Posted: 2/20/2026 3:34:42 PM EDT
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I have several long guns that I am considering as hosts to either binary triggers or FRTs. The list is long. They are: S&W 15-22 Ruger 10/22 AKM 7.62 AK74 .223 AK74 5.45 AR 5.56 AR .300 BO I have two questions. What works best and which more from experience did you enjoy most? Given the.22s are much cheaper, those are most what I’m interested in. Thanks for any help. |
| The frt is far superior when it comes to wasting ammo. After shooting targets with both, I quickly realize I still only hit the targets once when shooting at 100 yards with these triggers. So either I need to add a better muzzle brake or I need to waste a bunch more ammo getting used to it, or I more realistically I should just treat it as a fun toy and use it extremely sparingly. |
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Quoted: I have several long guns that I am considering as hosts to either binary triggers or FRTs. The list is long. They are: S&W 15-22 Ruger 10/22 AKM 7.62 AK74 .223 AK74 5.45 AR 5.56 AR .300 BO I have two questions. What works best and which more from experience did you enjoy most? Given the.22s are much cheaper, those are most what I'm interested in. Thanks for any help.  No FRT options exist for the 15-22 or 10/22 as of today, only binary. FRT'S for both will probably come at some point. The 10/22 FRT'S I've seen are sketchy and I think deceptively represented. I wouldn't jump until one gets proven to work by someone other than the person selling it... AK FRT'S are still in infancy as well. A few 2 postion(safe/FRT ONLY) are out there but I have no experience with any of them. A few rather new 3 position(safe,semi,FRT) are just hitting the market and again I don't know much about these other than they exist. Binary exist for all of these and may be the better "easy button" option. For AR, the FRT world is wide open! I wouldn't even consider binary for either cartridge. As for what FRT is best, matter of opinion and the primary metric being used... Head over the the "rate of fire triggers" sub forum, get a full beverage and start reading would be my suggestion. |
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Quoted: I have no use for a Binary trigger. Why would I want a shot fired when I release the trigger? Seems like an accident waiting to happen. I could see in very specific competition settings that being beneficial. That said FRT is way better. But also just lead slinging for grins. |
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Quoted: I have no use for a Binary trigger. Why would I want a shot fired when I release the trigger? Seems like an accident waiting to happen. It increases the fire rate. A NFA 86 ban workaround before FRTs were a thing. Anybody that keeps the trigger pulled back while pointing the gun somewhere unsafe is a idiot that's going to eventually have a ND while doing something else stupid one day without a binary involved. Anybody using a binary for anything other than a range toy or such is a moron as well. With that said. FRTs are much better than a binary. |
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FRT. I don't bother to shoot my Franklin Binary anymore. The FRT is superior in virtually every way a trigger can be superior. There is one niche case in which the binary retains some utility: AR22s. They're less complicated than an FRT because they don't need a trip to make them work, and an AR22 has a short enough cycling time that you probably won't be able to "outrun" the action, that is to release the trigger before the action has cycled. In comparison, it's quite easy to outrun the action in a centerfire gun, particularly with rifle length gas. |
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Quoted: Given your list,binary will be the best option for most of it. I dont like binary triggers myself...I do however enjoy many FRT'S No FRT options exist for the 15-22 or 10/22 as of today, only binary. FRT'S for both will probably come at some point. The 10/22 FRT'S I've seen are sketchy and I think deceptively represented. I wouldn't jump until one gets proven to work by someone other than the person selling it... AK FRT'S are still in infancy as well. A few 2 postion(safe/FRT ONLY) are out there but I have no experience with any of them. A few rather new 3 position(safe,semi,FRT) are just hitting the market and again I don't know much about these other than they exist. Binary exist for all of these and may be the better "easy button" option. For AR, the FRT world is wide open! I wouldn't even consider