran, no strikes by US aircraft, no interference with Iranian-flagged vessels?  Any of those?  None of them?

Interesting.  I wouldn't have thought it that important to the PRC.
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Got a press release from DOD that concerns the Middle East, but as always affects the biggest hot spots as well:
Statement by Pentagon Press Secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder on the Deployment of a THAAD Battery to Israel
At the direction of the President, Secretary Austin authorized the deployment of a Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) battery and associated crew of U.S. military personnel to Israel to help bolster Israel's air defenses following Iran's unprecedented attacks against Israel on April 13 and again on October 1. The THAAD Battery will augment Israel's integrated air defense system. This action underscores the United States' ironclad commitment to the defense of Israel, and to defend Americans in Israel, from any further ballistic missile attacks by Iran. It is part of the broader adjustments the U.S. military has made in recent months, to support the defense of Israel and protect Americans from attacks by Iran and Iranian-aligned militias.

This is not the first time the United States has deployed a THAAD battery to the region. The President directed the military to deploy a THAAD battery to the Middle East last year following the October 7th attacks to defend American troops and interests in the region. The United States previously deployed a THAAD battery to Israel in 2019 for training and an integrated air defense exercise.
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Let me see if I can find a news video report that doesn't suck.

This one partially sucks, but I wanted to find a story about the Hezbollah missile apparently going undetected into Israel proper:
U.S. sending powerful defense system to Israel, deepening its involvement in the conflict
video is at the top of the webpage.
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What kind of red line?  Like, no US assistance to strikes within Iran, no strikes by US aircraft, no interference with Iranian-flagged vessels?  Any of those?  None of them?

Interesting.  I wouldn't have thought it that important to the PRC.
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As Carmel pointed out in the post above yours the redline appears to be attacks on oil infrastructure and nuclear sites.  China likes its cheap Iranian oil.  Also China has been working closely with Iran in several areas. Iran is also a BRICS nations.
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
I had a good discussion with a friend who's still in the service today, he is a one star.  He said they believe the exercise was meant to show how quickly China could do an invasion and he said it was impressive.  He mentioned most of the civilian ferry's were not in the area for this exercise. He also mentioned that they might not need the ferry's because China might not feel the need to leave Taiwan intact.  He had a theory where China utterly destroys Taiwan and immediately moves on from it to the next objective.  This would require a lot less resources and man power than trying to invade and pacify the population. Shock and awe to install fear into the world and make their next fight easier.  

I myself wrote on here dozens of pages ago on how China could do it.  Only time will tell what will happen.  But the frequency of events around the world seems to be accelerating.


One last thing.  I heard from a different source today that China informed Washington that Iran is their red line and we better not cross it.  I found that very interesting.
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A while ago Carmel posted a story about one of the type 075 landing ships "beaching" itself on a shoal for the roll off. These ferry's from the above story, and another one that GoldenMead posted not too long ago, are Ocean going, like to the Philippines Ocean going. (I don't think they'll be able to create a "umbrella" for a sail to Okinawa.)

The question has always been "just Taiwan" or the entire 9-Dash Line?

Taiwan is probably the most difficult part of a basic equation that doesn't invovle Xi's status or Okinawa.
My position has always been attacking Taiwan in any shape way or form is going to make taking the entire 9-Dash line harder. It's a resource and a Time suck that will probably harden the rest of the countries involved in the 9-Dash Line controversy. The cheapest way is to just blockade Taiwan and go for the rest of it. Just an opinion.

And before we get to the chips, blah blah blah, the PRC still seems to be making enough progress just adding development after development with x86 architecture. It's just a matter of time and money, if the PRC is given both, where Taiwanese chips would be a "nice" to have, but not a "requirement" to have.

That leave us with the question of Xi and Okinawa.

