Posted: 12/21/2016 6:37:47 PM EDT
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yep...sure are nasty...that's what happens when you take like 6 weeks off.
First TNG I think it was....I was too high, but the CFI helped me slip the plane and we loss enough altitude to get down with no problems. I am still having the issue of applying too much pressure while in ground effect...since the amount of input is non linear due to the reduction of airspeed as you land, I keep pulling back too much. At least I am getting better with adjusting the trim while on final so I don't have to fight the nose as much. Attached File |
| Those probably look better than mine do now. Looks like you followed the terrain features (roads, et cetera) in your turns and would realize it on your downwind, which is as easier habit to break than keeping your head buried in the panel. Try picking features to fly towards and then maneuver around them for your turn points in your pattern. It looks sortof like you were following terrain features and then remembered to fly a landmark about halfway down your downwind. Flying the VFR pattern is what you're training for when you do your ground reference maneuvers. I'm not sure what aircraft you're flying, but you can trim a 172 just about perfectly to land with almost no pressure on the controls. Think, "let it settle." Ground-effect will help to arrest your rate of descent, which I suspect is what you haven't gotten the feel of yet. |
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Those probably look better than mine do now. Looks like you followed the terrain features (roads, et cetera) in your turns and would realize it on your downwind, which is as easier habit to break than keeping your head buried in the panel. Try picking features to fly towards and then maneuver around them for your turn points in your pattern. It looks sortof like you were following terrain features and then remembered to fly a landmark about halfway down your downwind. Flying the VFR pattern is what you're training for when you do your ground reference maneuvers. I'm not sure what aircraft you're flying, but you can trim a 172 just about perfectly to land with almost no pressure on the controls. Think, "let it settle." Ground-effect will help to arrest your rate of descent, which I suspect is what you haven't gotten the feel of yet. ha....I bet your patterns are 10x's better.. ..there are a few features that you can aim for around that air port.....mainly there are some big power lines that gives you a good reference point to turn base. What sucks about this airport is that when you are on the down wind going to rwy 8 you can't see the airport at all, just a small tower that is hard to make out. So..I kinda of fly over a subdivision....now there are some water towers which let you know if you are too far. That airport is damn hard to fly around....probably why my CFI does TNGs there. For example.......when turning final for rwy 8, you don't see the runway....you see a bunch of cypress trees that have a big cut between them and head there.... 
I figure if I can land at L83 then all the other airports I want to fly to should be easy. As far as the ground effect, you are right I don't have the feel for it....it's like I am in it and I hold pressure to keep the nose up...but I keep holding the same amount of pressure when I should hold less since I am slowing down and the pressure from the controls is lessening, but I don't and then the plane wants to leave the runway. I am going to probably schedule up two more flights on my break so I can get back in the groove. |
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I also forgot to add that today was my first flight with the new ASA HS1 headset my wife surprised me with as a birthday gift.
They are a lot better than the telex sets that was free to use. Clear sound with better noise reduction. I can only imagine what ANR head sets are like. |
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As far as the ground effect, you are right I don't have the feel for it....it's like I am in it and I hold pressure to keep the nose up...but I keep holding the same amount of pressure when I should hold less since I am slowing down and the pressure from the controls is lessening, but I don't and then the plane wants to leave the runway. You shouldn't be thinking about the amount of pressure is on the yoke. You should be thinking about holding the plane just off of the runway. When you drive, you don't think about how hard you are mashing the gas pedal. You think about how fast you're going. Focus outside the plane, and fly it with reference to the ground. |
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You shouldn't be thinking about the amount of pressure is on the yoke. You should be thinking about holding the plane just off of the runway. When you drive, you don't think about how hard you are mashing the gas pedal. You think about how fast you're going. Focus outside the plane, and fly it with reference to the ground. that makes a lot of sense....I guess I am worried about touching the nose first and not letting the plane just settle in. |
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I also forgot to add that today was my first flight with the new ASA HS1 headset my wife surprised me with as a birthday gift. They are a lot better than the telex sets that was free to use. Clear sound with better noise reduction. I can only imagine what ANR head sets are like. Bose A20s have saved my hearing. |
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that makes a lot of sense....I guess I am worried about touching the nose first and not letting the plane just settle in. Quoted:
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You shouldn't be thinking about the amount of pressure is on the yoke. You should be thinking about holding the plane just off of the runway. When you drive, you don't think about how hard you are mashing the gas pedal. You think about how fast you're going. Focus outside the plane, and fly it with reference to the ground. that makes a lot of sense....I guess I am worried about touching the nose first and not letting the plane just settle in. Try to keep the nose wheel about 6" off the runway the whole time you're in ground effect. This means continually ADDING back pressure a bit at a time until the mains make contact. At that point, just hold the back pressure for a few more seconds and then ease it off until the nosewheel touches. The sight picture down the runway helps you maintain the 6" height. |
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Try to keep the nose wheel about 6" off the runway the whole time you're in ground effect. This means continually ADDING back pressure a bit at a time until the mains make contact. At that point, just hold the back pressure for a few more seconds and then ease it off until the nosewheel touches. The sight picture down the runway helps you maintain the 6" height. Or another way to think of it: don't let the nose hit first. Remember the escalator analogy I made months ago? Where the sight picture is like riding an escalator down at a shopping mall and looking down the hallway. When you typically take the escalator, you're looking somewhat down, towards the bottom or somewhere just ahead of where you'd step off. As the escalator steps start to collapse at the bottom, you look forward to where you're going. Landing is kindof like that. Now, I present, "Escalator:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xf3ELqb6kc |
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Or another way to think of it: don't let the nose hit first. Remember the escalator analogy I made months ago? Where the sight picture is like riding an escalator down at a shopping mall and looking down the hallway. When you typically take the escalator, you're looking somewhat down, towards the bottom or somewhere just ahead of where you'd step off. As the escalator steps start to collapse at the bottom, you look forward to where you're going. Landing is kindof like that. Now, I present, "Escalator:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xf3ELqb6kc Lol |
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Or another way to think of it: don't let the nose hit first. Remember the escalator analogy I made months ago? Where the sight picture is like riding an escalator down at a shopping mall and looking down the hallway. When you typically take the escalator, you're looking somewhat down, towards the bottom or somewhere just ahead of where you'd step off. As the escalator steps start to collapse at the bottom, you look forward to where you're going. Landing is kindof like that. Now, I present, "Escalator:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xf3ELqb6kc Quoted:
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Try to keep the nose wheel about 6" off the runway the whole time you're in ground effect. This means continually ADDING back pressure a bit at a time until the mains make contact. At that point, just hold the back pressure for a few more seconds and then ease it off until the nosewheel touches. The sight picture down the runway helps you maintain the 6" height. Or another way to think of it: don't let the nose hit first. Remember the escalator analogy I made months ago? Where the sight picture is like riding an escalator down at a shopping mall and looking down the hallway. When you typically take the escalator, you're looking somewhat down, towards the bottom or somewhere just ahead of where you'd step off. As the escalator steps start to collapse at the bottom, you look forward to where you're going. Landing is kindof like that. Now, I present, "Escalator:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xf3ELqb6kc LOL! The escalator is really a great analogy. |