Posted: 10/28/2015 10:05:53 PM EDT
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Yes, I realize there is a Canadian HTF, but GD is better for pretty much any question than any other subforum.
Some friends and I are planning on a trip into the Ontario wilderness next year. One of the things we are planning is, obviously, what firearms to take. The only question I haven't been able to answer is how a barrel is measure on a revolver. I know US and Florida law on the subject, and I expect Canadian law will be the same. That said, how is a revolver barrel measured in Canada: forcing cone to muzzle or back of cylinder to muzzle? |
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How it is measured is irrelevant because you cannot bring a handgun into Canada. Period. End of discussion.
You can bring some rifles and shotguns. A quick primer on the subject: Nothing military. Most of it is prohibited or restricted, which means you cannot reasonably bring anything that would approach that we know of as a modern sporting rifle. You'll be okay with your basic fudd guns (bolt and lever guns, pumps, and basic semis like Browning BAR, Rem 7400's, Ruger Minis). All Magazine must be five round or less capacity. Unless its a .22, leave any short barreled stuff at home. Look up Canadian Firearm Center. You can download and print the paperwork you'll need to complete at the border. About $25 CDN and you can bring the gun in for about 60 days IIRC. Bring a case and a trigger lock. Law requires that guns be transported cased with locks. And bring your ammo. You won't be able to but it in Canada since you don't have the proper id. Canadian Border Security doesnt need a reason to turn you away at the border. Getting mouthy with CBS just pretty much ensures that the officer in question will find your behavior a potential risk and turn you away. A LOT of US residents can't seem to understand that the second amendment doesn't apply in foreign countries. Bring your fudd gun, do the paperwork, have a great trip but leave the handgun at home. As for carry in wilderness, keep reading. You need the correct paperwork, which means background, clearances, training, etc. If you were a bonafide canadian trapper, running a trap line full time, you might be able to get the appropriate license. That permit is virtually impossible for residents. A nonresident? Not happening. But keep reading..... As a non resident, you'll basically never get the appropriate authorization to transport, meaning you aren't leaving the port of entry with that handgun. The handgun carry license for wilderness is sorta like a carry permit in NYC. It exists in theory, but mere mortals aren't nearly well connected enough to ever get one. Fro |
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How it is measured is irrelevant because you cannot bring a handgun into Canada. Period. End of discussion. You can bring some rifles and shotguns. A quick primer on the subject: Nothing military. Most of it is prohibited or restricted, which means you cannot reasonably bring anything that would approach that we know of as a modern sporting rifle. You'll be okay with your basic fudd guns (bolt and lever guns, pumps, and basic semis like Browning BAR, Rem 7400's, Ruger Minis). All Magazine must be five round or less capacity. Unless its a .22, leave any short barreled stuff at home. Look up Canadian Firearm Center. You can download and print the paperwork you'll need to complete at the border. About $25 CDN and you can bring the gun in for about 60 days IIRC. Bring a case and a trigger lock. Law requires that guns be transported cased with locks. And bring your ammo. You won't be able to but it in Canada since you don't have the proper id. Fro +1 No flame, OP, but did you really think you'd be able to bring a handgun into Canada and actually carry it? |
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+1 No flame, OP, but did you really think you'd be able to bring a handgun into Canada and actually carry it? Quoted:
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How it is measured is irrelevant because you cannot bring a handgun into Canada. Period. End of discussion. You can bring some rifles and shotguns. A quick primer on the subject: Nothing military. Most of it is prohibited or restricted, which means you cannot reasonably bring anything that would approach that we know of as a modern sporting rifle. You'll be okay with your basic fudd guns (bolt and lever guns, pumps, and basic semis like Browning BAR, Rem 7400's, Ruger Minis). All Magazine must be five round or less capacity. Unless its a .22, leave any short barreled stuff at home. Look up Canadian Firearm Center. You can download and print the paperwork you'll need to complete at the border. About $25 CDN and you can bring the gun in for about 60 days IIRC. Bring a case and a trigger lock. Law requires that guns be transported cased with locks. And bring your ammo. You won't be able to but it in Canada since you don't have the proper id. Fro +1 No flame, OP, but did you really think you'd be able to bring a handgun into Canada and actually carry it? Because their customs website said I could? (With a lot of restrictions, hence the muzzle length question.) If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I was going off a Canadian government website which went into great detail about exactly how to bring in a pistol. So I don't know what to say. |
| I'd suggest bringing something fuddish as 99% of the good stuff is either restricted (needs a permit to carry, basically unobtainable) or flat out illegal. A cheap pump shotgun or .30-30 would likely keep you below the radar and be adequate for most of the four and two legged threats you'll likely encounter. |
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I think the only thing you can bring in are unrestricted firearms. That means no manually operated shotgun with a barrel shorter than 8" (?) and no semi auto rifle/shotgun with barrel below 18.5". For semi autos there isn't much allowed, 18" Tavor, CZ-58 with 18", Swiss Arms (not 556) M-14s, Ruger Mini-14, ACR. Maybe a few others.
