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11/24/2005 8:46:42 PM EDT
My oldest son just got accepted at my alma mater, THE Citadel.  

I graduated in 1987 and my entire four years cost $27,500.  That won't even pay for the first year there anymore.  

I may have to take a second job.  Arghhhhhhhhhhh

Oh well, at least I know where he will be at night and that is priceless.
11/24/2005 8:49:46 PM EDT
[#1]
My first year of college was $24,545.  My 2nd year was $26,155.  My third year would have been $28,xxx.  Needless to say, I found better things to do with my time......
11/24/2005 8:51:31 PM EDT
[#2]

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My first year of college was $24,545.  My 2nd year was $26,155.  My third year would have been $28,xxx.  Needless to say, I found better things to do with my time......



Well at least you invested the first $50,000 well
11/24/2005 8:53:16 PM EDT
[#3]
Send him to a REAL Service Academy and it's FREE.





Sorry, buddy, but you know how it is!

That's pretty damned steep. I wonder if they're trying to move toward entirely private funding so they can admit and do whatever the hell they want? (A move I would support 100%, BTW.)
11/24/2005 8:57:19 PM EDT
[#4]

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Send him to a REAL Service Academy and it's FREE. how

That's pretty damned steep. I wonder if they're trying to move toward entirely private funding so they can admit and do whatever the hell they want? (A move I would support 100%, BTW.)



I would send him to a federal academy but he is a hetrosexual so that is probably not the place for him.  
11/24/2005 9:00:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Nice campus...my Dad wanted me to go there...had to let him down...ironically enough my Mom wound up getting a degree from there a few years back
11/24/2005 9:01:53 PM EDT
[#6]

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My first year of college was $24,545.  My 2nd year was $26,155.  My third year would have been $28,xxx.  Needless to say, I found better things to do with my time......



Well at least you invested the first $50,000 well



Out of 22 classes I had 4 that pertained to my major
11/24/2005 9:03:23 PM EDT
[#7]

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I would send him to a federal academy but he is a hetrosexual so that is probably not the place for him.  




No, the homosexual requirement only applies to VMI.

(This is going to get ugly, isn't it? )
11/24/2005 9:10:43 PM EDT
[#8]

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I would send him to a federal academy but he is a hetrosexual so that is probably not the place for him.  hr



No, the homosexual requirement only applies to VMI. his )



Nah.  Like I wouldn't have gone to a free school if I could have.  

Loved El Cid and I wouldn't change a thing!!!!  
11/24/2005 9:10:52 PM EDT
[#9]
Wouldn't ROTC offset those costs?  Or is he just playing dress-up for the well-rounded social experience?  
11/24/2005 9:13:19 PM EDT
[#10]
When I was in Nuke school in Charleston, we used to see those guys frequently.  We usually made fun of the Star Trek uniforms, not that ours were much better...
11/24/2005 9:14:36 PM EDT
[#11]

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Wouldn't ROTC offset those costs?  Or is he just playing dress-up for the well-rounded social experience?  



That's a damned good question.

What IS the percentage of cadets that are on ROTC scholarships?
11/24/2005 9:17:03 PM EDT
[#12]

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When I was in Nuke school in Charleston, we used to see those guys frequently.  We usually made fun of the Star Trek uniforms, not that ours were much better...



+1  At least we didn't have to wear our's in town.
11/24/2005 9:19:07 PM EDT
[#13]
ROTC will offset that if he gets one but we won't know that for a while yet.  

I have no idea what precentage are on scholarship but everyone is in ROTC of one form or another so that option is there for everyone.  
11/24/2005 9:20:39 PM EDT
[#14]

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When I was in Nuke school in Charleston, we used to see those guys frequently.  We usually made fun of the Star Trek uniforms, not that ours were much better...



+1  At least we didn't have to wear our's in town.



There was nothing wrong with wearing the uni downtown.  It worked pretty well on South Carolina coeds trying to earn the coveted MRS degree.  
11/24/2005 9:23:45 PM EDT
[#15]

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When I was in Nuke school in Charleston, we used to see those guys frequently.  We usually made fun of the Star Trek uniforms, not that ours were much better...



+1  At least we didn't have to wear our's in town.



There was nothing wrong with wearing the uni downtown.  It worked pretty well on South Carolina coeds earning the coveted MRS degree.  



Yeah, I always suspected that those outfits really got the daughters of the confederacy's panties flying.  
11/24/2005 9:24:51 PM EDT
[#16]
Congrats, bombardier.  That's one fine young man you raised there - able to get into the Citadel.

