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Posted: 7/6/2024 9:40:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way he runs things, they could probably have a ship ready to go by noon tomorrow. I'd be surprised if there haven't been conversations between the agencies about compatibility so NASA space suits can plug into SpaceX life support systems and the capsule seats can accommodate them too. This would be a good time to develop a universal system, at least for seats, connectors, and whatnot. |
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Posted: 7/6/2024 1:09:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be surprised if there haven't been conversations between the agencies about compatibility so NASA space suits can plug into SpaceX life support systems and the capsule seats can accommodate them too. This would be a good time to develop a universal system, at least for seats, connectors, and whatnot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The way he runs things, they could probably have a ship ready to go by noon tomorrow. I'd be surprised if there haven't been conversations between the agencies about compatibility so NASA space suits can plug into SpaceX life support systems and the capsule seats can accommodate them too. This would be a good time to develop a universal system, at least for seats, connectors, and whatnot. Elon is generally several steps ahead, he's probably already built it and has it sitting on the shelf just in case. |
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Posted: 7/6/2024 1:27:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elon is generally several steps ahead, he's probably already built it and has it sitting on the shelf just in case. Is he into corporate espionage? How much information could he get about their designs from FOIA requests? |
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Posted: 7/6/2024 1:30:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is he into corporate espionage? How much information could he get about their designs from FOIA requests? He could probably ask Tim Dodd for details.   What it's like to wear Boeing's Space Suit |
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Posted: 7/6/2024 1:34:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX doesn’t have a Dragon ready to go. According the NASA, there are 6 docked at the ISS currently, that includes the Boeing pos. There are six docks total, so the ISS is full. I get the impression that some docks can only work with certain spacecraft. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do they have to be in the ship when it comes back? If Starliner has to stay docked until Nasa and Boeing are done with their tests, why not go ahead and send a Dragon for them? Is there only one dock or something? SpaceX doesn’t have a Dragon ready to go. According the NASA, there are 6 docked at the ISS currently, that includes the Boeing pos. There are six docks total, so the ISS is full. I get the impression that some docks can only work with certain spacecraft. Has there ever been an orbital rescue mission before? Aka a craft launched to bring stranded astronauts down? I believe after a shuttle blew the astronauts on the ISS took an existing soyuz back down but it was already there. |
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Posted: 7/6/2024 2:34:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has there ever been an orbital rescue mission before? Aka a craft launched to bring stranded astronauts down? I believe after a shuttle blew the astronauts on the ISS took an existing soyuz back down but it was already there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do they have to be in the ship when it comes back? If Starliner has to stay docked until Nasa and Boeing are done with their tests, why not go ahead and send a Dragon for them? Is there only one dock or something? SpaceX doesn’t have a Dragon ready to go. According the NASA, there are 6 docked at the ISS currently, that includes the Boeing pos. There are six docks total, so the ISS is full. I get the impression that some docks can only work with certain spacecraft. Has there ever been an orbital rescue mission before? Aka a craft launched to bring stranded astronauts down? I believe after a shuttle blew the astronauts on the ISS took an existing soyuz back down but it was already there. Rescue flights were pre-planned with hardware assembled for Skylab and the final Hubble servicing missions, but I’m not aware of any having been flown by any nation. |
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Posted: 7/6/2024 2:44:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is he into corporate espionage? How much information could he get about their designs from FOIA requests? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Elon is generally several steps ahead, he's probably already built it and has it sitting on the shelf just in case. Is he into corporate espionage? How much information could he get about their designs from FOIA requests? I doubt there's any secrets to the design of a suit hookup. It's probably specced out in some document that's public. |
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Posted: 7/8/2024 9:16:54 AM EST
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GM, is Boeing Starliner still stuck on ISS?
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Posted: 7/10/2024 10:55:45 PM EST
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Talking August now, July if everything goes swimmingly from now on:
 Boeing Needs To Complete More Testing Before Undocking Starliner |
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Posted: 7/11/2024 8:51:47 AM EST
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Has anyone called in the lifeline yet?
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Posted: 7/15/2024 5:58:42 PM EST
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A pro-Boeing look at the situation:
 Starliner is Doing Better than you Think! Seemingly accepts NASA, Boeing, & the astronauts' statements at face value. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 6:11:02 PM EST
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Broken Shuttle Tiles... remember that flight?
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Posted: 7/15/2024 6:11:52 PM EST
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So they just live there now? Are they at least chipping in on the groceries and light bill?
