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Boeing DEI really paying off again.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/28/boeing-nasa-delays-starliner-further.html
...they need to test the thrusters on the ground to figure out how to get the astronauts back safely...
NASA and Boeing
are further extending the first Starliner crewed flight but are not yet setting a new target date for returning the capsule to Earth, the organizations announced on Friday.

Boeing’s Starliner capsule “Calypso” will stay at the International Space Station into next month while the company and NASA conduct new testing back on the ground. Boeing’s crew flight test represents the first time Starliner is carrying people, flying NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams.

Officials say the Starliner team is starting a test campaign of the spacecraft’s thruster technology at White Sands, New Mexico – testing that will be completed before Starliner returns to Earth.

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Don’t mistake Boeing’s incompetence with her qualifications. The lady is a badass.

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They aren't stranded. Musk could go get them tomorrow in a Dragon. But Nasa and Boeing can't allow those optics.

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Boeing and NASA's DEI really paying off again.

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One of the problems when you start to DEI hire is that the competent hires who are in the DEI group hires get lumped into the same classification as the incompetent hires. Had a VG boss who happened to be Black who had issues with that himself. He felt it was an insult but also understood, because he had to work with DEI incompetents himself, why others initially felt that way.

God help you if you are a competent minority because the company will ask/beg you to join their DEI teams to push and recruit non competent minorities you know aren't good hires for a position and so will activist minority groups that have sprung up in each little DEI group a company hires. Gays, women, minorities of color, and so on.

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NASA can bring them home on Starliner at any convenient time -  the results of testing so far have made them confident that it will be fine for de-orbit and reentry.  The vast majority of the testing/troubleshooting being done is to isolate the problem well enough that they can fix the problem so that it doesn't occur on future service modules.  Whether Boeing should build any more is a different question, of course, and one which will have to be answered.

Mike

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Do they have to be in the ship when it comes back? If Starliner has to stay docked until Nasa and Boeing are done with their tests, why not go ahead and send a Dragon for them? Is there only one dock or something?

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NASA can bring them home on Starliner at any convenient time -  the results of testing so far have made them confident that it will be fine for de-orbit and reentry.  The vast majority of the testing/troubleshooting being done is to isolate the problem well enough that they can fix the problem so that it doesn't occur on future service modules.  Whether Boeing should build any more is a different question, of course, and one which will have to be answered.

Mike

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Orion CM uses N2H4 and a catalyst ignition thruster (no OX propellant) and the Orion SM uses MMH and N2O4 in the thrusters.

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The ISS yeets things all the time.

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Intentionally reporting leak rate as psi/minute is incompetence.  A reporter writing that indicates "not competent to report".

The leaks should be reported as pounds-mass per minute, or seconds, or hours.  And not constant without pumping something into the tanks to maintain pressure.

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Suits are not compatible.

If I were Musk, a team would have already been tasked to contact Boeing for enough interface requirements to design and build modified seats, and when Boeing balks due to IP, contact NASA for the information since it belongs to the tax payers.

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Not having a coming spacesuit Interface seems like a wasted opportunity for additional safety.

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Not when NASA and the Feds hate everything Musk stands for. They’ll put lives at unneeded risk to give him the finger.

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Suits are not compatible.

If I were Musk, a team would have already been tasked to contact Boeing for enough interface requirements to design and build modified seats, and when Boeing balks due to IP, contact NASA for the information since it belongs to the tax payers.

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Someone in this thread mentioned that there was a lower limit to the pressure that was needed to reliably push propellant and oxidizer to the thrusters against the chamber pressure.
So in this case, it's not a leak concerning volume, it's a leak concerning pressure.

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It could be named as an homage to Cousteau's famous ship (... which was presumably named after the nymph).

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Can you hear me, Major Tom?

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We'll just call it an extended stay.

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As far as what they will do with the capsule.

It will limp away from the ISS, the deorbit burn will fail and it will be a mostly peaceful but fiery return.

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....snip....

If we don't believe Boeing, NASA's not letting it depart the ISS for fear the astronauts might get stranded, or worse, it might impact the ISS on departure, meaning NASA might have to pay SpaceX sooner to deorbit the ISS b/c of a Boeing fuckup.

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I wonder if secretly, the crew is refusing to ride that bitch down.

Media are invited to hear from NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test astronauts discussing their mission during an Earth to space call at 11 a.m. EDT Wednesday, July 10. NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams will participate in the news conference from aboard the International Space Station in low Earth orbit.

NASA will stream the event on NASA+, NASA Television, the NASA app, YouTube, and the agency’s website. Learn how to stream NASA TV through a variety of platforms including social media.

Media interested in participating must RSVP no later than 5 p.m., Tuesday, July 9, to the newsroom at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston at 281-483-5111 or [email protected]. To ask questions, reporters must dial into the news conference no later than 10 minutes before the start of the call.

Wilmore and Williams have been living and working aboard the station since docking on June 6, contributing to the expedition crew’s research and maintenance activities, while helping ground teams collect critical data for long-duration Starliner flights to the orbiting complex.
Learn more about space station operations at:

https://www.nasa.gov/station

00:00:01 Houston
Station Houston on two for Butch or Sunny at your convenience, go ahead.
00:00:08 Houston
All right, Butch. I wanted to pass on one configuration change we made to CST overnight. We started seeing the CO2 sensor actor radically. It was jumping between a nominal value and an off scale high. It eventually tripped the fault for the PPCO2 high. So there's some tones and lights and alarm and.
00:00:28 Houston
CST ecom has inhibited defaults associated and we'll continue looking into it.
00:00:35 Houston
If that all makes sense, I do have 1D for your safe haven procedure. When you're ready to copy.
00:00:43 Butch
So that was a single erratic sensor, just one sensor.
00:00:48 Houston
That's correct. And that sensor is for CO2.
00:00:53 Butch
I'll be ready to copy the delta.
00:00:56 Houston
OK. So while we have these faults inhibited, if we were in another safe haven case, you would not receive a message for high PPCO2.
00:01:06 Houston
And so as a result, we recommend that sunny perform the Liao steps.
00:01:12 Houston
Before entering step 8, which is the first step in her column of the procedure.
00:01:20 Butch
Right. So the Lyle steps, I think was at 13 before she does step 8.
00:01:28 Butch
Yeah, sounds wise. Well, we find ourselves in that situation. We will definitely do that. Thank you.
00:01:35 Houston
Absolutely.
00:01:37 Sunny
Hey, just got a question too. Is there a CST ecom in the house?
00:01:42 Houston
There is no longer one in the house. They were there a couple of hours ago. I can takedown a question, though, if you.
00:01:49 Sunny
Quick question, if we by chance do safe Haven again, I'm just curious about what lyo canisters they'd want us to use, and we used four on the way here. I put 4 fresh ones in during safe haven. We've got eight more fresh ones.
00:02:09 Sunny
But in case there's a safe haven event, would they want us to use the ones we used for less safe haven or break open for more?
00:02:17 Houston
Copy the question. I'll pass it along. Might be able to get you an answer doing Houston business hours today, but would Friday be all?
00:02:25 Houston
Right.
00:02:26 Sunny
Yeah, that's great. I just, you know, just thinking ahead about what you just mentioned about the sensors and us putting it in there pretty quickly. So just curious about which would be the right ones to use?
00:02:38 Houston
Yeah, I copied the question. All makes sense.
00:02:40 Sunny
OK. Thanks.

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Maybe they can catch a ride home on SpaceX and kick their junker to the curb.

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They aren't stranded. Musk could go get them tomorrow in a Dragon. But Nasa and Boeing can't allow those optics.