[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Chosin... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/16/2012 9:03:36 AM EDT
My God   Worth the watch if you have Netflix. |
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Is this on instant? And is it called Chosin? Yes. It's worth the watch. Netflix Instant - Chosin |
| Well worth the watch, I wish it was part of high school American History class. Watched it with my youngest son, was almost too much, can not imagine going through what the marines and soldiers did. Was embarrassed I didn't know much about the Korean war or the third bloodiest battle in American history. |
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It's almost unthinkable what happened in Chosin. Because as American's we're accustomed to success on the battlefield. When we hear about large military forces being outflanked and surrounded and in big danger of being eliminated, we think of German, French or Russian. Yet this happened to us, but we fought out it luckily and saved South Korea from Communism. |
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It's almost unthinkable what happened in Chosin. Because as American's we're accustomed to success on the battlefield. When we hear about large military forces being outflanked and surrounded and in big danger of being eliminated, we think of German, French or Russian. Yet this happened to us, but we fought out it luckily and saved South Korea from Communism. From what I understand the Marines were somewhat prepared. More than the army at least. |
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It's almost unthinkable what happened in Chosin. Because as American's we're accustomed to success on the battlefield. When we hear about large military forces being outflanked and surrounded and in big danger of being eliminated, we think of German, French or Russian. Yet this happened to us, but we fought out it luckily and saved South Korea from Communism. From what I understand the Marines were somewhat prepared. More than the army at least. That's a very simplistic view of it. |
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It's almost unthinkable what happened in Chosin. Because as American's we're accustomed to success on the battlefield. When we hear about large military forces being outflanked and surrounded and in big danger of being eliminated, we think of German, French or Russian. Yet this happened to us, but we fought out it luckily and saved South Korea from Communism. From what I understand the Marines were somewhat prepared. More than the army at least. That's a very simplistic view of it. When I was little,I remember my dad telling me about the battle and at 7 had only ever seen war movies of Americans kicking ass. I couldn't understand why Americans would retreat in the first place but then hearing about taking coats,socks and shoepacs from the fallen because most men were woefully I'll equipped. I still remember exactly where we were when I was told about gnawing on a frozen lump of WWII leftover sausage patty,it has stuck with me that vividly. If you aren't emotional at the end of it,you have no heart or soul. My pops only made it about a half hour in but I understand. |
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I also watched it this week after reading THIS recent thread. Amazing documentary.
Read "The Marine's of Autumn" of you would like an excellent work of historical fiction written by a man veteran. |
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That was a great group of men! It breaks your heart!
Back in '86, while in the ICU after brain surgery, I had a marine in the bed next to me that went through Chosin. He talked about it for hours. It helped me, as a 16 year old, survive a life changing ordeal (brain surgery, seizures). I cried all the way through the movie!!!! WELL WORTH THE 90 MINUTES. |
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It's almost unthinkable what happened in Chosin. Because as American's we're accustomed to success on the battlefield. When we hear about large military forces being outflanked and surrounded and in big danger of being eliminated, we think of German, French or Russian. Yet this happened to us, but we fought out it luckily and saved South Korea from Communism. Or the 101st at Bastogne. AIV... son, I am disappoint. |
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Quoted: It's almost unthinkable what happened in Chosin. Because as American's we're accustomed to success on the battlefield. When we hear about large military forces being outflanked and surrounded and in big danger of being eliminated, we think of German, French or Russian. Yet this happened to us, but we fought out it luckily and saved South Korea from Communism. Maybe some modern Americans with no knowledge of history are accustomed to hearing about success on the battlefield or something. The US Services suffered HORRIBLE defeats in WW2 in the Pacific only a decade or so earlier. |
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It's almost unthinkable what happened in Chosin. Because as American's we're accustomed to success on the battlefield. When we hear about large military forces being outflanked and surrounded and in big danger of being eliminated, we think of German, French or Russian. Yet this happened to us, but we fought out it luckily and saved South Korea from Communism. From what I understand the Marines were somewhat prepared. More than the army at least. That's a very simplistic view of it. I read Colder Than Hell: A Marine Rifle Company at Chosin Reservoir ( a great read) and the author mentions that higher-ups in the Marines were worried about the rapid advance and began stockpiling supplies along the way. |
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Quoted: I have it in my que but I havnt been in the mood to watch it . My Grandfather fought there and it was a fucking mess from how he talks and he has alot of friends that never left. My wife's grandfather was in Korea and may have fought there. Is there a roster somewhere of who was there? |
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My Dads Uncle Bill (his name sake) was killed on the first night of the Chinese assault. He was a captain, and was in his jeep with his driver when a chinese machine gun opened up on them....Bill was hit in the head and fell out of the jeep, the driver was wounded and had to get out of dodge or be killed. Body was never recovered, he has been listed as MIA since. Our family didn't find out the story until many, many, many years later...after finding out who his driver was, and that he lived across the lake in Vermont.