Xi is going to be retired whether he wins or loses. No one in the CCP is going to allow another Mao type character for long. If Xi's plans, whatever they are go off without a hitch, he's a hero and has earned his time off! If anything that resembles defeat, loss, loss of face etc., Xi is a renegade and will be likened to the Gang of Four back in the mid-'70s.

Another point is that any military action by China that looks like an attack or a unjustified attack, whatever words you'd like to use here, will definitely change the PRC's reputation as "a Peace-loving country that only wants to help other countries." It will make the Sino-philes job impossible, and the World will probably line up against it, yes, even Cambodia. The PRC has mostly fair-weather friends.

As far as Okinawa goes, it's the thorn in the side of any and all plans regarding the region. Will the PRC attack it? Will the US minimally defend or just lick it wounds?

If the PRC ignores Okinawa, they ignore their hold on the South China Sea or they have to hope for a Kamala Harris Presidency.

I will say this. If Al Gore would've won the election in 2000, he would've just done what Clinton did before him: hit empty trucks and powdered milk factories.

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and I wrote here in GD about China and Iran eg strikes inside Iran like their nuclear sites, oil and Tehran
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Originally Posted By Wineraner:


What kind of red line?  Like, no US assistance to strikes within Iran, no strikes by US aircraft, no interference with Iranian-flagged vessels?  Any of those?  None of them?

Interesting.  I wouldn't have thought it that important to the PRC.
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As Carmel pointed out in the post above yours the redline appears to be attacks on oil infrastructure and nuclear sites.  China likes its cheap Iranian oil.  Also China has been working closely with Iran in several areas. Iran is also a BRICS nations.
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It's an interesting bit of extortion, that's for sure.

What can they threaten? Releasing more information on Biden and his family? He's not running anymore.
More "hacks" of our system? They're going to have to shut down our country in this manner to make it hurt, but anything like that would end trade with the US at a minimum. Whatever it is they're going to do, is the PRC ready for that consequence?

The only thing they can "threaten" with this extortion is what then? Perhaps the PRC makes the point that however the US militarily attacks Iran, that's what will happen with Taiwan?

This is possible! However, the problem then becomes the same problem as before where in attacking an innocent country will harden the resovle of the PRC's enemies.

But, I'm getting closer and closer going down the "rabbit hole" where a nuclear exchange is always at the end of it all.


ETA: I made up a new word: extorsion. It's the process of not being able to spell simple words. Use it in a sentence today!
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It's an interesting bit of extorsion, that's for sure.

What can they threaten? Releasing more information on Biden and his family? He's not running anymore.
More "hacks" of our system? They're going to have to shut down our country in this manner to make it hurt, but anything like that would end trade with the US at a minimum. Whatever it is they're going to do, is the PRC ready for that consequence?

The only thing they can "threaten" with this extortion is what then? Perhaps the PRC makes the point that however the US militarily attacks Iran, that's what will happen with Taiwan?

This is possible! However, the problem then becomes the same problem as before where in attacking an innocent country will harden the resovle of the PRC's enemies.

But, I'm getting closer and closer going down the "rabbit hole" where a nuclear exchange is always at the end of it all.
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Team Biden is probably not gonna care about much after the election but they’ve been walking g on eggshells most of this election season.
That’s why I wondered about timing given only 3 weeks until the election
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Team Biden is probably not gonna care about much after the election but they've been walking g on eggshells most of this election season.
That's why I wondered about timing given only 3 weeks until the election
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This is probably what the PRC is waiting for. Harris has no sense of purpose other than to keep and maintain power for herself and those that front her. That means her interests and their interests only align with the US when she and they can keep and maintain power their power even if at the cost of the US in part. Obvisously surrendering the whole of it is out of the question because Harris and those that front her have no guarantees of anything. But a surrender in part is definitly in the cards with such people as long as they remain in control.
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Cruising around on X and on other forums seeing a lot of people talking about Chinas redline over Iran. Found this graphic that’s posted below.  I think we are at an infliction point in history. We are going to see some decisions made by nation states that will reshape the world.  People didn’t think Putin would invade Ukraine and that the price he was going to pay would be to high.  But he invaded regardless and has doubled down at every turn.  What one person views as idiotic another views as logic.