Not too sure what you can even do without a license there. Can you hunt? |
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Canadian Border Security doesnt need a reason to turn you away at the border. Getting mouthy with CBS just pretty much ensures that the officer in question will find your behavior a potential risk and turn you away. A LOT of US residents can't seem to understand that the second amendment doesn't apply in foreign countries. Bring your fudd gun, do the paperwork, have a great trip but leave the handgun at home. Fro Thanks. Honestly--I realize a lot of people need to read things like that. That said, I've been out of the county a lot, and I have dealt with a lot of different customs agencies. I'll bend over backwards if they ask it. And I started the OP because the other guys in the group wanted me to figure out the answers to firearms. I was planning to bring some type of 12 gauge if anything at all. |
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Here you got:
http://canada.usembassy.gov/traveling_to_canada/bringing-weapons-into-canada.html Looks like you can bring restricted, but you need an ATT in advance and have to pay fees/get signed off at the board. Remember restricted firearms can only be used at designated shooting ranges so you can't carry your pistol with you. Same with any AR. |
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Because their customs website said I could? (With a lot of restrictions, hence the muzzle length question.) If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I was going off a Canadian government website which went into great detail about exactly how to bring in a pistol. So I don't know what to say. Quoted:
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How it is measured is irrelevant because you cannot bring a handgun into Canada. Period. End of discussion. You can bring some rifles and shotguns. A quick primer on the subject: Nothing military. Most of it is prohibited or restricted, which means you cannot reasonably bring anything that would approach that we know of as a modern sporting rifle. You'll be okay with your basic fudd guns (bolt and lever guns, pumps, and basic semis like Browning BAR, Rem 7400's, Ruger Minis). All Magazine must be five round or less capacity. Unless its a .22, leave any short barreled stuff at home. Look up Canadian Firearm Center. You can download and print the paperwork you'll need to complete at the border. About $25 CDN and you can bring the gun in for about 60 days IIRC. Bring a case and a trigger lock. Law requires that guns be transported cased with locks. And bring your ammo. You won't be able to but it in Canada since you don't have the proper id. Fro +1 No flame, OP, but did you really think you'd be able to bring a handgun into Canada and actually carry it? Because their customs website said I could? (With a lot of restrictions, hence the muzzle length question.) If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I was going off a Canadian government website which went into great detail about exactly how to bring in a pistol. So I don't know what to say. They didn't mention actual carry of the pistol did they? The provisions for bringing a pistol are geared towards organised competition only from what I've read in the past. My boy's Red Ryders were temporarily impounded at the border last summer because they changed the rules from the previous summer and now Red Ryders are too dangerous to own without a permit. 
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grab your 12 gauge Rem 870 with the 20" barrel and you are totally okay. No problems. Forget the SPAS 12 or your Saiga AK 12.
Bring it up. Fill out the paperwork. Pay the $25 or so. That guns doesn't legally require a trigger lock, but the clowns at CBS are pretty poorly trained. Lock it anyways, and it keeps the clowns happy. Carry the completed paperwork with you and you are good to go. Sidebar: You can bring the large industrial sized container of bear repellent Spray and its totally okay. However, the small pocket sized container of OC or MACE spray is considered a "restricted" weapon and is in the same class of prohibited stuff as AR15s. Totally fucking stupid, but that is what the laws read. If its labelled for self defense its prohibited. If its labelled for use on animals, its good to go. Even though the animal control stuff is usually just four times more OC in a a bigger can. I shit you not....