Before the third year starts, your son will have the option of committing to the mil.  If he commits, the mil will pick up the tab for the last 2 years.  Of course, he'll then owe the mil some time.

EDIT:

Know a guy last name of Athearn?

11/24/2005 9:39:46 PM EDT
[#17]
Congrats on your son. It's a shame but I had to fill in for my company's recruiting officer and the schools main recruitment/retention officer gave us some stats. Citadel enrollment, down 21%, USNA, down 20%, USMA enrollment, down 23%, and our own enrollment was down 22%. Air Force was pretty steady as they tend to stay out or above the combat zones, or so they think. However here at Norwich, at least on the Army side, we have the biggest comissioning class in years, and of the top 20% of US Army cadets in the nation, 60% of that 20% (still following me) came from Norwich.

Nothing against the Navy but I'd caution against doing Navy ROTC for a couple years unless he has a scholarship. Many of my fellow cadets on the Navy side had contracts, stipends etc... Well the Navy decided they didn't need that many officers, and cancelled ALL but two Navy ROTC contracts in the entire nation, not just at Norwich, but the entire country. They even renegged on scholarships by keeping the financial support for that cadet but now at the end of their four years, they no longer go into the Navy, just got free college. Keep in mind this did not affect the Marine Corps side, only Navy. Best of luck and enjoy it, as you well know its all about playing the game. If I knew three years ago what I know now I would have had a damn good time in Rookdom, wish I could do it again.

Steve
11/24/2005 10:06:00 PM EDT
[#18]

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Congrats on your son. It's a shame but I had to fill in for my company's recruiting officer and the schools main recruitment/retention officer gave us some stats. Citadel enrollment, down 21%, USNA, down 20%, USMA enrollment, down 23%, and our own enrollment was down 22%. Air Force was pretty steady as they tend to stay out or above the combat zones, or so they think. However here at Norwich, at least on the Army side, we have the biggest comissioning class in years, and of the top 20% of US Army cadets in the nation, 60% of that 20% (still following meh.gif) came from Norwich.

Nothing against the Navy but I'd caution against doing Navy ROTC for a couple years unless he has a scholarship. Many of my fellow cadets on the Navy side had contracts, stipends etc... Well the Navy decided they didn't need that many officers, and cancelled ALL but two Navy ROTC contracts in the entire nation, not just at Norwich, but the entire country. They even renegged on scholarships by keeping the financial support for that cadet but now at the end of their four years, they no longer go into the Navy, just got free college. Keep in mind this did not affect the Marine Corps side, only Navy. Best of luck and enjoy it, as you well know its all about playing the game. If I knew three years ago what I know now I would have had a damn good time in Rookdom, wish I could do it again.

Steve



One of my lieutentants is from Norwich.  Good officer !
11/24/2005 10:07:57 PM EDT
[#19]

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Congrats, bombardier.  That's one fine young man you raised there - able to get into the Citadel.

Before the third year starts, your son will have the option of committing to the mil.  If he commits, the mil will pick up the tab for the last 2 years.  Of course, he'll then owe the mil some time.

EDIT:

Know a guy last name of Athearn?




Thanks.  I am rather proud of him.  They don't exactly pick up the tab for those last two years but they do put a little spending money in your pocket.

Don't know Athearn, sorry.
11/24/2005 10:08:21 PM EDT
[#20]
First off, congrats to your son

When I was applying to college back in the fall of 2001 for the 2002 fall class, I applied to the Cid, VMI and the USNA and USCGA (ther hardest college to get into in the USA at the time, go look it up per applicat per spot ratio...it us unreal)

Anyways, I visited all three...needless to say UNSA's campus is BEAUTIFUL, I loved it, wish I got in there evem if I could'nt play lacrosse for them....clearly that 1200 SAT cut off is not really good enough to give a guy a shot...more like 1430 from what I found out...with that said, I got into the Cid but also got in SMU...now, I loved the cit campus ALOT better then VMI even tho Stonewall is one of my fav Historical figures from ANY WAR.  However, VMI looked depressing to me, the students didnt even look like they enjoyed being there, the Cit kids seemed more happy.  What discouraged me from going to the Cit was the fact in one classroom I saw kids using Textbooks I used in High School physics, now Im not knocking the it the Cit, however, it just didnt seem right...however, the campus buildings looked pretty nice and the newer of the 2 barricks with A/C would sure be nice during those summer months...I would hate to get in the other 2 with out during Aug.  However, after being in an all boys school for 4 years....when I saw the WOMEN at SMU in Dallas, needless to say, that won me over...and even though when they open their mouths, I wish they would close them abruptly, it still has some of the BEST college scenery of ANY college campus around, if you get my drift....
11/24/2005 10:11:38 PM EDT
[#21]
Make his ass play football!!!  The Citadel has 95 football scholarships available.
11/24/2005 10:31:31 PM EDT
[#22]
That's pretty damn hardcore.  
11/24/2005 10:35:03 PM EDT
[#23]
<----- Went to FSU (State School)