Listed as MIA....my Grampa wasn't a prayin' man....but one of the only things he ever prayed for, was for Bill to "finally come home". As a young kid, I felt the sorrow that had gripped our family for 40 years coming straight from my grampa as he told me about his younger brother "Billy". I don't think he ever got over it.... Uncle Bill was a marine in WW2, fought at Guadalcanal and was wounded (burned badly) on Peleliu. Got out of the Marines after his wound, then joined up in the Army as an Engineer a year or two later. There are a few men in our family named after Uncle Bill. I carry his middle name. As an aside....Uncle Bill's driver said that Bill was struck in the eye by a rifle bullet and fell out of the jeep. My great, great, Uncle William (Bill) was killed by a Confederate sharpshooter (William was also a sharpshooter) in the trenches of Petersburgh.....with a rifle bullet to the left eye (we have in our possession the letter that his rifle pit-mate sent home, describing his death). I have a cousin, Bilge (pronounced "bill-gey"....his father is turkish, his mother is Uncle Bill's niece....and Bilge is the turkish version of "Bill" or "william") who served in Iraq with the marine corp. While on patrol in Fallujah, he was struck in the head by a snipers rifle bullet......I guess the angle was just right, and it zinged off his helmet and into the wall behind him. It rang his clock pretty good, but he was fine... I hope he broke the family curse....... |
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Very powerful. Can't imagine fighting under those conditions. I spent a winter living in a tent in Korea. Until then, I couldn't imagine what it was like to freeze one's ass off. Water in our canteens would freeze when we were on guard duty. The Chinese suffered even worse than the US/UN troops as they didn't even have warming tents nor proper footwear. A book that's the best on Chosin is "Frozen Hell: Retreat from Chosin". I highly recommend it. |
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From what I understand the Marines were somewhat prepared. More than the army at least. More than that, I'm afraid. The Army simply turned & bugged out, leaving behind all of their wounded, which the Chinese promptly shot on the spot. Just horrible stories from those whom were there & later wrote about it.
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When I was little,I remember my dad telling me about the battle and at 7 had only ever seen war movies of Americans kicking ass. I couldn't understand why Americans would retreat in the first place ................ >snip< The Marines were outnumbered by estimates of 8 to 1 or 10 to 1, take your pick. Some of us (including me), place Chosin equal with Iwo Jima as the Corps finest hour. |
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Very powerful. Can't imagine fighting under those conditions. very true. but it's not as if they could just pick up their ball and go home. it was fight or die, and there were so many ways to die there. There were numerous cases of troops just giving up and dieing they just could not keep going. |
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I've had the opportunity to meet one of the Chosin Few, and no, the gentleman didn't have to take out his wallet all night. Even one of my friends who was on Guadalcanal wouldn't let him pay. Anyone that was there for the CCFI deserves to drink free for life. My father was there.
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Quoted: We’ve been looking for the enemy for several days now. We’ve finally found them. We are surrounded. That simplifies the problem of getting to these people and killing them. —Col Lewis B. "Chesty” Puller, Chosin Reservoir, Korea 1950 I like this one more... "They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!" |
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We’ve been looking for the enemy for several days now. We’ve finally found them. We are surrounded. That simplifies the problem of getting to these people and killing them.
—Col Lewis B. "Chesty” Puller, Chosin Reservoir, Korea 1950 I like this one more... "They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!" That's similar to the one I was trying to find from an official source, and could not, though I remembered it from almost 30 years ago. The quote I posted is from the Leatherneck, and is accepted as the "official" quote regarding the situation, as far as I can tell. When the crap hits the fan, not everyone is interested in writing down the exact words, I suppose. God bless those that had the will to survive, persevere, and succeed against a situation that has not been experienced before nor since, thank God. |