[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bob Dylan (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/9/2014 6:30:30 AM EDT
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The older I get and the older he gets, the more I like and admire Bob Dylan.
He was a thoughtless know-nothing as a youth. |
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The only Bob Dylan song I like, and the only reason I like it - http://youtu.be/CgPajCsAiwc.
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Don't think twice it's alright. Visions of Johannah Desolation Row Forever Young Blowing in the Wind Etc.... Yeah, he can write a song. Could ... Love and Theft from 2001 has some pretty good material on it. I haven't heard much of his newer albums, but I would guess there are a few gems on them. |
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Quoted: Another one of those artists that you listen to and wonder "Why in the hell is he so popular"? The guy couldn't carry a tune in a bucket and is irritating to listen to. But, he sold millions of records. |
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50 Best Bob Dylan Covers of All Time
By Josh Jackson http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2009/04/50-best-bob-dylan-covers-of-all-time.html |
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Quoted: Love and Theft from 2001 has some pretty good material on it. I haven't heard much of his newer albums, but I would guess there are a few gems on them. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't think twice it's alright. Visions of Johannah Desolation Row Forever Young Blowing in the Wind Etc.... Yeah, he can write a song. Could ... Love and Theft from 2001 has some pretty good material on it. I haven't heard much of his newer albums, but I would guess there are a few gems on them. |
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The older I get and the older he gets, the more I like and admire Bob Dylan. He was a thoughtless know-nothing as a youth. He knew enough not to become the spokesman for the Joan Baez types. The anti's wanted him badly. I have disagreed with some of the directions he's taken but he seemed to come by them on his own. He liked the minstrel life and has worked hard at it IMO. Still writes some good stuff. |
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He had a couple of amazing records in the 70's. Blood on the Tracks and Desire. Quoted:
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Another one of those artists that you listen to and wonder "Why in the hell is he so popular"? The guy couldn't carry a tune in a bucket and is irritating to listen to. But, he sold millions of records. Listened to those albums a lot. Many a good memory. |
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He is a very talented songwriter from a time when very talented songwriters could sing their own songs and nobody cared. If he would have came on the scene today he would be relegated to ghost writing and most people would never know his name or his face. so who's his modern day equivalent? or recent? If he had one we could test your theory. Being unique is enough to get you heard, |
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so who's his modern day equivalent? or recent? If he had one we could test your theory. Being unique is enough to get you heard, Quoted:
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He is a very talented songwriter from a time when very talented songwriters could sing their own songs and nobody cared. If he would have came on the scene today he would be relegated to ghost writing and most people would never know his name or his face. so who's his modern day equivalent? or recent? If he had one we could test your theory. Being unique is enough to get you heard, There are a ton of Phil Spector types behind the scenes who write the pop hits for a lot of acts. Max Martin is one of them in modern times... he has written something like 16 or 17 #1 pop hits for the likes of Brittany Spears, Aviril Levine, etc. No one knows his name or his face but he is a kingmaker who makes the music and lyrics for the songbirds with pretty faces and voices to sing. Sure there are a lot of warble voiced butt ugly musicians in today's world, but many of them are trapped in niche markets or hipster style sub pop. |
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I love Bob Dylan. I think he's one of the best songwriters that ever lived, and I find his voice to be horribly delicious. But I also like Neil Young, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. That's funny, when I saw this thread I thought about how deeply I hate both of them. 
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There are a ton of Phil Spector types behind the scenes who write the pop hits for a lot of acts. Max Martin is one of them in modern times... he has written something like 16 or 17 #1 pop hits for the likes of Brittany Spears, Aviril Levine, etc. No one knows his name or his face but he is a kingmaker who makes the music and lyrics for the songbirds with pretty faces and voices to sing. Sure there are a lot of warble voiced butt ugly musicians in today's world, but many of them are trapped in niche markets or hipster style sub pop. Quoted:
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He is a very talented songwriter from a time when very talented songwriters could sing their own songs and nobody cared. If he would have came on the scene today he would be relegated to ghost writing and most people would never know his name or his face. so who's his modern day equivalent? or recent? If he had one we could test your theory. Being unique is enough to get you heard, There are a ton of Phil Spector types behind the scenes who write the pop hits for a lot of acts. Max Martin is one of them in modern times... he has written something like 16 or 17 #1 pop hits for the likes of Brittany Spears, Aviril Levine, etc. No one knows his name or his face but he is a kingmaker who makes the music and lyrics for the songbirds with pretty faces and voices to sing. Sure there are a lot of warble voiced butt ugly musicians in today's world, but many of them are trapped in niche markets or hipster style sub pop. Pop is a different world. |
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His older songs are just as good and make just as much sense as Weird Al's version of his songs. This is not criticism, merely observation. I appreciate both, for what they are.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQDzj6R3p4I agree. |
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"Like a Rolling Stone" is THE best go-to-hell song ever written. . He wrote some good songs back in the day with some clever lyrics: "money doesn't talk, it swears. . " "Obscenity who really cares, propaganda all is phony" "Condemned to drift---or else be kept from drifting. ." |