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grab your 12 gauge Rem 870 with the 20" barrel and you are totally okay. No problems. Forget the SPAS 12 or your Saiga AK 12. Bring it up. Fill out the paperwork. Pay the $25 or so. That guns doesn't legally require a trigger lock, but the clowns at CBS are pretty poorly trained. Lock it anyways, and it keeps the clowns happy. Carry the completed paperwork with you and you are good to go. Sidebar: You can bring the large industrial sized container of bear repellent Spray and its totally okay. However, the small pocket sized container of OC or MACE spray is considered a "restricted" weapon and is in the same class of prohibited stuff as AR15s. Totally fucking stupid, but that is what the laws read. If its labelled for self defense its prohibited. If its labelled for use on animals, its good to go. Even though the animal control stuff is usually just four times more OC in a a bigger can. I shit you not....This is exactly my plan. I've actually been looking for a 20 inch barrel for my 870... |
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I think the only thing you can bring in are unrestricted firearms. That means no manually operated shotgun with a barrel shorter than 8" (?) and no semi auto rifle/shotgun with barrel below 18.5". For semi autos there isn't much allowed, 18" Tavor, CZ-58 with 18", Swiss Arms (not 556) M-14s, Ruger Mini-14, ACR. Maybe a few others. Not too sure what you can even do without a license there. Can you hunt? Non semi automatic centerfire firearms must be greater than 26" in length. Ar-15s are restricted by name, you can only use them at certified gun ranges. Sawed off firearms must have a barrel length greater than 18". Restricted handgun minimum barrel length is 4.15". |
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Because their customs website said I could? (With a lot of restrictions, hence the muzzle length question.) If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I was going off a Canadian government website which went into great detail about exactly how to bring in a pistol. So I don't know what to say. Quoted:
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How it is measured is irrelevant because you cannot bring a handgun into Canada. Period. End of discussion. You can bring some rifles and shotguns. A quick primer on the subject: Nothing military. Most of it is prohibited or restricted, which means you cannot reasonably bring anything that would approach that we know of as a modern sporting rifle. You'll be okay with your basic fudd guns (bolt and lever guns, pumps, and basic semis like Browning BAR, Rem 7400's, Ruger Minis). All Magazine must be five round or less capacity. Unless its a .22, leave any short barreled stuff at home. Look up Canadian Firearm Center. You can download and print the paperwork you'll need to complete at the border. About $25 CDN and you can bring the gun in for about 60 days IIRC. Bring a case and a trigger lock. Law requires that guns be transported cased with locks. And bring your ammo. You won't be able to but it in Canada since you don't have the proper id. Fro +1 No flame, OP, but did you really think you'd be able to bring a handgun into Canada and actually carry it? Because their customs website said I could? (With a lot of restrictions, hence the muzzle length question.) If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I was going off a Canadian government website which went into great detail about exactly how to bring in a pistol. So I don't know what to say. I think that's along the lines of the old marijuana tax stamps, more theoretical than anything else.  Yes, I'm sure there's a way to bring it in but you can't carry it or even shoot it out in the woods. One big difference between Canada and the U.S. is they don't allow hunting with a handgun up there so that right away eliminates a reason to have one out in the woods.
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Take your 870 with slugs for bear and some buckshot for other stuff.
The pistol stuff is probably for the "travel through" Canada, like WA to AK. On that trip you do not get to do a lot of off of the main route site seeing. None of the meander through Canada for a month or two with a handgun. That is how I recall it. But it has been a few years. |
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Quoted: Because their customs website said I could? (With a lot of restrictions, hence the muzzle length question.) If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I was going off a Canadian government website which went into great detail about exactly how to bring in a pistol. So I don't know what to say. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How it is measured is irrelevant because you cannot bring a handgun into Canada. Period. End of discussion. You can bring some rifles and shotguns. A quick primer on the subject: Nothing military. Most of it is prohibited or restricted, which means you cannot reasonably bring anything that would approach that we know of as a modern sporting rifle. You'll be okay with your basic fudd guns (bolt and lever guns, pumps, and basic semis like Browning BAR, Rem 7400's, Ruger Minis). All Magazine must be five round or less capacity. Unless its a .22, leave any short barreled stuff at home. Look up Canadian Firearm Center. You can download and print the paperwork you'll need to complete at the border. About $25 CDN and you can bring the gun in for about 60 days IIRC. Bring a case and a trigger lock. Law requires that guns be transported cased with locks. And bring your ammo. You won't be able to but it in Canada since you don't have the proper id. Fro +1 No flame, OP, but did you really think you'd be able to bring a handgun into Canada and actually carry it? Because their customs website said I could? (With a lot of restrictions, hence the muzzle length question.) If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I was going off a Canadian government website which went into great detail about exactly how to bring in a pistol. So I don't know what to say. I have been told that you don't even want to be on their side in lake Erie with a flare pistol in your boat. |
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Anyone ever take a 10/22 over the border?
Was thinking about taking a break down 10/22 and shotgun next year on a planned trip to Alaska. I found this site concerning mailing a handgun to yourself in AK: http://www.wolfhawkshipping.com/home No experience with them, but was thinking about using them next year so if anyone has any insight I would be happy to hear it. |
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10/22 is okay. Remember to leave the large cap mags at home.
Do yourself a favor. While the 10/22 is legal in Canada, many of the CBS personnel are poorly trained and don't understand the actual laws and regulations. If it looks funny or unusual, they ften get uptight, then it gets difficult. Take the 10/22, and leave it in an assembled state. Looks just like a regular fudd gun. No problems. Take it down AFTER you've cleared the border. For what its worth, I had all kinds of grief with this same issue over a Marlin 70 papoose. It was in a take down bag, and was disassembled. The guard's little mind was blown. Took about a hour to clear customs. I used to cross the border a whole lot with firearms years ago. It got to the point where I called the Canadian Firearms Center, spoke to their head legal counsel, and finally obtained a letter, on CFC letterhead with signatures, attesting that my partiulcar firearms, listed by make model and serial #, were legal in Canada. Crossing the border with a rifle or shotgun isn't hard. If its anything that looks mainstream, like your granddad would have hunted with it 45 years ago, they you are pretty much good to go. You fill in the documents, pay the fee, and off you go. Leave anything vaguely military looking at home. They get their panties in a wad over that. |