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Posted: 3/29/2003 10:10:40 AM EDT
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[url]http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/pgh-m29.shtml[/url] Below is the account of the experience of some of the 122 protesters in Pittsburgh who were arrested at the end of the March 20 march against the war in Iraq. The account is based on interviews with two of those arrested, Jennifer and Ethan, and confirmed by other accounts published in the press. Both Jennifer and Ethan are librarians at the University of Pittsburgh. |
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Once in the jail, the marchers each had their picture taken and their belongings were confiscated. Each person was subjected to a full body search, said Jennifer. “I had to take off my coat, put my arms up against the wall, spread my legs; they patted my whole body, every place.... I couldn’t believe that they were doing this. It was so intrusive and violating.” bwaahahahahahhaahhaha |
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What exactly is your point (or theirs, for that matter)? -People who block roads and sidewalks and fail to disperse are subject to arrest? -When being arrested, spouting off and interfering with officers making arrests can get you "assisted to the ground" (slammed)? -Cops don't like left-wing socialists? -You get searched at the jail? -The protesters weren't advised of their "Miranda" rights (which isn't required unless there is custodial interrogation, which didn't happen)? -Jail sucks? -The price of unlawful civil disobedience is lawful arrest and confinement? -That if you go to an anti-american/anti-war protest involving "civil" disobedience, that getting arrested is an easily forseeable consequenec, and whining about ii is pointless since you knew the risks when you showed up? |
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Quoted: sorry natez, didnt know you liked living in a police state. I myself enjoy feedom. And my point is that this was bullshit. If it was a group of pro war demonstrators, i take it you would still feel the same? Ive never seen pro war protestors act as anti war protestors do, make your own conclusion from there. |
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Quoted: sorry natez, didnt know you liked living in a police state. I myself enjoy feedom. And my point is that this was bullshit. If it was a group of pro war demonstrators, i take it you would still feel the same? If pro-war demonstrators were acting like these guys did, hell yeah. You can make your point with breaking the law and disrupting traffic. How many ambulances and emergency vehicles have been delayed in their respones around this country because these mrons feel like blocking traffic to draw attention to themselves. |
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Quoted: What exactly is your point (or theirs, for that matter)? -People who block roads and sidewalks and fail to disperse are subject to arrest? -When being arrested, spouting off and interfering with officers making arrests can get you "assisted to the ground" (slammed)? -Cops don't like left-wing socialists? -You get searched at the jail? -The protesters weren't advised of their "Miranda" rights (which isn't required unless there is custodial interrogation, which didn't happen)? -Jail sucks? -The price of unlawful civil disobedience is lawful arrest and confinement? -That if you go to an anti-american/anti-war protest involving "civil" disobedience, that getting arrested is an easily forseeable consequenec, and whining about ii is pointless since you knew the risks when you showed up? That about said it all! [:D] |
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Block 5th Ave in NYC for 40 minutes during rush hour. How many TENS OF THOUSANDS of people are made late for work? Delayed deliveries to small businesses? What is the cost to the local economy? If your version of FREE SPEECH is to inconvenience as many people as possible, why complain when you are then inconvenienced yourself? Police-State my ass, you pinko hippie. |
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Look at the source...World Socialist Web Site. Not like they wouldn't be a little biased or try to embellish the report now would they? People have the right to protest, but they don't have the right to cause so called "civil disobedience". Blocking roads and buildings, harassing others, causing violence and damaging property during a time of war is sabotage and down right traitorous. They deserve no less than to be thrown into jail. If the world were fair, they would be hung or shot as traitors. [img]photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=476[/img] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url] |
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Quoted: LMAO I just looked at the top and saw what site that was... do you believe anything written by a socialist org???? yeah, thats an unbiased account [rolleyes] Wait, I see union in your name... you just may. Nice crack, ill give you that one. Anyway i know its a fucked up website. I can go to the philly paper and look it up too. I just found this link so i posted it. |
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Quoted: Block 5th Ave in NYC for 40 minutes during rush hour. How many TENS OF THOUSANDS of people are made late for work? Delayed deliveries to small businesses? What is the cost to the local economy? If your version of FREE SPEECH is to inconvenience as many people as possible, why complain when you are then inconvenienced yourself? Police-State my ass, you pinko hippie. ummm.... ok. Again i point the the ACLU observer. And i await your responce. |