Tuition and books: <$5000/year
All other expenses: $10,000/year
GPA - 2.9

Making $86K first year working out of college (1995) and paying off all my school loans, buying a boat and putting a downpayment on my FIRST house while living with my parents?

Priceless!
11/24/2005 11:07:29 PM EDT
[#24]

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<----- Went to FSU (State School)

Tuition and books: <$5000/year
All other expenses: $10,000/year
GPA - 2.9

Making $86K first year working out of college (1995) and paying off all my school loans, buying a boat and putting a downpayment on my FIRST house while living with my parents?

Priceless!




that doesnt happen to much anymore (your GPA to starting salary situation(...not from what I hear about todays job market for many undergrads going right into the work force...you must have ad some killer side things on the CV, my roomie is trying to get a consulting job with a 3.0 and he gets cut in the final round of call backs everytime...I gotta think its his biz school GPA
11/24/2005 11:25:38 PM EDT
[#25]

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that doesnt happen to much anymore (your GPA to starting salary situation(...not from what I hear about todays job market for many undergrads going right into the work force...you must have ad some killer side things on the CV, my roomie is trying to get a consulting job with a 3.0 and he gets cut in the final round of call backs everytime...I gotta think its his biz school GPA



GPA means very little when compared to proper networking and interviewing skills.

ETA:  If your roomie is getting cut in the final round, then he must have either done something wrong or been outdone in the interview process.  If he got an interview, then the GPA shouldn't be a factor anymore since most job applications ask for that information up front anyway.  It's all a matter of 'convincing' the interviewer that you're the best candidate for the job.  I overcame the GPA obstacle by accentuating my OTHER attributes as they would relate to the job offer in question.  Bottom line is that they will hire the best person for the job, not the person with the highest GPA.

Having conducted many interviews, I always give 3 rules of advice.  Know and understand thoroughly the job you are applying for.  Demonstrate extreme enthusiasm and confidence in your skills and strong desire to sucede in your career.  Don't leave an interview without either a job offer or an appointment for a 'next step' in the interview process.
11/25/2005 5:49:28 AM EDT
[#26]

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Make his ass play football!!!  The Citadel has 95 football scholarships available.



LOL, all 6'0" 135 pounds of him.  

As an aside.  I ran track at The Citadel and one Saturday two wide recievers on the football team got broken legs.  Monday the football coach comes down to the track lockers and makes a pitch to get some of us to come up and play football.  "I know you guys are fast and we won't put you in a bad position."  HA!   One of the seniors says, "Can I ask a question coach?  Who do you guys play next Saturday?"  The coach sort of hems and haws and says, "Um, Clemson."  "Yeah coach, I don't think we are too interested."
11/25/2005 5:54:55 AM EDT
[#27]

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Send him to a REAL Service Academy and it's FREE.





Sorry, buddy, but you know how it is!

That's pretty damned steep. I wonder if they're trying to move toward entirely private funding so they can admit and do whatever the hell they want? (A move I would support 100%, BTW.)



I would send him to a federal academy but he is a hetrosexual so that is probably not the place for him.  




11/25/2005 6:02:10 AM EDT
[#28]
congrats on your son getting into the Citadel. it's a shame that kids today are so reluctant to go to military colleges. i had the time of my life at VMI and got a good well rounded education (when i studied!!).

when your son gets there, have him ask about the school president's jeep and what happened to it in Oct of 2000....apparently i'm still talked about down there.
11/25/2005 6:09:18 AM EDT
[#29]

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Make his ass play football!!!  The Citadel has 95 football scholarships available.


Nice to see they have their educational priorities straight, that basically anyone playing football get a free ride. Or are they partial scholarships?
11/25/2005 6:21:03 AM EDT
[#30]
College is insanely priced now. Even the libtards pay a ton...check out the tuition for Oberlin some time...
11/25/2005 6:23:37 AM EDT
[#31]
The only affordable route anymore is a state college/ community college.
11/25/2005 9:36:20 AM EDT
[#32]

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Having conducted many interviews, I always give 3 rules of advice.  Know and understand thoroughly the job you are applying for.  Demonstrate extreme enthusiasm and confidence in your skills and strong desire to sucede in your career.  Don't leave an interview without either a job offer or an appointment for a 'next step' in the interview process.