binary for either cartridge. As for what FRT is best, matter of opinion and the primary metric being used... Head over the the "rate of fire triggers" sub forum, get a full beverage and start reading would be my suggestion. Quoted: Quoted: I have several long guns that I am considering as hosts to either binary triggers or FRTs. The list is long. They are: S&W 15-22 Ruger 10/22 AKM 7.62 AK74 .223 AK74 5.45 AR 5.56 AR .300 BO I have two questions. What works best and which more from experience did you enjoy most? Given the.22s are much cheaper, those are most what I'm interested in. Thanks for any help. No FRT options exist for the 15-22 or 10/22 as of today, only binary. FRT'S for both will probably come at some point. The 10/22 FRT'S I've seen are sketchy and I think deceptively represented. I wouldn't jump until one gets proven to work by someone other than the person selling it... AK FRT'S are still in infancy as well. A few 2 postion(safe/FRT ONLY) are out there but I have no experience with any of them. A few rather new 3 position(safe,semi,FRT) are just hitting the market and again I don't know much about these other than they exist. Binary exist for all of these and may be the better "easy button" option. For AR, the FRT world is wide open! I wouldn't even consider binary for either cartridge. As for what FRT is best, matter of opinion and the primary metric being used... Head over the the "rate of fire triggers" sub forum, get a full beverage and start reading would be my suggestion. What he said. AK FRTs aren't there yet. Not like they are for centerfire AR15s. |
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Quoted: It increases the fire rate. A NFA 86 ban workaround before FRTs were a thing. Anybody that keeps the trigger pulled back while pointing the gun somewhere unsafe is a idiot that's going to eventually have a ND while doing something else stupid one day without a binary involved. Anybody using a binary for anything other than a range toy or such is a moron as well. With that said. FRTs are much better than a binary. Quoted: Quoted: I have no use for a Binary trigger. Why would I want a shot fired when I release the trigger? Seems like an accident waiting to happen. It increases the fire rate. A NFA 86 ban workaround before FRTs were a thing. Anybody that keeps the trigger pulled back while pointing the gun somewhere unsafe is a idiot that's going to eventually have a ND while doing something else stupid one day without a binary involved. Anybody using a binary for anything other than a range toy or such is a moron as well. With that said. FRTs are much better than a binary. I agree. Not saying you would trap the trigger and point the gun in a unsafe direction but the possibility of not wanting the 2nd bang is a thing. |
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Quoted: Suppressed subsonic 300 Blackout AR with an FRT is a lot of fun.. Why yes. Yes it is.  This is a Cornfire/SSA combo: " />But have you tried suppressed 458 SOCOM with an FRT? https://imgur.com/Gek7i3Y |
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OP, to nail down the answer to your question, the AS Designs ARC-Fire with a cut Geissele trigger is the best FRT on the market, and has a price tag to match ($250-280 plus the price of your trigger). Will get to test it out tomorrow evening. |
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Quoted: I have no use for a Binary trigger. Why would I want a shot fired when I release the trigger? Seems like an accident waiting to happen. Not all Binaries are equal. I have binary where release "trigger" can be deactivated by turning the safety on. Speaking of that, I need to test if it deactivates when turned back to semiauto... |
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Quoted: I have several long guns that I am considering as hosts to either binary triggers or FRTs. The list is long. They are: S&W 15-22 Ruger 10/22 AKM 7.62 AK74 .223 AK74 5.45 AR 5.56 AR .300 BO I have two questions. What works best and which more from experience did you enjoy most? Given the.22s are much cheaper, those are most what I’m interested in. Thanks for any help. I much prefer binary triggers as a "double tap" can give me 4 rounds as opposed to trying to get 3-5 rounds with an assisted reset approach Quoted: Quoted: I have no use for a Binary trigger. Why would I want a shot fired when I release the trigger? Seems like an accident waiting to happen. Not all Binaries are equal. I have binary where release "trigger" can be deactivated by turning the safety on. Speaking of that, I need to test if it deactivates when turned back to semiauto... Double taps are easier with a pull and release mechanism. Franklin Armory triggers can go from binary to regular after the pull |
