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Posted: 8/7/2024 7:30:41 AM EST
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I'm surprised Boeing hasn't listed Starliner on 'Bring A Trailer' yet.
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Posted: 8/7/2024 7:49:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised Boeing hasn't listed Starliner on 'Bring A Trailer' yet. Pretty sure BaT requires full disclosure on vehicle condition, which I don't think boeing is capable of doing. This is definitely more a FB marketplace find where the price is obo and the seller is willing to consider interesting trades. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 7:53:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised Boeing hasn't listed Starliner on 'Bring A Trailer' yet. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 3:24:55 PM EST
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 Boeing and NASA Have A BIG Problem With Starliner... |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 9:01:24 PM EST
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Wonder if part of the delay in the SpaceX crew mission is to prepare hardware and software that would be transported to the ISS to update the Starliner capsule for autonomous operation.
Not sure how they'd do that though, since there's no available docking port. Maybe they need to dig out the plans for the Apollo-Soyuz mission and make a Dragon-Soyuz docking adapter. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 9:07:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snip Maybe they need to dig out the plans for the Apollo-Soyuz mission and make a Dragon-Soyuz docking adapter.  Now I have the mental image of Musk and some very angry NASA Administrators with wrenches in their hands coldly speaking to some Shmucks from Boeing. "Are you going to be straight with us? Or are we going to have to rearrange your faces?" |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 9:20:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if part of the delay in the SpaceX crew mission is to prepare hardware and software that would be transported to the ISS to update the Starliner capsule for autonomous operation. Not sure how they'd do that though, since there's no available docking port. Maybe they need to dig out the plans for the Apollo-Soyuz mission and make a Dragon-Soyuz docking adapter. The other crew just needs to leave before the new crew arrives, presto, there's a docking port. ETA: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Which-arrives-in-the-US-first-Boeing-s-Stayliner-or-Magpul-s-TMags-/5-2741306/? |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 10:47:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other crew just needs to leave before the new crew arrives, presto, there's a docking port. ETA: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Which-arrives-in-the-US-first-Boeing-s-Stayliner-or-Magpul-s-TMags-/5-2741306/? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wonder if part of the delay in the SpaceX crew mission is to prepare hardware and software that would be transported to the ISS to update the Starliner capsule for autonomous operation. Not sure how they'd do that though, since there's no available docking port. Maybe they need to dig out the plans for the Apollo-Soyuz mission and make a Dragon-Soyuz docking adapter. The other crew just needs to leave before the new crew arrives, presto, there's a docking port. ETA: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Which-arrives-in-the-US-first-Boeing-s-Stayliner-or-Magpul-s-TMags-/5-2741306/? They need the capsule with extra seats along with the extra SpaceX suits so that they can also transport the two extras. Unless you want the extras to stay for however long Crew 9 was supposed to be there. The alternative is for Crew 8 to depart, and a special rescue mission trip to be flown with spare seats to return the two stranded astronauts. Maybe they take some extra supplies to replenish ISS for the extra food that's been consumed etc, but they don't stay long and then depart. Then Crew 9 goes up to ISS at some later time. I don't know how fast SpaceX can recycle one of the capsules, it would certainly make things easier if they had another Crew Dragon capsule. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 11:20:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need the capsule with extra seats along with the extra SpaceX suits so that they can also transport the two extras. Unless you want the extras to stay for however long Crew 9 was supposed to be there. The alternative is for Crew 8 to depart, and a special rescue mission trip to be flown with spare seats to return the two stranded astronauts. Maybe they take some extra supplies to replenish ISS for the extra food that's been consumed etc, but they don't stay long and then depart. Then Crew 9 goes up to ISS at some later time. I don't know how fast SpaceX can recycle one of the capsules, it would certainly make things easier if they had another Crew Dragon capsule. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wonder if part of the delay in the SpaceX crew mission is to prepare hardware and software that would be transported to the ISS to update the Starliner capsule for autonomous operation. Not sure how they'd do that though, since there's no available docking port. Maybe they need to dig out the plans for the Apollo-Soyuz mission and make a Dragon-Soyuz docking adapter. The other crew just needs to leave before the new crew arrives, presto, there's a docking port. ETA: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Which-arrives-in-the-US-first-Boeing-s-Stayliner-or-Magpul-s-TMags-/5-2741306/? They need the capsule with extra seats along with the extra SpaceX suits so that they can also transport the two extras. Unless you want the extras to stay for however long Crew 9 was supposed to be there. The alternative is for Crew 8 to depart, and a special rescue mission trip to be flown with spare seats to return the two stranded astronauts. Maybe they take some extra supplies to replenish ISS for the extra food that's been consumed etc, but they don't stay long and then depart. Then Crew 9 goes up to ISS at some later time. I don't know how fast SpaceX can recycle one of the capsules, it would certainly make things easier if they had another Crew Dragon capsule. Sounds like they're just going to make the Boeing crew part of Crew 9. Crew 8 departs, opens up the docking port, Crew 9 docks. Crew 8 then starts their retro burn. No extra payments to SpaceX other than for the replacement seats & spacesuits. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 9:54:20 AM EST
[#10]
 Will Astronaut's 8 Day Mission Turn into an 8 Month Mission? Starliner Answers Slowly Emerge. |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 2:42:24 PM EST
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BUMP
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Posted: 8/12/2024 11:17:15 AM EST
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Posted: 8/12/2024 11:36:57 AM EST
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You know, if the roles were reversed, the media would be all over spacex stranding astronauts, shouting it from the roof tops at full blast,etc.