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LMAO!!! Outstanding! Maybe they won't block the friggin' streets anymore! Maybe they'll think twice about what "peaceful protest" means. That's great! I hope more cities mirror the standards of Pittsburg. [:D] Its about damn time they did something about these violent, vandalizing, criminal, so-called protesters. |
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As far as the ACLU observer,, we have a secondhand account on a socialist website..... yeah im sure thats reallllllllly how it happened[rolleyes] And the claims are from a person who is hardly going to be unbiased anyway. I'm sorrry, but when your in a mob, and you fail to heed police orders, i don't care if you are a participant or observer, if they say stay off the street and disperse, you should. |
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Quoted: Call me a police-state loving asshole, but I find myself a little more worried about the troops in Iraq being tortured and executed than a bunch of idiots being put in jail for all of 30 hours for blocking traffic. Agreed. But it was still wrong. Im sure most had it coming too, but i doubt the ACLU observer did anything wrong. |
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Quoted: "Agreed..."?? I doubt it. Don't say it if you don't mean it. Your priorities are clear. The world right now is filled with millions of stories to be told, and sources to tell them. You chose this story, and this source. That reflects on YOU. Ring a ding ding. We have a winner. |
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Quoted: "Agreed..."?? I doubt it. Don't say it if you don't mean it. Your priorities are clear. The world right now is filled with millions of stories to be told, and sources to tell them. You chose this story, and this source. That reflects on YOU. I wouldnt say i agreed if i didnt agree. My priorities were to show how fucked up everything is getting. I could care less about the arrested protestors, that wasnt my point. I have been pointing to the ACLU observer. Yes thats the link i clicked on when i found the article. If it bothers you so much i will link to the philly newspaper. [url]http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030321protestrp3.asp[/url] |
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...yeah, here's your REAL source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/13042.html You read about this on DU, then you found it so compelling, you posted it here. Your true colors. A protester sympathetic article, from the World Socialist Web Site, brought to us by YOU, via DU. Got your number. |
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Quoted: ...yeah, here's your REAL source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/13042.html You read about this on DU, then you found it so compelling, you posted it here. Your true colors. A protester sympathetic article, from the World Socialist Web Site, brought to us by YOU, via DU. Got your number. Why yes i did? and your point is? |
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The point is clear to us. Just not to you. Go. Usually one comes away from DU with a feeling of disgust, at having witnessed a group of people who are collectively hoping for the death of our servicemen, and the collapse of our economy. YOU, on the other hand, come away from DU with a compelling article and a desire to "spread the word".. |
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Local reports in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette give a less biased account of the turn of events. Obstructing traffic, harrassing motorists and damaging cars, overturning newspaper boxes, inciting a riot, assault on police officers... perhaps the police were a little overzealous arresting some people but apparently they had been patient up to a point when things started to get out of hand. [url]http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030321protestrp3.asp[/url] [url]http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030323localprotestreg3p3.asp[/url] |
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Quoted: It states the ALCU "observer" was harssing the officers while thgey were doing thier job, and thats the "socialist" account, I wonder what the standard for obstruction is in that state? By harrassing do you mean asking for his badge number so she could report him? |
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Nothing illegal about what you described. No special treatment for anyone. you should get treated just like any other criminal. Innocent until proven guilty, etc. Aside from the problem that protester had in dealing with the consequences of her actions, what exactly to you think was wrong here? Jeff D. |