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Quoted: What’s a “cut” trigger? The ARC-Fire and Hoffman style FRTs are levers that replace your safety/selector. The trigger itself needs a small modification at the rear of the shoe in order to interface with the selector, like this Geissele:  " />The modification is easy to do yourself. You just need to round the left corner a tiny amount (sensitive dimension) and take away a big scoop from the right corner (not sensitive). You can use a jig to show you where to cut: https://deeznutztactical.com/product/trigger-jig/ |
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Quoted: I have no use for a Binary trigger. Why would I want a shot fired when I release the trigger? Seems like an accident waiting to happen. Put it on safe before you release the trigger? Point it in a safe direction? Don't be retarded? All of these simple solutions prevent an accident. Even if you just keep it in a safe direction and forget every other while of firearm safety you will probably be fine. I've found FRT works better with a 22LR AR. Everthing else is super safety approved. |
| Binaries are obsolete with FRTs now available. An AK74 or RPK with an FRT is a very fun experience (I have both). The MP5 with FRT is also a blast. Having super safeties in several ARs I can say they run far better than any binary. Bottom line -I have binaries for ARs and HK guns and none get used anymore. |
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Quoted: How is there no FRT for the 10/22 platform yet?! Given its popularity and ammo cost I would think there are more customers for one than AR’s or anything else… Pretty amazing there hasn't been a successful one yet. A successful, durable design could sell for a very healthy price. |
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Quoted: How is there no FRT for the 10/22 platform yet?! Given its popularity and ammo cost I would think there are more customers for one than AR’s or anything else… I don't think ammo cost was a consideration. When the SHTF I prolly won't be defending myself/family with a gd 10/22 platform rifle |
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Quoted: I don't think ammo cost was a consideration. When the SHTF I prolly won't be defending myself/family with a gd 10/22 platform rifle Quoted: Quoted: How is there no FRT for the 10/22 platform yet?! Given its popularity and ammo cost I would think there are more customers for one than AR’s or anything else… I don't think ammo cost was a consideration. When the SHTF I prolly won't be defending myself/family with a gd 10/22 platform rifle He didn't suggest that it would be a go-to SHTF rifle... |
Be wary of 10/22 FRT videos like this... 10/22 FRT Testing Video Look closely at the way he's holding it, thats nothing more than well practiced bump fire 
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Quoted: He didn't suggest that it would be a go-to SHTF rifle... Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How is there no FRT for the 10/22 platform yet?! Given its popularity and ammo cost I would think there are more customers for one than AR’s or anything else… I don't think ammo cost was a consideration. When the SHTF I prolly won't be defending myself/family with a gd 10/22 platform rifle He didn't suggest that it would be a go-to SHTF rifle... Why develop a FRT for a AR15 1st..? Regardless of purpose of use. I'm gonna take a WAG and say there are moar gd ar platform rifles owned by individuals across the country than 10/22s I'm sure the BCG for a 10/22 brings its own set of problems. Tippman would sell a ton of M4/22s with some coordination. |
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Quoted: I have several long guns that I am considering as hosts to either binary triggers or FRTs. The list is long. They are: S&W 15-22 Ruger 10/22 AKM 7.62 AK74 .223 AK74 5.45 AR 5.56 AR .300 BO I have two questions. What works best and which more from experience did you enjoy most? Given the.22s are much cheaper, those are most what I’m interested in. Thanks for any help. Tonto, I've used both. The AR platforms are easy to install either the FRT or the Binary. My favorite is an AR with a CMMG 22 conversion. Inexpensive blasting! I('ve lots of experience with 10/22's but none with these triggers. The AK's likewise the AR's, simple to install. There a couple different outfits making these FRT's, one is the