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10/20/2008 5:24:46 PM EDT
I have a stock Stag Model 2t brand new (less than 200 rounds). I was bump firing the other day....shooting very fast....., and it would fail to fully load about one in every 10 rounds. There was no primer strike, the gun was simply not pushing the round fully into the chamber, and I would have to hit the forward assist to make it load. I was using cheap Academy Barnaul lacquer 55gr FMJ (blue box), and the gun is well lubricated/cleaned. The gun has never had this problem when I shoot this ammo at a slower rate of fire.
Is the gun not broken it yet? Is my problem cheap ammo? Thoughts??
10/20/2008 4:02:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Are you bump firing from the hip?
10/20/2008 4:04:47 PM EDT
[#2]
yea i was shooting from the hip. I'm new to the AR by the way
10/20/2008 4:30:05 PM EDT
[#3]
Limpwristing.



...tag for what QUIB has to say...
10/20/2008 4:41:25 PM EDT
[#4]
why the hell would anyone want to bump fire..... Maybe Quib can straighten me out....
10/20/2008 5:00:51 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Limpwristing.



...tag for what QUIB has to say...


Correct.  When you bump fire, you can cause the energy from the recoil to be absorbed by your arm, hand, wrist, belly.  Everything BUT the spring is absorbing the recoil energy.

Similar to this:

When shooting a 55 Gallon steel drum with a 22LR, the round easily punches through the steel.  If you tried to 'push' the round through, by hand, the barrel would move instead.

It is about the inertia needed to allow the spring to compress, instead of your shoulder moving.

Holding it to your side destroys the intertia coefficient needed to cycle the action fully.

Effectively, this reduces the amount of spring tension/compression that is needed to rechamber the next round.

bump firing is bad, mmm-kay?  I have wasted waaaaaaay too many rounds doing it.

It's fun. It's addicting, but it is bad, mm-kay?

TRG
10/20/2008 5:26:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Yep.  I can't hardly get my saiga-12 to bumpfire for the same reason.  The gun recoils a little bit back while the bolt is recoiling, resulting in a failure to eject.
10/20/2008 5:26:45 PM EDT
[#7]
Get you an AK, then bump-fire at will.  Never had a problem with the AK bumping.  Hell, never had a problem of any kind with the AK, except I don't have enough ammo.
10/20/2008 5:32:11 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Limpwristing.



...tag for what QUIB has to say...


Correct.  When you bump fire, you can cause the energy from the recoil to be absorbed by your arm, hand, wrist, belly.  Everything BUT the spring is absorbing the recoil energy.

Similar to this:

When shooting a 55 Gallon steel drum with a 22LR, the round easily punches through the steel.  If you tried to 'push' the round through, by hand, the barrel would move instead.

It is about the inertia needed to allow the spring to compress, instead of your shoulder moving.

Holding it to your side destroys the intertia coefficient needed to cycle the action fully.

Effectively, this reduces the amount of spring tension/compression that is needed to rechamber the next round.

bump firing is bad, mmm-kay?  I have wasted waaaaaaay too many rounds doing it.

It's fun. It's addicting, but it is bad, mm-kay?

TRG




What about bump firing underwater?
10/20/2008 5:33:35 PM EDT
[#9]
Yesterday I was bumping a home built AK and I got a BAD jam in which the bolt jumped off the rail at the rear of the stroke. Is this a harbinger of bad things to come? It only happened one time in 100 rounds and the gun fired fine when I was not bumping the rest of the day.SS
10/20/2008 5:35:11 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Yesterday I was bumping a home built AK and I got a BAD jam in which the bolt jumped off the rail at the rear of the stroke. Is this a harbinger of bad things to come? It only happened one time in 100 rounds and the gun fired fine when I was not bumping the rest of the day.SS




Homebuilt reciever?  What do your upper rails look like?
10/20/2008 5:36:34 PM EDT
[#11]
My RRA entry tactical jammed while bumpfiring. I got rid of that p.o.s.
10/20/2008 5:45:10 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
My RRA entry tactical jammed while bump firing. I got rid of that p.o.s.


Please tell me my sarcasm meter is working here?


I've only bump fired a couple rifles a few times and never had a problem, with either an AR or AK.

I would not judge the firearm on how it does or doesn't do during a bump fire. No rifle was meant to be fired that way.
10/20/2008 6:18:09 PM EDT
[#13]
Sorry, not a home built receiver but built from a Ohio Ordnance works receiver and a parts kit. Rails don't look bad. Thanks. SS
10/20/2008 7:26:40 PM EDT
[#14]
good info thanks for the help. I'm glad there isn't something wrong with my gun. I'm not too disappointed, ammo costs keep me from bump firing much anyway, but it is fun.
10/21/2008 5:36:52 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Limpwristing.



...tag for what QUIB has to say...


Correct.  When you bump fire, you can cause the energy from the recoil to be absorbed by your arm, hand, wrist, belly.  Everything BUT the spring is absorbing the recoil energy.

Similar to this:

When shooting a 55 Gallon steel drum with a 22LR, the round easily punches through the steel.  If you tried to 'push' the round through, by hand, the barrel would move instead.

It is about the inertia needed to allow the spring to compress, instead of your shoulder moving.

Holding it to your side destroys the intertia coefficient needed to cycle the action fully.

Effectively, this reduces the amount of spring tension/compression that is needed to rechamber the next round.

bump firing is bad, mmm-kay?  I have wasted waaaaaaay too many rounds doing it.

It's fun. It's addicting, but it is bad, mm-kay?

TRG




What about bump firing underwater?


Perfectly safe.  I recommend it.

TRG