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Quoted: Nothing illegal about what you described. No special treatment for anyone. you should get treated just like any other criminal. Innocent until proven guilty, etc. Aside from the problem that protester had in dealing with the consequences of her actions, what exactly to you think was wrong here? Jeff D. Well first is the arrest of an ACLU observer. The cops refused to give her his badge number. Second is the way they was released. You are always released with your possesions, are you not? Ive never heard of having to go to a completely different building to pick up your personal belonging between the hours of 8 am and 3 pm. How the hell do you get in your house without the keys? The number one reason though is that i mostly dislike cops who think they are above the law and above a normal persons rights. I know i cant be the only person here that doesnt like asshole cops. And yes im sure most of the a-holes had it coming. Thanks for the reply. Im glad someone actually wanted to know why i thought this was wrong. And you didnt call me a commie pinko faggot, thats always a plus. |
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Quoted: Quoted: It states the ALCU "observer" was harssing the officers while thgey were doing thier job, and thats the "socialist" account, I wonder what the standard for obstruction is in that state? By harrassing do you mean asking for his badge number so she could report him? Depends on how it is done. Ask once, if they don't give it you just report that, maybe get a video or picture (after all, a real "observer" should have some means of documenting what she sees) Thats not harrassment. But continualy asking and demanding for the information while the officer is doing thier job, yes that could be obstruction or harrasment. Given the bias and sugarcoating that this article gives towrd the conduct of the rest of the protesters, I seriously doubt all the ACLU gal did was ask twice for his badge number. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It states the ALCU "observer" was harssing the officers while thgey were doing thier job, and thats the "socialist" account, I wonder what the standard for obstruction is in that state? By harrassing do you mean asking for his badge number so she could report him? Im sure there was a verbal confrontation leading to the arrest. I wrote the aclu and the philly newpaper to get some more information on her. Depends on how it is done. Ask once, if they don't give it you just report that, maybe get a video or picture (after all, a real "obsercer" should ahve some means of documenting what she sees) Thats not harrassment. But continualy asking and demanding for the information while the officer is doing thier job, yes that could be obstruction or harrasment. Given the bias and sugarcoating that this article gives towrd the conduct of the rest of the protesters, I seriously doubt all the ACLU gal did was ask twice for his badge number. |
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Quoted: Well first is the arrest of an ACLU observer. The cops refused to give her his badge number. Second is the way they was released. You are always released with your possesions, are you not? Ive never heard of having to go to a completely different building to pick up your personal belonging between the hours of 8 am and 3 pm. How the hell do you get in your house without the keys? The number one reason though is that i mostly dislike cops who think they are above the law and above a normal persons rights. I know i cant be the only person here that doesnt like asshole cops. And yes im sure most of the a-holes had it coming. Thanks for the reply. Im glad someone actually wanted to know why i thought this was wrong. And you didnt call me a commie pinko faggot, thats always a plus. Oh my goodness, you mean actions have consquences? The same protestors whose stated intent is to disrupt normal life in the city is going to be inconvenienced enough to pick up their possessions between 8 am and 3 pm? The horror! My goodness what a brutal police state we have become when you can only pick up your belongings during business hours after being thrown in jail! That's it! I'm joining the marchers! This abuse must stop now! |
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Quoted: Quoted: ...yeah, here's your REAL source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/13042.html You read about this on DU, then you found it so compelling, you posted it here. Your true colors. A protester sympathetic article, from the World Socialist Web Site, brought to us by YOU, via DU. Got your number. Why yes i did? and your point is? the point is you are a [:k] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Well first is the arrest of an ACLU observer. The cops refused to give her his badge number. Second is the way they was released. You are always released with your possesions, are you not? Ive never heard of having to go to a completely different building to pick up your personal belonging between the hours of 8 am and 3 pm. How the hell do you get in your house without the keys? The number one reason though is that i mostly dislike cops who think they are above the law and above a normal persons rights. I know i cant be the only person here that doesnt like asshole cops. And yes im sure most of the a-holes had it coming. Thanks for the reply. Im glad someone actually wanted to know why i thought this was wrong. And you didnt call me a commie pinko faggot, thats always a plus. Oh my goodness, you mean actions have consquences? The same protestors whose stated intent is to disrupt normal life in the city is going to be inconvenienced enough to pick up their possessions between 8 am and 3 pm? The horror! My goodness what a brutal police state we have become when you can only pick up your belongings during business hours after being thrown in jail! That's it! I'm joining the marchers! This abuse must stop now! Yes yes. Laugh it up. But our rights deteriorating isnt all that funny. I didnt mention the being kept awake and interrogated and i didnt mention the iraqi that was arrested and interrogated because i cant prove that. Those claims were all bullshit too, if they could be proved. I could also start in on the patriot act for rights deteriorating but i would be getting off subject. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ...yeah, here's your REAL source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/13042.html You read about this on DU, then you found it so compelling, you posted it here. Your true colors. A protester sympathetic article, from the World Socialist Web Site, brought to us by YOU, via DU. Got your number. Why yes i did? and your point is? the point is you are a [:k] Maybe? WHats a troll? I do own an AR15, PCR2 if you want to get polliticaly correct. |
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You think this is a horrible commie police state? try going overseas to various countries in the middle east and try this civil disobedience shit. Youll find out real quick just what a police state is. You people are so d*mned lucky. If I were in charge first off the ACLU (founded by communists btw) wouldnt even exist and anyone blocking traffic and commiting other such acts of civil disobedience would learn very quickly whats its like to live in the police state sh*t hole that they wholly believe thyat america is. (ignornat f*cks) anyone got a good branding iron? [devil] |
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Quoted: Quoted: It states the ALCU "observer" was harssing the officers while thgey were doing thier job, and thats the "socialist" account, I wonder what the standard for obstruction is in that state? By harrassing do you mean asking for his badge number so she could report him? Report the officer for what? Telling her to get the fuck off the street and quit being disruptive? Go away, Pacifist! It's obvious that the general consensus of people here don't care that your anarchist friends got body-slammed and sent to jail. Sure, they have the right to express themselves, but [i]they[/i] were the provocateurs, and received an appropriate response from the police--A WOOD SHAMPOO!!!! |
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Quoted: Yes yes. Laugh it up. But our rights deteriorating isnt all that funny. I didnt mention the being kept awake and interrogated and i didnt mention the iraqi that was arrested and interrogated because i cant prove that. Those claims were all bullshit too, if they could be proved. I could also start in on the patriot act for rights deteriorating but i would be getting off subject. Ya know, the bottom line is your only source for any of this is a socialist website..... the fact that you are getting all worked up over allegations from there speaks volumes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well first is the arrest of an ACLU observer. The cops refused to give her his badge number. Second is the way they was released. You are always released with your possesions, are you not? Ive never heard of having to go to a completely different building to pick up your personal belonging between the hours of 8 am and 3 pm. How the hell do you get in your house without the keys? The number one reason though is that i mostly dislike cops who think they are above the law and above a normal persons rights. I know i cant be the only person here that doesnt like asshole cops. And yes im sure most of the a-holes had it coming. Thanks for the reply. Im glad someone actually wanted to know why i thought this was wrong. And you didnt call me a commie pinko faggot, thats always a plus. Oh my goodness, you mean actions have consquences? The same protestors whose stated intent is to disrupt normal life in the city is going to be inconvenienced enough to pick up their possessions between 8 am and 3 pm? The horror! My goodness what a brutal police state we have become when you can only pick up your belongings during business hours after being thrown in jail! That's it! I'm joining the marchers! This abuse must stop now! Yes yes. Laugh it up. But our rights deteriorating isnt all that funny. I didnt mention the being kept awake and interrogated and i didnt mention the iraqi that was arrested and interrogated because i cant prove that. Those claims were all bullshit too, if they could be proved. I could also start in on the patriot act for rights deteriorating but i would be getting off subject. Yes it would. And by mentioning that you're not mentioning the 'iraqi being arrested' and 'being kept awake and interrogated', you in fact did mention them. Just like you mentioned the patriot act to try to drum up some other support for your weak argument. Here's the simple facts: 1. They were protesting. 2. They were warned if they continued to disrupt traffic they would be arrested. 3. They continued to disrupt traffic. 4. They were arrested. 5. Horror of horrors, the police apparently have a policy of when you can retrieve your property after you've been locked up, and they made the protestors follow it. For shame! That's it. Actions have consequences. They were informed of them, and they experienced them. Your biggest thing that you can actually prove is that they had to wait until the next day to pick up their belongings. Do you think that applied to just the protestors, or everyone? If you're so concerned about this egregious errosion of their rights, call the police department and ask them what their policy is. |
