[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bushmaster Factory Closed (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/12/2011 11:03:11 AM EDT
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It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states.
That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. |
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Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. |
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Quoted: The northeast United States is the historical center of industry, where all of the major manufacturers originated (except Saint JMB of course).Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. |
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I have failed to find anywhere else that Bushmaster is to close. It is certainly not on their web page.Where does this information come from? http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1123924 |
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Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. It's the same for many businesses outside the gun industry. They set up shop in union friendly, high tax places with restrictive local and state governments. I believe that the idea is that being close to larger populations with good schools and big universities will give them access to an intelligent, experienced, well trained work force. |
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Quoted: Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. New York a right to work state?  If you want a job in NY you need to pay your Union lords for the privledge. I think PA is the same way too.Edit: looks like every Northeastern state North of VA requires people to pay their union masters to make a living.  |
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It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. It's the same for many businesses outside the gun industry. They set up shop in union friendly, high tax places with restrictive local and state governments. I believe that the idea is that being close to larger populations with good schools and big universities will give them access to an intelligent, experienced, well trained work force. Agreed. Being in the northeast they have access to a much higher concentration of people, and by virtue more highly educated people, as well as raw materials, contractors, and the major ports. The extra hoops they may have to jump through, taxes they have to pay, and unions they deals with are probably relatively easy to deal with; Hire a competent legal team and they can handle all 3 issues. I think it would be a big mistake for Freedom group to re-brand all BM products as Remington. Remington is marketed towards the hunting crowd while BM is known for their EBRs. Unfortunately, most f us know that the tactical and hunting crowd don't always like each other and can't be grouped together. If they do change, I'd love to see the marketing research to support the decision. |
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It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. New York a right to work state? If you want a job in NY you need to pay your Union lords for the privledge. I think PA is the same way too.
Edit: looks like every state North of VA requires people to pay their union masters to make a living. http://www.nrtw.org/images/us-map.gif I lived in NJ over 20 years, never joined a union, was never pressured to do so, and same story for my parents and extended family. At least in NJ it seemed that unions were limited to construction/electricians and grocery store workers (obviously not an all inclusive list). My family did experience union issues when doing business in Philly, though. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. New York a right to work state? If you want a job in NY you need to pay your Union lords for the privledge. I think PA is the same way too.Edit: looks like every Northeastern state North of VA requires people to pay their union masters to make a living. http://www.nrtw.org/images/us-map.gif I dont think you understand the right to work law, nor your chart. You arent forced to join a union to work, and unless you enter a contract you are free to leave, just like your employer is free to fire you. Here in PA you can fire everyone that wants to start up a union and get away with it. So Im going to have to assume were a right to work state. Outside of the coal mines, and some grocery stores here and there the unions are pretty much dead here in my neck of the woods. |
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It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. If you understood more about business - you would understand that gun manufacturers aren't pro-gun - they MANUFACTURE guns. They don't need to be liberal or conservative - they need to be business-focused. If they already have manufacturing facilities in NY that they can gain economies of scale, shared shipping, supply, administration, transportation etc. This lowers costs. Similarly - they will look for low rents/property costs, an available, skilled and low cost labor pool etc. They are in business to make money - not to lobby your favorite causes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. New York a right to work state? If you want a job in NY you need to pay your Union lords for the privledge. I think PA is the same way too.Edit: looks like every Northeastern state North of VA requires people to pay their union masters to make a living. http://www.nrtw.org/images/us-map.gif I dont think you understand the right to work law, nor your chart. You arent forced to join a union to work, and unless you enter a contract you are free to leave, just like your employer is free to fire you. Here in PA you can fire everyone that wants to start up a union and get away with it. So Im going to have to assume were a right to work state. Outside of the coal mines, and some grocery stores here and there the unions are pretty much dead here in my neck of the woods. Employement at will means employment can be terminted by the employee or employer at any time for any reason. Right to work has to do with being not being required to join a union and pay dues in order to have a job if the place is already unionized. These are two separate and different concepts. |