I recently read a short fiction book. It was based on current events and in it America’s enemies, China, Russia, Iran and North Korea decided it was their turn in History. In the book they believed America was so weak because it didn’t have a real president in charge.  So they carried out a massive first strike on America. It was so devastating and complete that NATO countries didn’t respond cause America as they knew her was gone. At first I was like that would never happen. But after a minute I knew thinking like that was foolish. Cause it could happen regardless how low of odds of it happening.  Sometimes people want to watch the world burn.

But that’s enough speculation for a while by me.


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Score Card!!
This picks up on the same pattern as Joint Sword 2024A, but they're on steroids from May:
Taiwan tracks record 153 Chinese military aircraft, 26 ships during PLA drills
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 153 Chinese military aircraft, 14 naval vessels, and 12 official ships around Taiwan between 5 a.m. on Monday (Oct. 14) and 6 a.m. on Tuesday.

Of the 153 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 111 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line and entered the nation's northern, western, southwestern, and eastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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China at 5 a.m. on Monday announced the large-scale "Joint Sword-2024B" military drills around Taiwan as a warning against "separatist acts" following President Lai Ching-te's (   ) National Day speech. Thirteen hours later, the PLA said the drills had been "successfully completed."

The MND said it changed its period of tracking Chinese military activity from 5 a.m. on Oct. 14 to 6 a.m. on Oct. 15 to coincide with the PLA exercises. It noted that some vessels and aircraft detected were also included in Monday's PLA activity report.

"Any drills without prior warning will cause great disturbance to peace and stability in the entire region," Premier Cho Jung-tai (   ) said in Taipei, according to Reuters. "China's drills not only affect Taiwan's neighborhood but also seriously affect the entire international navigational rights and air and sea space, so attracted the attention of other countries."

Meanwhile, the US Department of Defense called the PLA drills "irresponsible, disproportionate, and destabilizing" in a statement on Monday.
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I think June at just over 600 aircraft for that month which was the highest amount...ever. We're definitely over 300 aircraft now. Some of these areas must be aircraft from the Liaoning aircraft carrier. This reporting period looks much more like strike packages than a blockade.
The longest period an area was open was 15 hours at area 2, and those aircraft were from the airbases on the coast.


Check this story out:
Taiwan ex-general loses 75% of pension for 5 years after standing for China anthem
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Retired Taiwanese Major General Tsang You-hsia (   ) will lose 75% of his monthly pension for five years after it was revealed he stood for China's national anthem during a meeting in Hong Kong, the Ministry of National Defense (MND) said Tuesday (Oct. 15).

The MND said Tsang's attendance at the event organized by a pro-unification group violated Taiwan's national dignity under the Act Governing Relations Between the People of the Taiwan Area and the Mainland Area.
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Last week's meeting with the MND, the National Security Bureau (NSB), the Ministry of Interior, the Ministry of Justice, and the Mainland Affairs Council reviewed the evidence, including witness testimony and an interview with Tsang, the Liberty Times reported.

The measure will be retroactive to Aug. 20, the day of the Hong Kong meeting. The former general must also hand over several military medals and decorations.

Tsang also served as the head of the Huang Fu-hsing Chapter, a Kuomintang (KMT) branch dominated by veterans.
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Another KMT partisan officer, so no real surprise.

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And while Taiwan cracks down on military officers with mixed allegiances, the PRC goes after Taiwanese civilians:
Oct 14 (Reuters) - China said on Monday it would punish and sanction Taiwanese businessman Robert Tsao and lawmaker Puma Shen for alleged criminal and pro-Taiwan independence activities.
In a statement, the Taiwan Affairs Office said the "Black Bear Academy" that both men were associated with was seeking to incite separatism that would endanger cross-strait ties.