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If it will please you all. I am not an anti war supporter or protestor, quite the opposite. I have friends and family overseas right now as i type. None of you know my political positions on any subject. Likewise i do not know yours. I had no friends who were arrested in the protests nor did i have any that would have even went to a protest. I still think it was wrong. I find it hard to believe that im the only one here that thinks its wrong. So let me ask this. Do you arrest a protestor because he is an iraqi? Do you leave female inmates in open view of all the male inmates? They never have when ive been to jail. Yes shutting down traffic is probably the dumbest way to get your point across, we can all agree. Can anyone here say that they want their wife pissing infront of all the male inmates if she went to jail for protesting? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Yes yes. Laugh it up. But our rights deteriorating isnt all that funny. I didnt mention the being kept awake and interrogated and i didnt mention the iraqi that was arrested and interrogated because i cant prove that. Those claims were all bullshit too, if they could be proved. I could also start in on the patriot act for rights deteriorating but i would be getting off subject. Ya know, the bottom line is your only source for any of this is a socialist website..... the fact that you are getting all worked up over allegations from there speaks volumes. I posted a link to the newspaper. I also have a thread going at the ACLU website. And a few emails im waiting on. I am trying to see if this is right. I believe the socialist website about as much as i do the VPC website. The fact that its documented in the newspapers too, is the reason i tend to believe 'some' of what i read. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ...yeah, here's your REAL source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/13042.html You read about this on DU, then you found it so compelling, you posted it here. Your true colors. A protester sympathetic article, from the World Socialist Web Site, brought to us by YOU, via DU. Got your number. Why yes i did? and your point is? the point is you are a [:k] Maybe? WHats a troll? I do own an AR15, PCR2 if you want to get polliticaly correct. from the forums conduct code. "6) Pure trolling. If you become a distraction or disrupt the sites day to day activities, you will be removed." basically anyone whos sole purpose is to stur up sh*t here to inflame people. hey im not trying to be a holier than thou or anything. Im just givin you a hard time. [nuts] |
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Quoted: If it will please you all. I am not an anti war supporter or protestor, quite the opposite. I have friends and family overseas right now as i type. None of you know my political positions on any subject. Likewise i do not know yours. I had no friends who were arrested in the protests nor did i have any that would have even went to a protest. I still think it was wrong. I find it hard to believe that im the only one here that thinks its wrong. So let me ask this. Do you arrest a protestor because he is an iraqi? Do you leave female inmates in open view of all the male inmates? They never have when ive been to jail. Yes shutting down traffic is probably the dumbest way to get your point across, we can all agree. Can anyone here say that they want their wife pissing infront of all the male inmates if she went to jail for protesting? Yeah that is pretty messed up, maybe all of the Presidential Suites were full [:(] |
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WolfAR15 Thanks for giving me some shit. Ill return the favor one day. Im not trolling, just debating this crap. There has to be a person, on this site, who owns an AR15, who agrees with me that some of this shit aint right. I am not the only DU regular with an AR so i cant be the only person here who thinks 'some' of this wasnt right. |
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you newspaper link shows they: Protested disrupted traffic failed to follow police instructions destroyed property got arrested And I have no problem with that. The remainder of the allegations you whine about are only found on the socialist website, so unless you can produce a real source for any of the allegations I have a hard time believing any of it. You evidently trust socialists more than I. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If it will please you all. I am not an anti war supporter or protestor, quite the opposite. I have friends and family overseas right now as i type. None of you know my political positions on any subject. Likewise i do not know yours. I had no friends who were arrested in the protests nor did i have any that would have even went to a protest. I still think it was wrong. I find it hard to believe that im the only one here that thinks its wrong. So let me ask this. Do you arrest a protestor because he is an iraqi? Do you leave female inmates in open view of all the male inmates? They never have when ive been to jail. Yes shutting down traffic is probably the dumbest way to get your point across, we can all agree. Can anyone here say that they want their wife pissing infront of all the male inmates if she went to jail for protesting? Yeah that is pretty messed up, maybe all of the Presidential Suites were full [:(] SO you would or wouldnt want your wife pissing in front of all the male inmates? |