I wonder how much beoing is paying media to keep them off of the front page? |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 11:50:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, if the roles were reversed, the media would be all over spacex stranding astronauts, shouting it from the roof tops at full blast,etc. I wonder how much beoing is paying media to keep them off of the front page? |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 11:53:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryNASA should start charging Boeing rent for blocking that docking spot. Boeing sure has screwed the pooch big time. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 11:56:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NASA should start charging Boeing rent for blocking that docking spot. Boeing sure has screwed the pooch big time. They are, 125 million smackers last time I checked. More by now. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 12:18:51 PM EST
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 NASA Insider on Boeing Starliner: "No One Considered This" Not the best video, but the latest video. Sounding like NASA approved the launch knowing the autonomous software wasn't installed. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 5:28:14 PM EST
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lol
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Posted: 8/12/2024 6:33:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol
If they send it back crewed, they need to do it soon. Leaks don't get better. Though that will be so retarded, it will make the Challenger launch decision look good.  |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 6:38:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they send it back crewed, they need to do it soon. Leaks don't get better. Though that will be so retarded, it will make the Challenger launch decision look good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol
If they send it back crewed, they need to do it soon. Leaks don't get better. Though that will be so retarded, it will make the Challenger launch decision look good. Eh, the leaks are so small they've got plenty of helium - clearly, b/c it's still up there. Not like they can't borrow a little from the ISS before they leave. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 7:04:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh, the leaks are so small they've got plenty of helium - clearly, b/c it's still up there. Not like they can't borrow a little from the ISS before they leave. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: lol
If they send it back crewed, they need to do it soon. Leaks don't get better. Though that will be so retarded, it will make the Challenger launch decision look good. Eh, the leaks are so small they've got plenty of helium - clearly, b/c it's still up there. Not like they can't borrow a little from the ISS before they leave. It's still up there because of leaks and bad thrusters and who knows what else. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 7:58:27 PM EST
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This is the latest in a long list of NASA failures in my lifetime. Who could have guessed that teaming up with a troubled Boeing would lead to something like this?
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Posted: 8/12/2024 8:07:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you talking about? There are almost daily articles from most news sources about this constantly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You know, if the roles were reversed, the media would be all over spacex stranding astronauts, shouting it from the roof tops at full blast,etc. I wonder how much beoing is paying media to keep them off of the front page? Not remotely like if this had been SpaceX. They HATE Musk. A minor "recall" for Tesla that's just an over the air software update gets far more publicity than another company's recall of 100,000+ engines self destructing. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 8:10:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the latest in a long list of NASA failures in my lifetime. Who could have guessed that teaming up with a troubled Boeing would lead to something like this? Just another part of the long ongoing sad story of the de-industrialization and degrowth of the western world. Funnily enough, not so much done by an insidious conspiracy of bloodthirsty Satan worshiping pedophiles. But by their loyal cadre of MBA$ who are aggressively sacrificing the past and the future for an uncertain present. I tell this story a lot. But ISRO is one of the least corrupt outfits in India. When people ask why this is the reply is simple. Space is an utterly unforgiving environment and if you have corruption in your systems then you don't get to go to space. Boeing and their corruption has become a textbook example of this. With all the hardware they built or inherited at the end of the Cold War they should have had Starliner operational not long after the Shuttle was decomissioned. Now look at where we are. 
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Posted: 8/12/2024 8:15:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's still up there because of leaks and bad thrusters and who knows what else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: lol
If they send it back crewed, they need to do it soon. Leaks don't get better. Though that will be so retarded, it will make the Challenger launch decision look good. Eh, the leaks are so small they've got plenty of helium - clearly, b/c it's still up there. Not like they can't borrow a little from the ISS before they leave. It's still up there because of leaks and bad thrusters and who knows what else.  The bad thrusters keep it from a controlled descent. It's the helium keeping it up there just like any other airship.