Arizona Regulator. The cyclic rate on that seems faster to me than a standard M16. It was super easy to get three/four round bursts on demand easily. The Franklin trigger. Don't remember if you're a shotgunner. in that game, trap, skeet, sporting clays release triggers are still a "thing". Awkward until you get used to it. Yeah. It requires some attention to safety. So I didn't find the adjustment to a bang going back AND forward all that difficult to master. Double taps were super easy and better controlled (more accurate) than FA guns I've shot, trying for double taps on multiple targets. It's sad that those Colt LMG uppers are long gone and expensive when you do find one. Woulda-coulda-shoulda...story of my life, LOL. Parts can however, be assembled into in reasonable facsimile of one with a heavy barrel, bipod, hydraulic/or reasonable substitute with a magpul drum. Not a SAW< but Close, Ward....Close 
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Quoted: What's the state of things regarding FRTs? There's quite a few out there If you're asking about the legality, the basic state of things is that FRTs are federally legal under Garland v Cargill, a SCOTUS case that came out of the 2017 "Bump stock ban." FRTs are not machine guns, and the ATF cannot regulate them as machine guns. A baker's dozen or so states have state level bans on them, however. On the technical side, there are several aspects that go into the pros and cons of each option. Here are the ones I do own and have tested. Note that these are all for standard AR15s, not piston derivatives, or MP5 clones. When I mention an H2 or H3 buffer, that's an aluminum housing that contains 2 or 3 Tungsten buffer weights that can slide within the body. The Rare Breed FRT15-L3 is probably the simplest, and legally strongest one to get. It's 450 bucks. It has a 3 position selector, giving you Safe, Semi auto, and FRT modes, much like an M16. Rare Breed has an explicit agreement with the Feds that their trigger is NOT a machine gun. It drops into most AR lowers, with no filing or cutting of the fire control components needed. It will run with an H3 buffer in most guns. It is not sensitive to slight variations in how the trigger holes are drilled, or other dimensions in AR receivers that were never intended to be critical dimensions. This company also sues the other companies, and does the bidding of Daddy ATF. The Partisan Disruptor is extremely similar to the Rare Breed. It basically functions the same way for 250-350 bucks, and they are based gigachads in comparison to Rare Breed. This one will work in your "high shelf" lowers. An H2 or H3 buffer is required. They've had a couple of stumbles out of the gate with quality control, but they are exceptionally responsive to the customers, and are fighting the good fight for our rights. I strongly recommend this trigger. The Hoffman Super Safety is the cheapest AR FRT. It's between 50 and 150 bucks, made by many different companies. It gives you a push button safety, with 3 positions from left to right: Safe, FRT, and Semi. It requires a modified trigger, which you can do yourself or buy for low cost. It works well, and is the least sensitive to buffer weight of all the FRTs I have tested, though it's probably a good idea to throw an H2 or H3 in there just to be sure. Many different triggers can be modified to be used with the Hoffman, including the excellent and inexpensive Larue MBT 2 stage. The Atrius Forced Reset Selector is about 200 bucks, and it works well after you modify your USGI trigger. We can go into how that's done in more detail later, but the upshot is that it's fairly inexpensive, has a 3 position lever selector, and works fairly well if you know what you're doing. You will need an H2 or H3 buffer. It can be paired with the Rise Armament Rave 140, which is a single stage cassette style trigger. This comination works exceptionally well in 22 LR builds. The Cornfire MARC is about 200 bucks, it's basically the same as an Atrius, but it was advertised initially to work with an unmodified Geissele SSA and Larue MBT 2 stage triggers. This is no longer true. But it CAN work with a Geissele trigger. I say CAN work, because I bought two of them, and they dropped right into two of my lowers that have Geissele triggers, and they do run properly. However, I tried installing one of them into a third lower with a Geissele, and it did not work. Cornfire no longer advertises that it will drop in and run with a Geissele, and has published a guide on how to make it work with the MBT 2 stage. I have not attempted this yet. You will need an