The other astronauts are like “guests are like fish…” |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 6:26:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they just live there now? Are they at least chipping in on the groceries and light bill? The other astronauts are like “guests are like fish…” Maybe they are brewing moonshine for everyone up there since Starliner is parked like a Camaro with a got dang broken driveshaft on the front lawn?
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Posted: 7/18/2024 10:35:03 AM EST
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Boeing Starliner issues causing food shortages on ISS?
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Posted: 7/22/2024 7:56:17 AM EST
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Issue with the Boeing Starliner has been resolved via media coverup and the need to keep funding NASA pensions.
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Posted: 7/22/2024 8:14:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If anyone blows the whistle about this......they are as good as dead. Or on the next trip to Starliner. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:50:17 PM EST
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SpaceX was awarded a NASA contract to DE-ORBIT ISS.
Will that occur before or after Boeing Starliner is undocked? 
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:18:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX was awarded a NASA contract to DE-ORBIT ISS. Will that occur before or after Boeing Starliner is undocked? https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-22-2018/4axJ8A.gif Reminds me of a scene from the movie Dragonheart. “You can’t fly forever!” “Neither can you!”  Attached FileThe proposed deorbit vehicle looks pretty dope. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:35:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of a scene from the movie Dragonheart. “You can’t fly forever!” “Neither can you!” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383325/AFFDA20E-8448-414C-A0AF-3186A450C397_jpe-3275799.JPG The proposed deorbit vehicle looks pretty dope. Balancing the thrust to keep it in line with the structural mass is going to be non trivial.... I could see this going badly rather quickly if there is a structural failure and it throws the center of balance off. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:39:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Balancing the thrust to keep it in line with the structural mass is going to be non trivial.... I could see this going badly rather quickly if there is a structural failure and it throws the center of balance off. Very slow and easy and it may take weeks to do it safely. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:39:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Balancing the thrust to keep it in line with the structural mass is going to be non trivial.... I could see this going badly rather quickly if there is a structural failure and it throws the center of balance off. Yep, Elon has said on twitter that this is one heck of a project and that the station wasn’t really designed for these sorts of loads. I suppose when they built the thing they either expected something better than the shuttle to be available to dismantle it and take the big bits down for display in museums like the original plan for decommissioning Hubble. Or perhaps they were going to part it out for deep space missions like in the novel Manifold Space? |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:42:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, Elon has said on twitter that this is one heck of a project and that the station wasn’t really designed for these sorts of loads. I suppose when they built the thing they either expected something better than the shuttle to be available to dismantle it and take the big bits down for display in museums like the original plan for decommissioning Hubble. Or perhaps they were going to part it out for deep space missions like in the novel Manifold Space? More likely they didn’t care or even have the foresight to make it easy. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:10:45 PM EST
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They could break it down into smaller pieces and maybe salvage some parts. The solar panels are fairly new. Resell them to another company that needs a lot of power in space. Unless the whole thing is too stressed by thermal cycling to be of any use.
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Posted: 7/25/2024 12:37:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... salvage some parts. The solar panels are fairly new. Resell them to another company that needs a lot of power in space. Unless the whole thing is too stressed by thermal cycling to be of any use. Russian Space Station Mir had a lot of discussion on this subject in literature. The irony of world powers disposing equipment in our atmosphere while preaching climate change and benefits of recycling is not lost on me. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 12:42:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is he into corporate espionage? How much information could he get about their designs from FOIA requests? Just do it the Chinese way |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 12:53:28 PM EST
[#27]
 Dean Martin - "I'll Be Home For Christmas" - LIVE - CHRISTMAS |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 5:46:32 PM EST
[#28]
This was planned all the time, they were always going to spend AT LEAST nine days in orbit, so why not make a long trip out of it?!
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/25/nasa-boeing-crewed-starliner-flight-return-august.html The indefinite extension of Starliner’s flight test is difficult to put into context of other human spaceflights due to the unique circumstances and developmental nature of the mission. Any crewed spaceflight comes with heightened risk and scrutiny. Originally, Calypso was expected to spend a minimum of nine days in space before returning. “I think we all knew that it was going to go longer than that. We didn’t spend a lot of time talking about how much longer, but I think it’s my regret that we we didn’t just say we’re going to stay up there until we get everything done that we want to go to do,” Boeing’s Mark Nappi, vice president of the Starliner program, said on Thursday. Just because we said "nine days" doesn't mean it couldn't also be 55 days! |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:03:38 PM EST
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“NASA and Boeing have repeatedly stressed that they are not stranded in space….”