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Posted: 8/12/2024 8:39:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just another part of the long ongoing sad story of the de-industrialization and degrowth of the western world. Funnily enough, not so much done by an insidious conspiracy of bloodthirsty Satan worshiping pedophiles. But by their loyal cadre of MBA$ who are aggressively sacrificing the past and the future for an uncertain present. I tell this story a lot. But ISRO is one of the least corrupt outfits in India. When people ask why this is the reply is simple. Space is an utterly unforgiving environment and if you have corruption in your systems then you don't get to go to space. Boeing and their corruption has become a textbook example of this. With all the hardware they built or inherited at the end of the Cold War they should have had Starliner operational not long after the Shuttle was decomissioned. Now look at where we are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the latest in a long list of NASA failures in my lifetime. Who could have guessed that teaming up with a troubled Boeing would lead to something like this? Just another part of the long ongoing sad story of the de-industrialization and degrowth of the western world. Funnily enough, not so much done by an insidious conspiracy of bloodthirsty Satan worshiping pedophiles. But by their loyal cadre of MBA$ who are aggressively sacrificing the past and the future for an uncertain present. I tell this story a lot. But ISRO is one of the least corrupt outfits in India. When people ask why this is the reply is simple. Space is an utterly unforgiving environment and if you have corruption in your systems then you don't get to go to space. Boeing and their corruption has become a textbook example of this. With all the hardware they built or inherited at the end of the Cold War they should have had Starliner operational not long after the Shuttle was decomissioned. Now look at where we are. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 5:25:38 PM EST
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Additional comments on how Boeing's Starliner got in this predicament. Clearly a breakdown between Boeing in-house and external engineering teams where the thrusters were provided the wrong design criteria. The thrusters, and their troublesome valve seals, were tested and designed "correctly", but for the wrong conditions. Most likely traces back to the reported breakdown in communication between Boeing and their component vendors. Boeing didn't want to pay vendors for design changes. Curious if the root is someone at Boeing accidentally not relaying vehicle updates to vendors, or if it was a conscious decision to avoid paying for change requests. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 5:28:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Maybe if they made everything themselves like that silly upstart company this would not have been a problem... |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 5:29:15 PM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2024 5:37:46 PM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2024 5:41:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they sabotaged it, some disgruntled workers perhaps? It's just incompetence sprinkled with too-big-to-fail-we-will-be-bailed-out-anyways mentality. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 7:54:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The bad thrusters keep it from a controlled descent. It's the helium keeping it up there just like any other airship.Bwaahahaha. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:03:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bwaahahaha. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The bad thrusters keep it from a controlled descent. It's the helium keeping it up there just like any other airship.Bwaahahaha. 
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:12:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they sabotaged it, some disgruntled workers perhaps? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
If true, that bird is not taking anybody anywhere. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:25:10 PM EST
[#35]
Is Suni going to be the first woman to give birth in space?
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:29:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Suni going to be the first woman to give birth in space? If so, I sure hope she gives birth less than nine months after launch. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:34:58 PM EST
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So are the space suits, the big bulky ones too big if say one person could pilot the stricken vessel away from the station where the space arm could capture it? And secondly, if the big suits are too big for the docking port, what's the point of the slimmed down suits if they can't support an EVA?
I'm asking because if they could, why not send one out, undock, manuver to the arm, get captured, come back into the station, and come home and let them decide if they can salvage this cluster fuck or just lob this failure into the sun? Even if the suit couldn't facilitate life support functions independently, I would think that like SCUBA Theresa buddy breather protocol? |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:45:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So are the space suits, the big bulky ones too big if say one person could pilot the stricken vessel away from the station where the space arm could capture it? And secondly, if the big suits are too big for the docking port, what's the point of the slimmed down suits if they can't support an EVA? I'm asking because if they could, why not send one out, undock, manuver to the arm, get captured, come back into the station, and come home and let them decide if they can salvage this cluster fuck or just lob this failure into the sun? Even if the suit couldn't facilitate life support functions independently, I would think that like SCUBA Theresa buddy breather protocol? Lack of confidence in maneuvering is the whole problem. If it's not working right and tries to undock it could be a hazard to the entire ISS. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:50:48 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Suni going to be the first woman to give birth in space? Thanks man. Now That’s stuck in my mind’s eye. 
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Posted: 8/13/2024 10:45:08 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So are the space suits, the big bulky ones too big if say one person could pilot the stricken vessel away from the station where the space arm could capture it? And secondly, if the big suits are too big for the docking port, what's the point of the slimmed down suits if they can't support an EVA? I'm asking because if they could, why not send one out, undock, manuver to the arm, get captured, come back into the station, and come home and let them decide if they can salvage this cluster fuck or just lob this failure into the sun? Even if the suit couldn't facilitate life support functions independently, I would think that like SCUBA Theresa buddy breather protocol? Stayliner doesn't have the Delta V to make it to the sun. |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 8:08:31 AM EST
[#41]
Haven't read the entire thread. But has this been mentioned, and how does it fit in?
