[ARCHIVED THREAD] - CHL Poll (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/15/2012 6:31:21 AM EDT
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Do you think that people should be able to carry handguns without having to get a permission slip from the government, or is licensing a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms? |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms? 
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads 
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive 
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I believe in personal responsibility. Shoot yourself, it's on you. Shoot someone you shouldn't, it's on you.
More people would carry if there was no CCW required. Many of them shouldn't because they are dumbasses, but I err on the side of freedom ALWAYS. Hate to break it to you guys, but some of the Fudds at the range have their fucking CCW! I've had them in classes and personally unfucked many, many of them. |
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Quoted: Do you think that people should be able to carry handguns without having to get a permission slip from the government, or is licensing a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms? Move up here to Alaska. We need no permits. |
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CCW permits are Jim Crow inventions. It's a total shame how it's OK to require people to get a license and pay a fee to exercise 1 constitutional right but it's not OK to ID people to make sure they have another right that's not even spelled out in the constitution.  |
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Who the hell voted yes? I did. Not because I believe in gun control, but you learn a lot about the law regarding the use of deadly force. I say give anyone and everyone a permit, but make them learn a few things about the responsibility of carrying first. |
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First, what is the point of a question like this on a board like this? Exactly what answers do you think you should get?
Second, no, because carrying a gun is a Constitutional right, unlike driving a car. Beyond not allowing criminals and mentally ill to have guns, laws should be taken with extreme skepticism. However, I do believe that proper gun handling should be taught in schools. Not even necessarily firing a gun, but simply classes that cover what to do if you come across one. Practical application can be done with handgun trainer models. They could even be rigged with pressure sensitive triggers that light when the trigger is maniuplated. At least this way, no one can say they had not idea what to do with a gun that they came across. |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. How is having to pass a class to carry infringing on a persons right to own a gun? Wouldn't having people take the class actually support the whole "well regulated" part!? by teaching them about firearms |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. How is having to pass a class infringing on a persons right to own a gun? Two reasons: 1) If you believe the RKBA is a natural right, then you believe that having to "ask permission" to carry is an infringement of that right. 2) On a more practical level, a test can be made so difficult that no one can pass, and become a de facto ban on CCW. |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. How is having to pass a class infringing on a persons right to own a gun? Two reasons: 1) If you believe the RKBA is a natural right, then you believe that having to "ask permission" to carry is an infringement of that right. 2) On a more practical level, a test can be made so difficult that no one can pass, and become a de facto ban on CCW. Exactly and they haven't, so take the tinfoil off |
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Wouldn't having people take the class actually support the whole "well regulated" part!? I see you edited. "Regulated" during the the ratification of the Bill of Rights is understood to mean "put in to working order," not "subject to legislation." Other examples of "well regulated." |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. How is having to pass a class infringing on a persons right to own a gun? Two reasons: 1) If you believe the RKBA is a natural right, then you believe that having to "ask permission" to carry is an infringement of that right. 2) On a more practical level, a test can be made so difficult that no one can pass, and become a de facto ban on CCW. Ask? I didn't think that's what SHALL issue meant |
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Wouldn't having people take the class actually support the whole "well regulated" part!? I see you edited. "Regulated" during the the ratification of the Bill of Rights is understood to mean "put in to working order," not "subject to legislation." Other examples of "well regulated." Exactly, so who would you rather have, someone with or without any kind of training fighting beside you?! 
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. How is having to pass a class infringing on a persons right to own a gun? Two reasons: 1) If you believe the RKBA is a natural right, then you believe that having to "ask permission" to carry is an infringement of that right. 2) On a more practical level, a test can be made so difficult that no one can pass, and become a de facto ban on CCW. Ask? I didn't think that's what SHALL issue meant I have a CHL in a "shall issue" state and I sure as shit had to ASK 
Amazing, there's one in every crowd. |
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Wouldn't having people take the class actually support the whole "well regulated" part!? I see you edited. "Regulated" during the the ratification of the Bill of Rights is understood to mean "put in to working order," not "subject to legislation." Other examples of "well regulated." Exactly, so who would you rather have, someone with or without any kind of training fighting beside you?! I would rather have someone who seeks out the training themselves rather than sinking down to the government mandated minimum. I never took a class for my CCW, and yet, I have had plenty of training with handguns... funny how that works. 
