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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:40:47 PM EDT
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Middle of any ocean you wish. Discuss. |
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I'm the biggest Bismarck Fan whore. My GSD is even named Bismarck.
The Yamato would wreck the Bismarck. |
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Bismarck. The leadership was probably much better experienced due to WWI experience, and likely a better trained crew.
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Let's see. Bismarck was sunk in 41, Yamato was commissioned in late 1940. I'm going to go with the more modern, bigger, faster and bigger gunned ship.
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If only there was a game where you could match these legendary warships.
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Ever since I read about the naval battles at the Philippines I wish Halsey had turned the Alabama (saw it as a kid and thought it was the coolest thing ever) around to guard the Samar strait.
I sort of think with superior US radar and ranging the Bama might have wrecked the Yamato. I don't think the Bismark would have faired nearly as well, just not in the same class. |
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Otto von Bismark was a politician who never served in an active war. Yamato is a province or the entire Japanese island. I'm betting in the province/country.
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Yamato, not even close.
Oh, in a battleship duel there's always that chance for a lucky shot taking out critical equipment, but nine times out of ten the Yamato comes out on top. It has heavier armor. It has more guns It's guns are far heavier. I'm going to assume that fire control was about equal. I see no reason to think that the Germans were significantly ahead of the Japanese in this regards. Speed goes to the Bismarck, but barely. |
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Yamamoto was a big bitch.
American battleships were limited by width of the Panama Canal. German battleships were kept small due to treaties. Designed in the 30’s Japan said “hold me Saki” and made some thicc ships |
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Quoted: Yamato, not even close. Oh, in a battleship duel there's always that chance for a lucky shot taking out critical equipment, but nine times out of ten the Yamato comes out on top. It has heavier armor. It has more guns It's guns are far heavier. I'm going to assume that fire control was about equal. I see no reason to think that the Germans were significantly ahead of the Japanese in this regards. Speed goes to the Bismarck, but barely. View Quote I mean the Bismarck literally blew out its own fire control on the first shot. |
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Quoted: Bismarck. The leadership was probably much better experienced due to WWI experience, and likely a better trained crew. View Quote Wrong! IJN was much better at naval warfare! Until they weren't! Imperial Japanese Navy uber alles! |
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Wasn't the armor on the Yamato brittle?
Did the Bismarck have better radar/gunners? Beat to the punch. (I forgot they blew their radar) |
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Quoted: Yamamoto was a big bitch. American battleships were limited by width of the Panama Canal. German battleships were kept small due to treaties. Designed in the 30’s Japan said “hold me Saki” and made some thicc ships View Quote German battleships were really more limited in size by the depth of the Kiel Canal (connecting the shipyard where Bismarck & Tirpitz were constructed to the ocean). Bismarck's Citadel was very well armored (but the steering gear was not encased in all that armor ), but Bismarck had significant issues with her Fire Control (first salvo blew out their radar!) and the gun layout with only 8 guns total. Bigger_Hammer |
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Yamato by a country mile. Only thing the Bismark would have is a slight speed and mobility advantage. Bismark and Yamato didn’t have effective radar range finding or targeting capabilities like the American.
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Quoted: Wasn't the armor on the Yamato brittle? Did the Bismarck have better radar/gunners? Beat to the punch. (I forgot they blew their radar) View Quote Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? Attached File |
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Quoted: Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG View Quote Dat spalling. |
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Quoted: Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Wasn't the armor on the Yamato brittle? Did the Bismarck have better radar/gunners? Beat to the punch. (I forgot they blew their radar) Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG |
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Quoted: Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG View Quote Yeah but that was very very close range. |
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Quoted: Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG View Quote |
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Quoted: Bismarck. The leadership was probably much better experienced due to WWI experience, and likely a better trained crew. View Quote The Bismarck’s crew was actually not well trained due to the haste that the ship was dispatched on her first cruise. In contrast the Yamato’s crew was very well trained though this suffered as the war went on. |
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The Bismarck only need to stay just out of gun range until the Yamato ran out of fuel.
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1. Iowa
2. South Dakota 3. Yamato 4. North Carolina 5. Bismark 6. King George V 7. Richelieu |
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Bismarck destroyed HMS Hood with about six 15 inch gun salvos, then scored multiple hits on the brand new HMS Prince of Wales causing her captain to retire from the battle. Pretty good for a fairly new ship. The IJN Yamato has been credited with a hit on the US escort carrier White Plains at 19.65 miles. If true, then the longest naval gunfire hit in battle ever. German 15 inch shell = 1760 lbs, Japanese 18 inch shell = 3200 lbs.
Still would be a awesome battle, but size does matter. |
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Blues Brothers - Sink the Bismarck |
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Quoted: Wasn't the armor on the Yamato brittle? Did the Bismarck have better radar/gunners? Beat to the punch. (I forgot they blew their radar) View Quote The Bismark would have the advantage of accuracy in terms of better range finding optics. Yamato would have the advantage of much more armor and larger guns 18.1-Inch. I would call it closer to even. |
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I agree with your first two rankings. I’ve never been able to decide on the North Carolinas. Great main armament, only protected against 14” shellfire. I’ll still rank them number three. Especially if Willis A. Lee is onboard USS Washington. |
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Quoted: I agree with your first two rankings. I’ve never been able to decide on the North Carolinas. Great main armament, only protected against 14” shellfire. I’ll still rank them number three. Especially if Willis A. Lee is onboard USS Washington. View Quote Depending on the year i suppose, equipped for blindfire and engaging at those ranges NCarolina will certainly be landing hits but Yamato can't hit what it cant see... So yeah post radar refit 1944 North Carolina > Yamato |
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