If I whip off into Death Valley on a set of spare tires wearing flip flops…when the tires blow, I’d consider myself stranded. I lament the absence of steely eyed missile men at NASA and assholes at Boeing… |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:08:23 PM EST
[#30]
...waiting for AmericanPeople to state the spacecraft is nominal, stronger than ever, and ready to lead this nation to the stars.
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:14:27 PM EST
[#31]
So what is Space TDY pay?
Hope it's $1k a day. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:21:11 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Balancing the thrust to keep it in line with the structural mass is going to be non trivial.... I could see this going badly rather quickly if there is a structural failure and it throws the center of balance off. Moar struts! |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:23:36 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what is Space TDY pay? Hope it's $1k a day. Meals provided. Incidentals only. Buzz Aldrin got $1/day.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:25:28 PM EST
[#34]
Will they break the record for days in space before they come home?
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:26:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will they break the record for days in space before they come home?  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:27:47 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...waiting for AmericanPeople to state the spacecraft is nominal, stronger than ever, and ready to lead this nation to the stars. Show me where I ever stated anything like that. Starliner is a failure and the Crew Dragon Uber service option was my suggestion early on. It remains the best option. This is still a dupe thread. |
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Posted: 7/28/2024 8:49:45 AM EST
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SpaceX emergency contract:
This is a $266,678 firm-fixed-price delivery order contract awarded to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) by the Kennedy Space Center, a civilian agency of the U.S. government. The contract is for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE" with a completion date of August 15, 2024. https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 3:37:32 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show me where I ever stated anything like that. Starliner is a failure and the Crew Dragon Uber service option was my suggestion early on. It remains the best option. This is still a dupe thread. Can't call it a dupe thread without sharing a link to the real thread. 
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Posted: 7/29/2024 3:45:10 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will they break the record for days in space before they come home? not likely. I read about a USSR cosmonaut that was up where when the USSR broke up. he came back down something like 650 days later as a Russian cosmonaut. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 3:47:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They could break it down into smaller pieces and maybe salvage some parts. The solar panels are fairly new. Resell them to another company that needs a lot of power in space. Unless the whole thing is too stressed by thermal cycling to be of any use. Ever buy a used travel trailer? At best a lot of that interior stuff needs a bleach power washing. Space is gross and brutal. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:58:41 PM EST
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I've heard that the first exposure to the ISS atmosphere is gag inducing. I would be selling off exterior components. "Special price on solar panels, limited time only." Docking hubs, antennas, etc. could be repurposed.
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Posted: 7/29/2024 10:07:51 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX emergency contract: https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX emergency contract: This is a $266,678 firm-fixed-price delivery order contract awarded to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) by the Kennedy Space Center, a civilian agency of the U.S. government. The contract is for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE" with a completion date of August 15, 2024. https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 10:14:25 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SpaceX emergency contract: This is a $266,678 firm-fixed-price delivery order contract awarded to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) by the Kennedy Space Center, a civilian agency of the U.S. government. The contract is for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE" with a completion date of August 15, 2024. https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. The delivery orders might require that title. Kharn |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 10:59:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SpaceX emergency contract: This is a $266,678 firm-fixed-price delivery order contract awarded to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) by the Kennedy Space Center, a civilian agency of the U.S. government. The contract is for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE" with a completion date of August 15, 2024. https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. I guess it depends on whether or not one took the deathtrap into space which can't make it back down. A matter of perspective I suppose. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 11:06:09 PM EST
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If they leave in that thing they are going to die.
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Posted: 7/29/2024 11:13:31 PM EST
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Posted: 7/29/2024 11:17:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they leave in that thing they are going to die. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 11:26:59 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they leave in that thing they are going to die. Ehhh... As much as I hate Boeing, realistically they probably have a 70-80% chance of survival if they undock in Starliner and attempt reentry. That's..not terrible. Definitely not great. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 11:32:48 PM EST
[#49]
SpaceX Uber service run, maybe combined with some supplies delivery or whatever, they they can screw around with the Starliner testing as long as they want and then have it return unmanned.
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Posted: 7/29/2024 11:52:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they leave in that thing they are going to die. Eh - everybody's gonna die. |
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