Tsao is one of Taiwan's richest men who pledged two years ago to provide millions to two civilian defence training programmes, including the Black Bear Academy. Shen, a lawmaker with the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), helps run Black Bear Academy training.

The State Council-level Taiwan Affairs Office said it would include Tsao and Shen on a list of "Taiwan independence" diehards and impose sanctions on them and the academy.

The move comes as China on Monday launched fresh military drills around the democratically governed island that China claims as its own. Beijing said the drills were a warning against "separatist acts of Taiwan independence forces" while denouncing Taiwan leader Lai Ching-te of the DPP.

"This is one of China's many acts of intimidation against Taiwan, including economic coercion, military threats...," a DPP spokesperson said in a statement to Reuters.
"These irrational acts will only further hurt the feelings of the Taiwanese people and damage cross-strait relations."

Tsao and Shen would be barred from travelling to China, Hong Kong and Macau, the statement added, while all affiliated enterprises and businesses linked to the pair would not be allowed to "seek profit" in China.

"The Black Bear Academy with the support of the DPP authorities and external interference forces, has brazenly cultivated violent Taiwan independence elements and openly engaged in "Taiwan independence" separatist activities under the guise of lectures, training, outdoor drills," the statement read, citing spokesman Chen Binhua.

Shen, speaking to reporters, described this as a provocation from China, rather than the other way round, and said it reflected Beijing's great sensitivity towards any civilian defence initiatives in Taiwan.
"They will definitely use the threat of (economic) sanctions to conduct further grey zone warfare against Taiwan," he said.

But to be fair to the CCP/PRC, the Democrats here would go after this guy as well:
Tsao is the founder and former chairman of chip maker United Microelectronics Corp (2303.TW), and has said he hoped his programmes would help train millions of "civilian warriors" through a mix of survival, military and counter surveillance and technology courses.

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This is a very interesting story when juxtaposed to the recently story of the UK gov't asking former President Tsai not to visit the UK because of the effect it might have on an upcoming visit by the new Englishman who's turn it is to be Prime Minister.

Taiwan is expected to have access to low earth orbit satellite internet service by the end of the month, a step the government says is crucial in case a Chinese attack cripples the island's communications.

The forthcoming service is via a contract between Taiwan's main telecoms company, Chunghwa, and a UK-European company, Eutelsat OneWeb, signed last year, and marks a new milestone in Taiwan's efforts to address technological vulnerabilities, particularly its internet access, after attempts to get access to Elon Musk's Starlink service collapsed.

Chunghwa co-president Alex Chien said 24-hour coverage was expected by the end of the month, with commercial access as soon as sufficient bandwidth was reached.

Taiwan is under the threat of attack or invasion by China, which claims historical sovereignty over Taiwan and has vowed to annex it, by military force if necessary. In the meantime it is under a near constant barrage of cyber-attacks, and has had some of its 15 undersea cables connecting it and its outer islands to the world cut multiple times, usually by accidental anchor snags from passing ships.

In response, it has pledged to build its own satellite network, pointing to the crucial utility of reliable networks in conflicts like Ukraine, where the armed forces largely rely on Musk's Starlink, the world's dominant low earth orbit (LEO) satellite internet provider.
We covered some of the earlier controversy with Starlink last year. This article has a recap:
Starlink is not available in Taiwan after negotiations reportedly fell apart over Taiwan's requirement that a local entity have a majority share of any joint venture established.

There are also concerns among Taiwanese officials that Musk's business interests in China and his past remarks on Beijing's claim over Taiwan could affect the reliability of Starlink supply in the event of a conflict.

Musk's largest Tesla factory is in China, and in 2023 he drew reproach from Taiwanese officials after he said Taiwan was an integral part of China, akin to Hawaii and the US. It came a few months after he suggested the conflict between China and Taiwan could be resolved if Taiwan just ceded some control to Beijing.