YA know, that might be some of the best stuff I have ever read on this web site...infact im going to print this out and and hand it to the roomie!
11/25/2005 12:00:27 PM EDT
[#33]

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I would send him to a federal academy but he is a hetrosexual so that is probably not the place for him.  




No, the homosexual requirement only applies to VMI.

(This is going to get ugly, isn't it? )



Loved El Cid and I wouldn't change a thing!!!!  



There are a few things I'd like to see changed now... www.citadelmen.com

Bklyn_Irish is Kilo '96.
11/25/2005 12:03:52 PM EDT
[#34]

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Make his ass play football!!!  The Citadel has 95 football scholarships available.



Some folks want to go to The Citadel to be cadets. That goes out the window when you join the football team. They may wear a uniform, but at The Citadel, the large marjority of football players can hardly be called cadets.
11/25/2005 12:14:38 PM EDT
[#35]

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 Demonstrate extreme enthusiasm and confidence in your skills and strong desire to sucede  succeed in your career.



Publik skool werked good fer yu!
11/25/2005 2:04:36 PM EDT
[#36]

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Make his ass play football!!!  The Citadel has 95 football scholarships available.


Nice to see they have their educational priorities straight, that basically anyone playing football get a free ride. Or are they partial scholarships?



In fact, they're educational priorities are straight, and that fact is reflected in the superior students they admit today. I hate to admit it, but I may not have gotten in with the standards they have in place now.

11/25/2005 2:11:41 PM EDT
[#37]
Knock yourself out.
I can't imagine paying to get yelled out.
Its bad enough when they pay you.
11/25/2005 3:16:00 PM EDT
[#38]
I spent 20 yrs in the military, and believe that only men should attend the Citadel.

Then, my daughter tells me she wants to attend.

So I did everything necessary to get her in.

I was very proud of her when she was accepted.

Then, the fight broke out.  Some may have heard of this.  A senior corners her (a freshman) alone in her 2nd floor room, closes the door and wouldn't let her out.  She fought her way to the landing, where he threw her off and down to the ground.  He came after her, and she grabbed a drill rifle and bashed him in the head.  Guess about 100 people saw the outside portion of this.

He was immediately expelled.  After he regained consciousness and had his head sewn up, that is.

She was sent home for one week, returned, the the Commandant began 'bugging the hell' out of her.  2 months later, my daughter told him to "shove it up his ass."  Verbatim.

To this day, I've never been more proud of her.

Being thrown off the 2nd floor caused damage to her knee, and organized sports are pretty much out of the picture these days.

No, she did not want to get an attorney and sue - and if you suggest that, I'll wonder if you're not my ex-wife.


scsusports.com/story.asp?story=63592

SC State Soccer Drops to Citadel
By Kristie Dowling 9/25/2001

Orangeburg, SC—The Lady Bulldogs Soccer team (1-6) suffered their second loss at home as The Citadel (2-4) defeated SC State, 4-2, today (Sept. 25) at the Hillcrest Sports Complex in Orangeburg.

SNIP

Match Summary
SC State 0 2 2
The Citadel 2 2 4

Scoring
CIT XX 14:00 (off of cross)
CIT XX  20:00 (straight shot)
CIT XX  55:00 (straight shot)
SCSU XX 75:00 (corner shot)
CIT  XX 85:00 (straight shot)
SCSU XX 86:00 (off of cross)

Shots: SCSU 16, CIT 12
Assists: SCSU 1, CIT 1
Corner Kicks: SCSU 4, CIT 3
Fouls: SCSU 2, CIT 7
Offside: SCSU 5, CIT 10
Goalkeepers: SCSU, XX 0 saves, 0 GA, 90:00
CIT, XX  0 saves, 0GA, 45:00
CIT, XX  0 saves, 0 GA, 45:00




Here's a SportingNews item:


The Automated ScoreBook For Soccer Citadel Combined Team Statistics (Through games of Nov 12, 2001) All games

##   GOALTENDERS   GP   Minutes   GA   Avg   Sv   Pct   W   L   T   Sho
25            XX              3     45:00        2      4.00   1 .  333    0    0    0   0.0



EDIT:  Names removed.






11/25/2005 3:26:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Echo class of 2006 here......I'm kinda on the delayed graduation plan though!