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I have failed to find anywhere else that Bushmaster is to close. It is certainly not on their web page.Where does this information come from? http://www.ammoland.com/2010/12/10/bushmaster-firearms-maine-factory-to-close/ |
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Quoted: Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. If you understood more about business - you would understand that gun manufacturers aren't pro-gun - they MANUFACTURE guns. They don't need to be liberal or conservative - they need to be business-focused. If they already have manufacturing facilities in NY that they can gain economies of scale, shared shipping, supply, administration, transportation etc. This lowers costs. Similarly - they will look for low rents/property costs, an available, skilled and low cost labor pool etc. They are in business to make money - not to lobby your favorite causes. I can't agree with this... there is a reason there are people they employ called lobbyists. If I manufacture pet rocks, and pet rocks are made illegal.... I can't sell my pet rocks anymore. That's not understanding business, to sit idly by and watch your market disappear. |
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It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. If you understood more about business - you would understand that gun manufacturers aren't pro-gun - they MANUFACTURE guns. They don't need to be liberal or conservative - they need to be business-focused. If they already have manufacturing facilities in NY that they can gain economies of scale, shared shipping, supply, administration, transportation etc. This lowers costs. Similarly - they will look for low rents/property costs, an available, skilled and low cost labor pool etc. They are in business to make money - not to lobby your favorite causes. I can't agree with this... there is a reason there are people they employ called lobbyists. If I manufacture pet rocks, and pet rocks are made illegal.... I can't sell my pet rocks anymore. That's not understanding business, to sit idly by and watch your market disappear. They USE lobbyists - they do not EMPLOY them. And lobbyists are used when and where needed - such as when legislation is being drafted or voted upon. That happens very infrequently. There is a huge difference between using a lobbyist for a pinpoint, specific purpose - and generic corporate political symbolic moves. It is expensive to locate in a state for the primary purpose of "voting with your feet". It is a rare company that can afford to do so - and everyone will quickly forget why you did it.... essentially eliminating the initial purpose of your symbolism. The American consumer is squeezing the hell out of corporate price points - and companies need to make decisions to ensure they are price competitive - or go out of business. Consumers CLAIM they want corporate values - but at the end of they day - those same consumers make buying decisions based on price, not values. Which is why high quality retailers have declined while the big-box, super cheap national discounters with the cheapest goods have thrived. |
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Quoted: I disagree about the rebrand, if it happens. It makes one more step toward the AR being seen as a Fudd gun, which is not a bad thing for our cause. One day they will be thought of no differently than a Garand, Springfield '03, or a Henry Rifle.Quoted: Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. It's the same for many businesses outside the gun industry. They set up shop in union friendly, high tax places with restrictive local and state governments. I believe that the idea is that being close to larger populations with good schools and big universities will give them access to an intelligent, experienced, well trained work force. Agreed. Being in the northeast they have access to a much higher concentration of people, and by virtue more highly educated people, as well as raw materials, contractors, and the major ports. The extra hoops they may have to jump through, taxes they have to pay, and unions they deals with are probably relatively easy to deal with; Hire a competent legal team and they can handle all 3 issues. I think it would be a big mistake for Freedom group to re-brand all BM products as Remington. Remington is marketed towards the hunting crowd while BM is known for their EBRs. Unfortunately, most f us know that the tactical and hunting crowd don't always like each other and can't be grouped together. If they do change, I'd love to see the marketing research to support the decision. |
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It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. We have that and more- And, Did you know we just got interstates in the south ? Thats right, and their even paved too.. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. We have that and more- And, Did you know we just got interstates in the south ? Thats right, and their even paved too.. I was going to bring up GA/SC/AL as better choices myself. FN seems to think so...and from my last stint in GA doing manufacturing, they have pretty good workers. Ok...the union shop I worked in briefly drove me nuts.... |
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Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. As much as people on this site hate the North and unions, NY'ers know how to work, work hard, and don't tend to half ass things. Many skilled employees there, as well. The one thing the South will never get right: solid, 100% work ethic. They do just enough work not to get fired, in trouble, and to pay the bills. Even the way things are, try to find solid employees down here. They don't exist.  |
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It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. If you understood more about business - you would understand that gun manufacturers aren't pro-gun - they MANUFACTURE guns. They don't need to be liberal or conservative - they need to be business-focused. If they already have manufacturing facilities in NY that they can gain economies of scale, shared shipping, supply, administration, transportation etc. This lowers costs. Similarly - they will look for low rents/property costs, an available, skilled and low cost labor pool etc. They are in business to make money - not to lobby your favorite causes. gun manufacturers aren't pro-gun - they MANUFACTURE guns This is sad but I think all too often true.