H2 or H3 buffer, and if using a Geissele or MBT you will need a lever blocker, which I can explain later. The Arizona Regulator 2 position: 240 bucks, it's a little module that drops right into your gun and turns it into an FRT gun, with no standard semi auto mode. You can get them for USGI triggers, for the Larue MBT 2 stage, and for certain Geissele triggers, depending on when your trigger was manufactured. You will need an H2 or H3 (he recommends H3) buffer. The Arizona Regulator 3 position: 290 bucks. It comes with a USGI style fire control group, as well as a regulator module. It's a 3 position lever selector. It works extremely well, and has been analyzed by firearms law experts on this site to confirm its legality. The semi auto trigger pull is poor, but the design works extremely well. Some improved quality mil spec triggers can be made to work with this one. The AS Designs ARC-Fire: This may be the best of the bunch. It's 250 bucks, when in stock. It has an ambidextrous 3 position lever selector. It comes with a USGI style trigger (only the trigger, you supply the disconnector and hammer), and it does not rely on a spring like the Atrius and Cornfire to get the trip lever in position. In stock configuration, the trigger pull is “good.” It does not have trigger slap in semi auto mode. With a Geissele cut trigger, it is the best FRT on the market. I recommend buying the 30 dollar upgrade "mil spec" selector levers. In March, they are coming out with a Version 2, which will have the option for a 0/45/90 degree selector, rather than the standard 0/90/180. |
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I’ve had multiple binary triggers. I finally got rid of them when I realized that if you wanted a gun to sound like a machine gun, you have to pull the trigger really fast. The same thing you do when you don’t have a binary installed. FRTs for 22s are not perfected yet, as others have said, so a binary would be your only option if want something right now. If you ever get a chance to shoot binary and FRT together you would see why the obvious choice is FRT. To me, a FRT in a MP5 clone is indistinguishable from a full auto gun. Way more fun than a binary. You can put a FRT (Super Safety) in an AR for $70. You may have to change your buffer. The price goes up from there. List price for a binary for a AR is probably close to $300 but they’ve been offered way cheaper since FRTs hit the market. |
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Quoted: I’ve had multiple binary triggers. I finally got rid of them when I realized that if you wanted a gun to sound like a machine gun, you have to pull the trigger really fast. The same thing you do when you don’t have a binary installed. FRTs for 22s are not perfected yet, as others have said, so a binary would be your only option if want something right now. If you ever get a chance to shoot binary and FRT together you would see why the obvious choice is FRT. To me, a FRT in a MP5 clone is indistinguishable from a full auto gun. Way more fun than a binary. For a moment there I was imagining an FRT that fired on the pull and the reset... |
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Quoted: If you're asking about the legality, the basic state of things is that FRTs are federally legal under Garland v Cargill, a SCOTUS case that came out of the 2017 "Bump stock ban." FRTs are not machine guns, and the ATF cannot regulate them as machine guns. A baker's dozen or so states have state level bans on them, however. On the technical side, there are several aspects that go into the pros and cons of each option. Here are the ones I do own and have tested. Note that these are all for standard AR15s, not piston derivatives, or MP5 clones. When I mention an H2 or H3 buffer, that's an aluminum housing that contains 2 or 3 Tungsten buffer weights that can slide within the body. The Rare Breed FRT15-L3 is probably the simplest, and legally strongest one to get. It's 450 bucks. It has a 3 position selector, giving you Safe, Semi auto, and FRT modes, much like an M16. Rare Breed has an explicit agreement with the Feds that their trigger is NOT a machine gun. It drops into most AR lowers, with no filing or cutting of the fire control components needed. It will run with an H3 buffer in most guns. It is not sensitive to slight variations in how the trigger holes are drilled, or other dimensions in AR receivers that were never intended to be critical dimensions. This company also sues the other companies, and does the bidding of Daddy ATF. The Partisan Disruptor is extremely similar to the Rare