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Pop is a different world. And the genre of folk troubadour music Dylan typifies has been forced deep underground since the late 70s. The 80s were the tipping point in music, when everything became not just about talent but about looks and marketability. A young Bob Dylan wouldn't make it very far in today's music market. Sure he could eek out a paltry living playing on the small club circuit and self-release his MP3s on bandcamp like the million plus niche bands that are out there, becoming a hipster talking point, but he never would become a household name today like what he was back in his time. Dylan is a talented man but he was a pioneer of his time and "the right man in the right place at the right time" to ride a wave of folk revival, which for its day WAS popular music. My salient point through all of this is that the music world has spun a complete 180 from where it was when Dylan was cock of the walk. There are a dozen young Dylans out there right now who are finding a lot of doors closed to them because they don't have the looks or the voice to carry their songwriting talent into the mainstream market. |
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And the genre of folk troubadour music Dylan typifies has been forced deep underground since the late 70s. The 80s were the tipping point in music, when everything became not just about talent but about looks and marketability. A young Bob Dylan wouldn't make it very far in today's music market. Sure he could eek out a paltry living playing on the small club circuit and self-release his MP3s on bandcamp like the million plus niche bands that are out there, becoming a hipster talking point, but he never would become a household name today like what he was back in his time. Dylan is a talented man but he was a pioneer of his time and "the right man in the right place at the right time" to ride a wave of folk revival, which for its day WAS popular music. My salient point through all of this is that the music world has spun a complete 180 from where it was when Dylan was cock of the walk. There are a dozen young Dylans out there right now who are finding a lot of doors closed to them because they don't have the looks or the voice to carry their songwriting talent into the mainstream market. Quoted:
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Pop is a different world. And the genre of folk troubadour music Dylan typifies has been forced deep underground since the late 70s. The 80s were the tipping point in music, when everything became not just about talent but about looks and marketability. A young Bob Dylan wouldn't make it very far in today's music market. Sure he could eek out a paltry living playing on the small club circuit and self-release his MP3s on bandcamp like the million plus niche bands that are out there, becoming a hipster talking point, but he never would become a household name today like what he was back in his time. Dylan is a talented man but he was a pioneer of his time and "the right man in the right place at the right time" to ride a wave of folk revival, which for its day WAS popular music. My salient point through all of this is that the music world has spun a complete 180 from where it was when Dylan was cock of the walk. There are a dozen young Dylans out there right now who are finding a lot of doors closed to them because they don't have the looks or the voice to carry their songwriting talent into the mainstream market. Yes, the music world is someplace else today. That Max looked pretty enough. Could he sing, or like Bob Gaudio, did he go with his real love, which wasn't performing. |
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Yes, the music world is someplace else today. That Max looked pretty enough. Could he sing, or like Bob Gaudio, did he go with his real love, which wasn't performing. Max Martin was just the first one that came to my mind. Martin is more like a Brian Eno figure in that yes he is good enough to plow his own road but he is more comfortable turning shit to gold and cashing a check. In a sense he is part of what is wrong with modern music, part of the "assembly line factory" process things have taken on. But getting back to Dylan I think one of the big reasons he remains in the scene is because there is still a desire for his kind of "un-manufactured" music, but folks like Dylan have name recognition and will continue to receive market support in his efforts. But all the young Dylans out there get nothing because their look and their sound is not what record companies think will sell. It's a vicious catch 22 of sorts... there is a lot of talent in the world but only a small percentage of them get let in "the door" which gets their name out there and their music on iTunes and their tours promoted. Everyone else is forced to scratch and fight for every single foot of progress and many very talented acts never escape their local markets, even with the internet. |
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As Bob has gotten older he sounds more and more like someone doing an exaggerated Bob Dylan imitation. He's become a caricature of himself. He's always been a horrifyingly bad singer - I saw him at Pine Knob Music Theater in the late 80s when he had Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers backing him and his singing was awful - but Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde On Blonde were incredible albums for their time. |
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Quoted: 50 Best Bob Dylan Covers of All Time By Josh Jackson http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2009/04/50-best-bob-dylan-covers-of-all-time.html That's a helluva' catalog of songs. Grace did this after the above was written. I'm torn though - she looks smokin' hot here and sounds decent, but Chrissie's version is better.  |
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Bob_Dylan_-_Blood_on_the_Tracks.jpg Love this album. His best. I think so too. Jingle jangle sound in full . |
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There are a ton of Phil Spector types behind the scenes who write the pop hits for a lot of acts. Max Martin is one of them in modern times... he has written something like 16 or 17 #1 pop hits for the likes of Brittany Spears, Aviril Levine, etc. No one knows his name or his face but he is a kingmaker who makes the music and lyrics for the songbirds with pretty faces and voices to sing. Sure there are a lot of warble voiced butt ugly musicians in today's world, but many of them are trapped in niche markets or hipster style sub pop. Quoted:
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He is a very talented songwriter from a time when very talented songwriters could sing their own songs and nobody cared. If he would have came on the scene today he would be relegated to ghost writing and most people would never know his name or his face. so who's his modern day equivalent? or recent? If he had one we could test your theory. Being unique is enough to get you heard, There are a ton of Phil Spector types behind the scenes who write the pop hits for a lot of acts. Max Martin is one of them in modern times... he has written something like 16 or 17 #1 pop hits for the likes of Brittany Spears, Aviril Levine, etc. No one knows his name or his face but he is a kingmaker who makes the music and lyrics for the songbirds with pretty faces and voices to sing. Sure there are a lot of warble voiced butt ugly musicians in today's world, but many of them are trapped in niche markets or hipster style sub pop. Martin has written quite a few of Katy Perry's songs, including the iconic I Kissed A Girl. |