"If the US Department of Defense requires it, Starlink should be able to support Taiwan," said Dr Shen Ming-Shih, the director of the national security division at Taiwan's government-backed thinktank, the Institute for National Defense and Security Research.

"However, if Starlink is unwilling to provide it for considering the Chinese market, Taiwan must have a contingency plan."

Now let's grab another paragraph with "UK" in it:
"The low-orbit satellites assisted by the UK at least make up for Taiwan's current needs, but they may still be interfered with or interrupted," he said. "It is important to pursue additional systems, such as undersea cables, low-orbit satellites from other countries, etc."
Which is the bigger thorn in the PRC's side: Taiwan's ability to maintain international communications with the help of the UK or a former President of Taiwan visiting the UK? The Sun continues to set on the English Empire is the correct answer.

Here's how the article defines Low Earth Orbit (LEO) systems:
LEO satellites orbit between 200km and 2,000km above the Earth, often used for communications, sending signals to receiver terminals on the ground. More than half of the thousands of LEO satellites currently active are Starlink. OneWeb, initially a British company before it merged with Eurotel, has launched just a few hundred, the New York Times reported in March.

ETA: I forgot to add this story!!!!!!!!!:
UK urges China to exercise restraint after military drill around Taiwan
Here's the sub-heading:
Foreign office warns exercises 'increase tensions and risk dangerous escalation in the Taiwan Strait'
Things get softer after this:
China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) announced on Monday at 5 a.m. that it would hold the "Joint Sword-2024B" military exercises around Taiwan. In response, the UK's Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) issued a statement seeking to de-escalate the situation after Beijing's military actions.

In the statement, the FCDO expressed its concern about the PLA drills around Taiwan and warned they "increase tensions and risk dangerous escalation in the Taiwan Strait." The office reiterated the UK's policy of supporting peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait, which it said is "of critical importance to global prosperity."
This office, "Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, is responsible for anti- weapons proliferation, consular services and helping British companies expand export opportunities. It's up there in the pantheon, but when there was an Empire, the FCO (as it existed back then) was a huge deal. I don't want to insult the current head of this Office, but this is more an obligatory press release than a substantive statement regarding UK policies and intentions.

The Taiwanese response is this:
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) thanked the UK government for continuing to closely monitor the situation in the Taiwan Strait and for "clearly stating the importance of peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait to the world." The ministry said Taiwan is a responsible member of the international community and will continue to work with like-minded partners to "defend the rules-based international order."

It also expressed hope that democratic countries around the world will "unite in calling on China to return to rationality and restraint, and stop threatening Taiwan and unilaterally escalating regional tensions."
Press releases are easy!!



I'm always fascinated by the history of companys. Eutelsat Oneweb has a fascinating story. In the beginning...google, Musk and Oneweb all were invovled in this project.
Here's the wiki page in case you're bored one day:
Eutelsat OneWeb

Link Posted: 10/15/2024 10:39:49 PM EDT
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Another great chart!!!!
Maybe one day, they'll start identifying the aircraft involved.
Link Posted: 10/15/2024 10:51:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/15/2024 10:57:44 PM EDT
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This one is a big deal behind a paywall!! You'd think that these communists would allow people to read their diatribes for free!!!
Here's what I could get on "Reader View":
Beijing could elaborate law for 'non-peaceful' Taiwan reunification

A former US envoy and Taiwanese lawmaker have warned that Beijing could delve into further detail regarding mainland China's law enabling it to act towards "non-peaceful" reunification with Taiwan.

Next year Beijing could use the 20th anniversary of its Anti-Secession Law to clarify how "non-peaceful means" may be taken against Taiwan, according to Taipei City councillor Vincent Chao.