Breed. It basically functions the same way for 250-350 bucks, and they are based gigachads in comparison to Rare Breed. This one will work in your "high shelf" lowers. An H2 or H3 buffer is required. They've had a couple of stumbles out of the gate with quality control, but they are exceptionally responsive to the customers, and are fighting the good fight for our rights. I strongly recommend this trigger. The Hoffman Super Safety is the cheapest AR FRT. It's between 50 and 150 bucks, made by many different companies. It gives you a push button safety, with 3 positions from left to right: Safe, FRT, and Semi. It requires a modified trigger, which you can do yourself or buy for low cost. It works well, and is the least sensitive to buffer weight of all the FRTs I have tested, though it's probably a good idea to throw an H2 or H3 in there just to be sure. Many different triggers can be modified to be used with the Hoffman, including the excellent and inexpensive Larue MBT 2 stage. The Atrius Forced Reset Selector is about 200 bucks, and it works well after you modify your USGI trigger. We can go into how that's done in more detail later, but the upshot is that it's fairly inexpensive, has a 3 position lever selector, and works fairly well if you know what you're doing. You will need an H2 or H3 buffer. It can be paired with the Rise Armament Rave 140, which is a single stage cassette style trigger. This comination works exceptionally well in 22 LR builds. The Cornfire MARC is about 200 bucks, it's basically the same as an Atrius, but it was advertised initially to work with an unmodified Geissele SSA and Larue MBT 2 stage triggers. This is no longer true. But it CAN work with a Geissele trigger. I say CAN work, because I bought two of them, and they dropped right into two of my lowers that have Geissele triggers, and they do run properly. However, I tried installing one of them into a third lower with a Geissele, and it did not work. Cornfire no longer advertises that it will drop in and run with a Geissele, and has published a guide on how to make it work with the MBT 2 stage. I have not attempted this yet. You will need an H2 or H3 buffer, and if using a Geissele or MBT you will need a lever blocker, which I can explain later. The Arizona Regulator 2 position: 240 bucks, it's a little module that drops right into your gun and turns it into an FRT gun, with no standard semi auto mode. You can get them for USGI triggers, for the Larue MBT 2 stage, and for certain Geissele triggers, depending on when your trigger was manufactured. You will need an H2 or H3 (he recommends H3) buffer. The Arizona Regulator 3 position: 290 bucks. It comes with a USGI style fire control group, as well as a regulator module. It's a 3 position lever selector. It works extremely well, and has been analyzed by firearms law experts on this site to confirm its legality. The semi auto trigger pull is poor, but the design works extremely well. Some improved quality mil spec triggers can be made to work with this one. The AS Designs ARC-Fire: This may be the best of the bunch. It's 250 bucks, when in stock. It has an ambidextrous 3 position lever selector. It comes with a USGI style trigger (only the trigger, you supply the disconnector and hammer), and it does not rely on a spring like the Atrius and Cornfire to get the trip lever in position. In stock configuration, the trigger pull is “good.” It does not have trigger slap in semi auto mode. With a Geissele cut trigger, it is the best FRT on the market. I recommend buying the 30 dollar upgrade "mil spec" selector levers. In March, they are coming out with a Version 2, which will have the option for a 0/45/90 degree selector, rather than the standard 0/90/180. Perfect thank you for the breakdown of info! |
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Quoted: This. Binary triggers actually create less safe shooters. It's a "derp" device. Substatiate your response. In what condition will you ever find yourself in this 'less safe' condition? Unless you "derp" by literally pulling the trigger to send a round, hold it, then aim it at somebody while still holding the trigger, then release it, sure, thats your "less safe" condition. Or you could simply realize how many firearm saftey rules you inherent broke by making this unsafe binary condition a reality. The only way i can help your argument is with a squib, in which case all quasi fully automatic select fire like weapons fall under your broad umbrella of "less safe". But you do know there is a procedure for disabling the second round send on a franklin binary, right? |