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9/10/2002 8:07:53 AM EDT
I have an idea for an "adjustable" butt pad/stock that would clamp directly to the receiver extension.  I envision this on the carbine (collapsible) type of receiver extension thus giving the max range of travel.

My question is if it's legal to put on an adjustable butt plate (and I'm thinking it would be just as legal to install it on the shorter receiver extension, say like one of those new entry type butt stocks),  when does adjustable become collapsible?
9/10/2002 11:01:18 AM EDT
[#1]
well i suggest u come up with a prototype and run it by ATF to c if its post ban legal.
u can also send em a scematic or something.

i dont really like to say that but since im not a lawyer i suggest going straight to the people that have the word on the matter.
9/10/2002 12:36:50 PM EDT
[#2]
If there were, say, notches and ridges on the sides of the receiver extension, and you had to take apart the stock (say a left half and right half) to change positions, it would probably be legal.  If it had any forward/rearward movement while attached, it would not be.

-Troy
9/10/2002 2:55:34 PM EDT
[#3]
I was thinking a double split ring type affair with a hex head screw similar to like how you would adjust the height of a bicycle seat.  A vertical dove tail on the end would hold the butt plate at different heights and angles.

2 twists of the allen screws and you would be able to push it all the way in, no longer than a collapsible stock.
9/10/2002 6:31:48 PM EDT
[#4]
Well I just don't think the BATF is the one to ask.

They don't approve the laws "WE THE PEOPLE" make.  They are my hired servants that enforce them.
9/11/2002 8:45:31 AM EDT
[#5]
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Well I just don't think the BATF is the one to ask.

They don't approve the laws "WE THE PEOPLE" make.  They are my hired servants that enforce them.
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halfcocked agree with u but unforntly thats not the way the Goverment see's it.
9/11/2002 1:24:53 PM EDT
[#6]
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2 twists of the allen screws and you would be able to push it all the way in, no longer than a collapsible stock.
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This would not pass as legal, as the stock is able to collapse.

-Troy
9/11/2002 6:04:33 PM EDT
[#7]
I'm not trying to put anybody "here" into a corner, but what's the law say?

1 screw?

2 screws?

Needs a tool of some sort and is not readily adjustable with out one?

Can't be shorter than an entry stock with a travel greater than X inches?
9/11/2002 7:01:59 PM EDT
[#8]
The law says that folding and/or collapsable stocks count as an "evil item".  It is up to the controling agency (BATF in this case) to create the necessary regulations to apply this law to actual situations.  BATF has said that if the stock can be collapsed (i.e., moved front to back on the tube) at all, it isn't post-ban legal.

Again, you could make an ADJUSTABLE stock, which required the stock to be removed and replaced (in a different position), and that would likely be legal.  But if it can slide along the tube, it won't be approved.  You could also make stocks with replacable plastic "stock" pieces of different lengths that could be exchanged to modify the length, but there could only be one attachment point so that there could be no adjustment.

-Troy
9/12/2002 3:17:33 PM EDT
[#9]
Having just spoken to a guy who manufactures parts, he relayed to me, the ATF looks for telescoping as a major definition of "collapsable." His AR stock was a tube with a butt plate clamped on the end. By loosening the clamp you could adjust the length of the stock by about 1". Since it telescoped, ATF told him it was collapsable and an EVIL feature.