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6/12/2010 4:29:31 PM EDT
I have here a bone fragment found by my Father way back in the day.General Grant's headquarters was in the house next to us so this might have something to do with it.The question is which is it,animal or human?To me it looks like it has a bullet hole in the circular area.It also has burn marks on one end.Maybe you guys on here can figure it out.Thanks.






















6/12/2010 4:34:33 PM EDT
[#1]
Size seems indicitive of a tibia/fibia.

That said, the only way you'll figure it out is if there is any viable DNA to test.
6/12/2010 4:55:22 PM EDT
[#2]
It's a boner!
6/12/2010 5:48:56 PM EDT
[#3]
Clearly possum penis.
6/12/2010 5:50:10 PM EDT
[#4]
It's a dikfer.


























Srsly, have to get it DNA'd to know for sure.
6/12/2010 5:58:01 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
It's a dikfer.




























Srsly, have to get it DNA'd to know for sure.


6/12/2010 9:11:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Just got to love 12 year old children.Please go back to your schools.
6/12/2010 9:14:17 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Clearly possum penis.


too jagged.  I'd say possum femur.
6/12/2010 9:15:08 PM EDT
[#8]
With it being burnt, it kinda makes you think it may be some sort of animal that was grilled up.

Other than that, I have no idea.
6/12/2010 9:15:39 PM EDT
[#9]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Clearly possum penis.




too jagged.  I'd say possum femur.


Damn,another hit by a sixth grader.



 
6/12/2010 9:17:05 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Clearly possum penis.


too jagged.  I'd say possum femur.

Damn,another hit by a sixth grader.
 


it's the best I can do from a photograph
6/12/2010 9:17:29 PM EDT
[#11]
Are there any universities in your area?   You could check one of those probably.  Other than that, look online and see where you would go to find someone?  

Good luck finding out.   Keep the thread updated
6/12/2010 9:19:51 PM EDT
[#12]



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Are there any universities in your area?   You could check one of those probably.  Other than that, look online and see where you would go to find someone?  



Good luck finding out.   Keep the thread updated


Thanks for a reasonable reply.I might do that.



 
6/12/2010 9:20:21 PM EDT
[#13]
I can forward the pics to a Forensic Anthropologist if you want a professional opinion.
6/12/2010 9:24:23 PM EDT
[#14]



Quoted:


I can forward the pics to a Forensic Anthropologist if you want a professional opinion.


Yes.If you could do this please do so.I think it is a Tibia after researching it a little more.I just want to know.



 
6/12/2010 9:27:25 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:

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I can forward the pics to a Forensic Anthropologist if you want a professional opinion.

Yes.If you could do this please do so.I think it is a Tibia after researching it a little more.I just want to know.
 




Will do, I'll let you know as soon as she answers back.
6/12/2010 9:27:43 PM EDT
[#16]
Could have been from an amputation.  Most such limbs were burned although this one looks like it was burned after decomposition.
6/12/2010 9:41:08 PM EDT
[#17]





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I can forward the pics to a Forensic Anthropologist if you want a professional opinion.



Yes.If you could do this please do so.I think it is a Tibia after researching it a little more.I just want to know.


 

Will do, I'll let you know as soon as she answers back.



Thanks Mr Mojo Rising and KeithJ I sort of think the same.Guy might have had lower leg cut off and they burned the remains.Good night.





 
6/14/2010 9:07:28 AM EDT
[#18]
Her response....

Can you provide 2 more pics?

I would like to see a cross section picture to observe the diaphysis cross section plus a picture showing what looks like the linea aspera of a femur (picture 3 seems to show a linea aspera).





ETA: Her pic 3 is your pic 4.
6/14/2010 9:36:52 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Size seems indicitive of a tibia/fibia.

That said, the only way you'll figure it out is if there is any viable DNA to test.





Tibia, Fibula.

Common mistake.

And a good Forensic Anthro will sort that with no need for DNA.

6/14/2010 9:39:52 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Could have been from an amputation.  Most such limbs were burned although this one looks like it was burned after decomposition.