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Exactly and they haven't, so take the tinfoil off Yes they have. See Orange County "May Issue" CHLs. so like what 2% of the country is like that? people should move or vote for change. If they are happy where they live, who am i to judge. Im' for SHALL issue, as stated above |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. How is having to pass a class infringing on a persons right to own a gun? Two reasons: 1) If you believe the RKBA is a natural right, then you believe that having to "ask permission" to carry is an infringement of that right. 2) On a more practical level, a test can be made so difficult that no one can pass, and become a de facto ban on CCW. Ask? I didn't think that's what SHALL issue meant I have a CHL in a "shall issue" state and I sure as shit had to ASK
Amazing, there's one in every crowd. how did you have to ask? you took a test,sent in the paperwork, and they gave you your license...right?! |
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Exactly and they haven't, so take the tinfoil off Yes they have. See Orange County "May Issue" CHLs. so like what 2% of the country is like that? people should move or vote for change. If they are happy where they live, who am i to judge. Im' for SHALL issue, as stated above Well, good. I guess your heart is in the right place, but I politely suggest that you take these arguments in stride, think it over some more. You'll see that I'm right. I know people can get defensive having to back up their own words in an argument, but seriously the state of california INFRINGES on the rights of its citizens to carry a pistol for self defense. They do that by "legalizing" CCW and making it impossibly hard to get. It is––as I said earlier–– a de facto ban. No need for tin-foil. |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. How is having to pass a class infringing on a persons right to own a gun? Two reasons: 1) If you believe the RKBA is a natural right, then you believe that having to "ask permission" to carry is an infringement of that right. 2) On a more practical level, a test can be made so difficult that no one can pass, and become a de facto ban on CCW. Ask? I didn't think that's what SHALL issue meant I have a CHL in a "shall issue" state and I sure as shit had to ASK
Amazing, there's one in every crowd. how did you have to ask? you took a test,sent in the paperwork, and they gave you your license...right?! ask [ask, ahsk] verb (used with object) 4.to solicit from; request of: I had to ASK the state for permission to exercise a constitutional right. I'm not sure how you could possibly be confused about this. |
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Exactly and they haven't, so take the tinfoil off Yes they have. See Orange County "May Issue" CHLs. so like what 2% of the country is like that? people should move or vote for change. If they are happy where they live, who am i to judge. Im' for SHALL issue, as stated above Well, good. I guess your heart is in the right place, but I politely suggest that you take these arguments in stride, think it over some more. You'll see that I'm right. I know people can get defensive having to back up their own words in an argument, but seriously the state of california INFRINGES on the rights of its citizens to carry a pistol for self defense. They do that by "legalizing" CCW and making it impossibly hard to get. It is––as I said earlier–– a de facto ban. No need for tin-foil. Not defensive, just stating my position/wasting time. Its also legal to eat road kill in Tennessee, if that's how the locals want to roll then whatevs
Whats that quote?.. "people get the government they deserve"?! |
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I see you are arguing on the internet. Did you fill out your paperwork for free speech? You may want to get your unreasonable search and seizure license paperwork in too, so when the cops pull you over with no RS, you can just flash that motherfucker––otherwise you are getting pulled out of your car and searched. Don't bother with the 8th amendment "cruel and unusual punishment" protection fees. You're not a criminal and don't need it.......right? |
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how did you have to ask? you took a test,sent in the paperwork, and they gave you your license...right?! What happens if you "fail the test?" From what I've heard/understand, you have to be brain dead to "fail" But to answer, you don't get to carry. Has nothing to do with owning |
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Who the hell voted yes? People who think licensing is a common sense measure which limits the number of criminals and unstable people carrying firearms?
People who read the " you should have seen the idiot at the range" threads
All states should be shall issue, as long as the person passes a safety class. I mean, you have to pass a test just to drive Driving. NOT in the Bill of Rights. How is having to pass a class infringing on a persons right to own a gun? Two reasons: 1) If you believe the RKBA is a natural right, then you believe that having to "ask permission" to carry is an infringement of that right. 2) On a more practical level, a test can be made so difficult that no one can pass, and become a de facto ban on CCW. Ask? I didn't think that's what SHALL issue meant I have a CHL in a "shall issue" state and I sure as shit had to ASK
Amazing, there's one in every crowd. how did you have to ask? you took a test,sent in the paperwork, and they gave you your license...right?! ask [ask, ahsk] verb (used with object) 4.to solicit from; request of: I had to ASK the state for permission to exercise a constitutional right. I'm not sure how you could possibly be confused about this. To own a gun? |
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how did you have to ask? you took a test,sent in the paperwork, and they gave you your license...right?! What happens if you "fail the test?" From what I've heard/understand, you have to be brain dead to "fail" But to answer, you don't get to carry. Has nothing to do with owning So that covers "keep"––what about "bear"? |
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CPT_CAVEMAN. I see you are arguing on the internet. Did you fill out your paperwork for free speech? You may want to get your unreasonable search and seizure license paperwork in too, so when the cops pull you over with no RS, you can just flash that motherfucker––otherwise you are getting pulled out of your car and searched. Don't bother with the 8th amendment "cruel and unusual punishment" protection fees. You're not a criminal and don't need it.......right? No, but I also understand that I cant post titties in GD, or look for/talk about illegal stuff( or shouldn't) Cops would still do that shit anyway, they can come up with any number of things for RS |