From June 13: NASA accidentally broadcasts simulation of distressed astronauts on space station |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 8:15:52 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Haven't read the entire thread. But has this been mentioned, and how does it fit in? From June 13: NASA accidentally broadcasts simulation of distressed astronauts on space station |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 10:38:18 AM EST
[#43]
Engineer talks in a disjointed manner about Stayliner's issues; replays the press conference in a reordered manner that makes more sense than his ramblings:
 Will Nasa Bring Back Starliner without their Crew? Engineer seems particularly disgruntled that the uniformed mob has seemingly been proven right, with no actual engineering data driving the hue & cry. |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 10:41:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lack of confidence in maneuvering is the whole problem. If it's not working right and tries to undock it could be a hazard to the entire ISS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So are the space suits, the big bulky ones too big if say one person could pilot the stricken vessel away from the station where the space arm could capture it? And secondly, if the big suits are too big for the docking port, what's the point of the slimmed down suits if they can't support an EVA? I'm asking because if they could, why not send one out, undock, manuver to the arm, get captured, come back into the station, and come home and let them decide if they can salvage this cluster fuck or just lob this failure into the sun? Even if the suit couldn't facilitate life support functions independently, I would think that like SCUBA Theresa buddy breather protocol? Lack of confidence in maneuvering is the whole problem. If it's not working right and tries to undock it could be a hazard to the entire ISS. But not long ago the ISS literally tossed a pallet of batteries overboard. So why couldn't they do that with starliner? |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 10:49:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But not long ago the ISS literally tossed a pallet of batteries overboard. So why couldn't they do that with starliner? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So are the space suits, the big bulky ones too big if say one person could pilot the stricken vessel away from the station where the space arm could capture it? And secondly, if the big suits are too big for the docking port, what's the point of the slimmed down suits if they can't support an EVA? I'm asking because if they could, why not send one out, undock, manuver to the arm, get captured, come back into the station, and come home and let them decide if they can salvage this cluster fuck or just lob this failure into the sun? Even if the suit couldn't facilitate life support functions independently, I would think that like SCUBA Theresa buddy breather protocol? Lack of confidence in maneuvering is the whole problem. If it's not working right and tries to undock it could be a hazard to the entire ISS. But not long ago the ISS literally tossed a pallet of batteries overboard. So why couldn't they do that with starliner? Does the Starliner have an attachment point for the Canadarm? |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 10:55:10 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the Starliner have an attachment point for the Canadarm? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So are the space suits, the big bulky ones too big if say one person could pilot the stricken vessel away from the station where the space arm could capture it? And secondly, if the big suits are too big for the docking port, what's the point of the slimmed down suits if they can't support an EVA? I'm asking because if they could, why not send one out, undock, manuver to the arm, get captured, come back into the station, and come home and let them decide if they can salvage this cluster fuck or just lob this failure into the sun? Even if the suit couldn't facilitate life support functions independently, I would think that like SCUBA Theresa buddy breather protocol? Lack of confidence in maneuvering is the whole problem. If it's not working right and tries to undock it could be a hazard to the entire ISS. But not long ago the ISS literally tossed a pallet of batteries overboard. So why couldn't they do that with starliner? Does the Starliner have an attachment point for the Canadarm? My memory says that the canadarm's end effector just needs something sticking out because it is literally three wires in a triangle that can be brought together to grab onto most anything. |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 10:56:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks man. Now That's stuck in my mind's eye. |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 10:59:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Engineer talks in a disjointed manner about Stayliner's issues; replays the press conference in a reordered manner that makes more sense than his ramblings:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4HF8fgSBFAEngineer seems particularly disgruntled that the uniformed mob has seemingly been proven right, with no actual engineering data driving the hue & cry. That guy is a dam engineer, not a damn engineer mind you but a dam and bridge engineer. No aerospace experience listed. Hardly an informed source for information. |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 12:12:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy is a dam engineer, not a damn engineer mind you but a dam and bridge engineer. No aerospace experience listed. Hardly an informed source for information. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Engineer talks in a disjointed manner about Stayliner's issues; replays the press conference in a reordered manner that makes more sense than his ramblings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4HF8fgSBFAEngineer seems particularly disgruntled that the uniformed mob has seemingly been proven right, with no actual engineering data driving the hue & cry. That guy is a dam engineer, not a damn engineer mind you but a dam and bridge engineer. No aerospace experience listed. Hardly an informed source for information. Boeing & NASA are much more trustworthy, true. |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 5:10:24 PM EST
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SpaceTuber's replay & commentary of yesterday's press conference, along w/ an appropriate song set to a tune you're very familiar w/:
 Decision on Boeing's Starliner postponed |
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