Although it is costly to move shops I refuse to accept that the NE is the only place you can find "smart" skilled people where companies have access to supply and facilities. Maybe this is the perception people of the NE but I think they would be thinking too highly of themselves. There are plenty of skilled very intelligent people all around the country in states that are more pro-gun with lower taxes, less regulation and have an abundance of manufacturing facilities available. These gun manufacturers are either complacent or fall into the boat of not pro gun, just manufacture. It's sad. |
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It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. New York is not a right to work state. |
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As much as people on this site hate the North and unions, NY'ers know how to work, work hard, and don't tend to half ass things. Many skilled employees there, as well. The one thing the South will never get right: solid, 100% work ethic. They do just enough work not to get fired, in trouble, and to pay the bills. Even the way things are, try to find solid employees down here. They don't exist.
Don't feed the troll. I am suprised they would move to NY as everyone else in business (not firearms, business. period.l) is going "South" literally. TX is sucking CA dry and laughing all the way to the bank. NJ is bleeding millionares like nobodies business and New York can't wait to drive more money out. I'm with the poster who wants to require them to move to TX and give us discounts.
If you want to stay closer to Population centers, the SE is very good and Florida is fairly pro business. I refuse to work in the Northeast or West Coast due to taxes and politics. They think I'm an ape anyway and I want no part of them. I brought my PhD to Texas. They had cold beer and bar-b-que. Also no income tax. That helps. Also my house is twice as big for half the price. Its a lot more than firearms and regular folks are picking up on it. Bushmaster/Reminton need too as well. |
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Sigh. Bushmaster is not going out of business. Right? I'm sure we'll still be able to buy/order new Bushmaster products for years to come.
Wonder why there's no press release about this on their web site? http://www.bushmaster.com/media_press_releases.asp |
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you know what. a shit load of you guys, and i'm not naming names, are just cocks. you guys years ago said "yeah get a bushmaster" then it was "bushmaster isn't teir 1" then when the rights to the masada were sold to bushmaster you guys were like "ah fuck not bushmaster" then when the rifle finally came out at twice the original stated price you guys were really screaming "fuck bushmaster!" and now its suddenly "oh shit bushmaster is gone!" and your bitching. i should probably have posted this in the bear pit but its hard calling out what seems like 1/2 of GD. seriously WTF. you shunned them, you bitched about them, and now they are gone. you got what you wanted now shut the fuck up. seriously. * and if your bemoaning the loss of bushmaster because you liked bushmaster and aren't a member of the aforementioned cocks please don't be offended. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It has ALWAYS perplexed me why so many big gun manufactures setup and keep shop in such anti-gun, high tax, liberal states. That would be like the largest manufacture of butt plugs marketed solely to the homosexual crowd being made in rural Indiana. It just doesn't make sense but it seems like every time I hear of a new company they are in located in New England. Access to raw materials, foundrys, outside source machine shops, interstates etc. Theres just more here in a compacted area that still makes it viable, unions or not. Plus Im pretty sure NY is a right to work state along the lines of places like here in PA. We have that and more- And, Did you know we just got interstates in the south ? Thats right, and their even paved too.. But the dental plan would probably be enough to make moving down your way less than feasible.  |
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Remington in Ilion, NY adds 100 jobs Seems they are moving to NY. Remington was given a sweetheart deal to expand by NYS, IIRC. |
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Quoted: you know what. a shit load of you guys, and i'm not naming names, are just cocks. you guys years ago said "yeah get a bushmaster" then it was "bushmaster isn't teir 1" then when the rights to the masada were sold to bushmaster you guys were like "ah fuck not bushmaster" then when the rifle finally came out at twice the original stated price you guys were really screaming "fuck bushmaster!" and now its suddenly "oh shit bushmaster is gone!" and your bitching. i should probably have posted this in the bear pit but its hard calling out what seems like 1/2 of GD. seriously WTF. you shunned them, you bitched about them, and now they are gone. you got what you wanted now shut the fuck up. seriously. * and if your bemoaning the loss of bushmaster because you liked bushmaster and aren't a member of the aforementioned cocks please don't be offended. Bushmaster shouldve given t-shirts, stickers, hats and BBQ sauce with their orders. They would still be an ARFCOM favorite. |
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This sucks as the 2011 Bushmaster catalog has some interesting things like a mid-length 16" with MOE furniture and also a MOE dissipator. It changes nothing. The Bushmaster product line will still be available. It makes business sense for the parent company to make twoAR lines out of one factory if possible. |