What makes you think this?
6/14/2010 4:03:17 PM EDT
[#21]
More pics coming soon.Diaphysis cross section?


Linea Aspera






Diaphysis cross section






and another









Thanks again MrMojoRising and your friend for the help.If my Diaphysis cross section pic is not good enough I can take another.





 
6/14/2010 4:07:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Crack Pipe?



6/14/2010 4:23:42 PM EDT
[#23]
Looks like a bone to me. Probably once part of a living creature.

Best I can do for you. Forensic anthro & DNA stuff are interesting but well outside my area.

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6/14/2010 4:26:31 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
More pics coming soon.Diaphysis cross section?




A pic looking straight on at the ends of the bone.
6/14/2010 4:38:17 PM EDT
[#25]
Also asking for a better pic of this area....

6/14/2010 4:43:25 PM EDT
[#26]
A couple of things.

1) May be animal bone because back in the day, folks would break open the bones for marrow for soup/broth.
2) The burn marks reinforce this food theory in my mind as encamped troops would be at a campfire.
3) Often on animal remains, you will see tool marks were tissues was cut/scraped from the bone.

It looks like a metatarsal of a deer to me.
6/14/2010 4:43:48 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Size seems indicitive of a tibia/fibia.

That said, the only way you'll figure it out is if there is any viable DNA to test.





Tibia, Fibula.

Common mistake.

And a good Forensic Anthro will sort that with no need for DNA.

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/05/99105-004-A031C53B.jpg


Huh, I didn't know that.  Thanks!
6/14/2010 4:55:49 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
A couple of things.

1) May be animal bone because back in the day, folks would break open the bones for marrow for soup/broth.
2) The burn marks reinforce this food theory in my mind as encamped troops would be at a campfire.
3) Often on animal remains, you will see tool marks were tissues was cut/scraped from the bone.

It looks like a metatarsal of a deer to me.




That would be one long legged deer.


6/14/2010 5:02:29 PM EDT
[#29]
6 inch bone...know what I mean.

Just kidding. It's not that wide from the picture, a little over an inch in diameter. Maybe, it's an arm bone.
6/14/2010 5:20:04 PM EDT
[#30]
I hate to bust balls but if you could take the pics like they were in the first post it would be better.

Solid background, with the tape measure for scale.

6/14/2010 5:34:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Alright, I am going to redoe them and post them asap. Thanks a lot for your help!!!



Linea Aspera





Diaphysis Cross Section





Diaphysis Cross Section





Better I hope.


6/14/2010 6:08:32 PM EDT
[#32]
That should work.

I'll let you know what she says.
6/14/2010 6:16:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Looking forward to it.

6/14/2010 6:24:37 PM EDT
[#34]
Tag
6/14/2010 6:39:17 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Clearly possum penis.


Made me spill my beer.
6/14/2010 6:39:49 PM EDT
[#36]
Tag for the verdict.  Hoffa?
6/15/2010 4:23:30 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:

That would be one long legged deer.

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/museum/zoology/bagful/1942.JPG


Can't find a Deer metatarsal but here is a Moose for comparison to a humans.

6/15/2010 7:12:24 AM EDT
[#38]
Her reply after the last pics.....


It looks like a human tibia to me... I wouldn't be 100% sure *just* by looking at pictures but the cross section geometry, size and overall appearance matches a human tibia.




It's tough to give solid answers without microscopy, but that should give you something to go on.


6/15/2010 7:30:34 AM EDT
[#39]
Sounds like it from the specialist.

That bone was not broken for marrow, those aren't green bone fractures.  The dimensions don't like right for deer.
6/15/2010 7:31:47 AM EDT
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6/15/2010 7:40:05 AM EDT
[#41]
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First post actually nailed it!

6/15/2010 5:29:40 PM EDT
[#42]
Damn,that is pretty cool.I have another item for the gory war items collection.Tell the Anthropologist (Thanks) for me.Arfcom can figure anything out.Let me post another pic of some bullets found on the same property we own.Notice the right one has tooth marks on it.Bite the bullet so to say.Bite on this while we saw.
Might have to get the metal detector out and search for some more Civil War artifacts