Chao delivered his cautionary remarks at the launch of a report assessing the legal implications of the law by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank, on Tuesday
As former President Tsai reminded all during the recent election period, what the Taiwanese are voting for is either the status quo or to become another Hong Kong. The promulgation of these sorts of laws turn Taiwan into Hong Kong.
Link Posted: 10/15/2024 10:59:09 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/15/2024 11:04:49 PM EDT
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I don't think I'll stay awake tonight waiting for a proper score card with a flight tracker, so here's the MND release from their website. Perhaps GoldenMead will use his magic to produce one!!!!
2024/10/16 PLA activities in the waters and airspace around Taiwan
1. Date
6 to 6 a.m. (UTC+8) Tuesday to Wednesday, Oct. 15-16

2. PLA activities
22 PLA aircraft and 5 PLAN vessels operating around Taiwan were detected up until 6 a.m. (UTC+8) today. 13 of the aircraft crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait and entered Taiwan's northern and southwestern ADIZ. ROC Armed Forces have monitored the situation and employed CAP aircraft, Navy vessels, and coastal missile systems in response to the detected activities.
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The National Security Bureau of Taiwan has issued a...what do you call it when the secret squirrel stuff in the shadows makes an announcement!
China increases hybrid tactics to coerce Taiwan: National Security Bureau
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   China has ramped up its hybrid tactics to pressure Taiwan, according to the National Security Bureau (NSB).

Beijing has also expanded its cyber warfare capabilities, the NSB said on Tuesday (Oct. 15). It has intensified its use of online disinformation, such as employing "internet trolls," fake accounts, and AI technology, per CNA.

China has also distorted the interpretation of UN General Assembly Resolution 2758 by linking it with the "one China" principle to claim control of Taiwan and undermine its international participation. To suppress the "Taiwan independence" sentiment, Beijing introduced 22 measures in June to punish those advocating it.

Suspects can be tried in absentia and even sentenced to death. The measures are an attempt to expand China's jurisdiction over Taiwan.
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The report pointed out that China's efforts to extend its presence to the East and South China Seas have triggered responses from the international community, such as the US's decision to establish an Indo-Pacific resilience partnership with allies and partners from the region and Europe.
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China's Joint Sword 2024B drills on Monday (Oct. 14) were designed to demonstrate its deterrent power, the NSB said. It was the first time that its coast guard ships were deployed in joint readiness patrols.
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President Lai Ching-te (   ) has pledged to bolster national defense and protect the well-being of the Taiwanese under his Four Pillars of Peace action plan. Lai said three new committees have been established to address Taiwan's global challenges, including climate change and authoritarian expansion: the National Climate Change Committee, Healthy Taiwan Promotion Committee, and Whole-of-Society Defense Resilience Committee.
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The Ministry of National Defense will soon conduct three major exercises to strengthen combat readiness and joint operations capabilities. The Army's Chang Tai No. 19 exercise, the Navy's Hai Chiang Exercise, and the Air Force's Tianlong Exercise are all scheduled to last from late October to early November.
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Link Posted: 10/15/2024 11:05:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
This one is a big deal behind a paywall!! You'd think that these communists would allow people to read their diatribes for free!!!
Here's what I could get on "Reader View":

As former President Tsai reminded all during the recent election period, what the Taiwanese are voting for is either the status quo or to become another Hong Kong. The promulgation of these sorts of laws turn Taiwan into Hong Kong.
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Archive link pass the pay wall.  https://archive.ph/FOzh1

Also for anyone who wants to know to get pass most paywalls go to https://archive.ph/ enter the url and read your article.


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Link Posted: 10/15/2024 11:16:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
I don't think I'll stay awake tonight waiting for a proper score card with a flight tracker, so here's the MND release from their website. Perhaps GoldenMead will use his magic to produce one!!!!
2024/10/16 PLA activities in the waters and airspace around Taiwan

The National Security Bureau of Taiwan has issued a...what do you call it when the secret squirrel stuff in the shadows makes an announcement!
China increases hybrid tactics to coerce Taiwan: National Security Bureau





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Get some Zzzzz I’m probably turning in soon myself
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