Hey bombardier, what company?
11/25/2005 3:33:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Have him try for an ROTC scholarship.  Last time I looked into things, they were throwing them around like candy---the Army WANTS more officers.
11/25/2005 3:59:01 PM EDT
[#41]
When I was at state college, I had some semesters where the books cost more than tuition.

I think the most expensive semester was $500 for tuition, and the cheapest $275.

I spend more on commuting than on tuition.
11/25/2005 7:56:17 PM EDT
[#42]

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Echo class of 2006 here......I'm kinda on the delayed graduation plan though!

Hey bombardier, what company?



F-Troop, 1987
11/25/2005 8:02:08 PM EDT
[#43]

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Knock yourself out.
I can't imagine paying to get yelled out.
Its bad enough when they pay you.



I really dislike when I hear graduates of the service schools say this.  I knew I was going to be in the military from the time I was like 10.  It's all I ever wanted to be and so I got the best education that I could get to prepare me.  I would have gone to a service school if I could but that didn't work out like I hoped.  Sooooooooo... The next option is go to a non-military school, smoke sope, listen to rock-n-roll music and bad mouth my country?  hippie.gif  I don't think so.  It was so worth it!!!
11/25/2005 10:54:14 PM EDT
[#44]

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Knock yourself out.
I can't imagine paying to get yelled out.
Its bad enough when they pay you.



I really dislike when I hear graduates of the service schools say this.  I knew I was going to be in the military from the time I was like 10.  It's all I ever wanted to be and so I got the best education that I could get to prepare me.  I would have gone to a service school if I could but that didn't work out like I hoped.  Sooooooooo... The next option is go to a non-military school, smoke sope, listen to rock-n-roll music and bad mouth my country?    I don't think so.  It was so worth it!!!



Yea there is alot of that going on, I must say, I wish more schools were as PRO BUSH as mine or as Texas A and M, freakin UT is a god damn Liberal bastian within Texas and from this day, it is so confusing, even with the capital right there.  Comming from mass, I was so HAPPY to be around like minded Republicans, shit last fall on election Day all the frats Painted W'04 all over the campus and ya know what it was so great to see, on top of that people at SMU LOVE REGAN, I MEAN they have a quote in the top 350 schools by princeton review that Says something like " smu, most likley to produce the next REGAN" or something to that affect, anyways, its sad, im sure where I go next year for grad school wont give me the same feeling.  
11/25/2005 11:58:36 PM EDT
[#45]

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Echo class of 2006 here......I'm kinda on the delayed graduation plan though!

Hey bombardier, what company?



Hell...it happens to the best of us.
11/26/2005 12:00:13 AM EDT
[#46]

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when your son gets there, have him ask about the school president's jeep and what happened to it in Oct of 2000....apparently i'm still talked about down there.



I will admit that your stunt was perhaps the greatest military school practical joke of all time...USNA just beat you by painting the USAFA's F-4 in Blue Angels' colors.
11/26/2005 5:39:55 AM EDT
[#47]

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My first year of college was $24,545.  My 2nd year was $26,155.  My third year would have been $28,xxx.  Needless to say, I found better things to do with my time......



Well at least you invested the first $50,000 well



Out of 22 classes I had 4 that pertained to my major



The first two years are usually like that (genral education and liberal arts).  Once you get the foundation you get into your core classes.


My first two years was mostly math and science so that I could take the engineering course the last two years.
11/26/2005 6:20:25 AM EDT
[#48]

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when your son gets there, have him ask about the school president's jeep and what happened to it in Oct of 2000....apparently i'm still talked about down there.



I will admit that your stunt was perhaps the greatest military school practical joke of all time...USNA just beat you by painting the USAFA's F-4 in Blue Angels' colors.



Care to share with the rest of the class?
11/26/2005 6:34:15 AM EDT
[#49]

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IThen, the fight broke out.  Some may have heard of this.  A senior corners her (a freshman) alone in her 2nd floor room, closes the door and wouldn't let her out.  She fought her way to the landing, where he threw her off and down to the ground.  He came after her, and she grabbed a drill rifle and bashed him in the head.  Guess about 100 people saw the outside portion of this.

He was immediately expelled.  After he regained consciousness and had his head sewn up, that is.

She was sent home for one week, returned, the the Commandant began 'bugging the hell' out of her.  2 months later, my daughter told him to "shove it up his ass."  Verbatim.

To this day, I've never been more proud of her.

Being thrown off the 2nd floor caused damage to her knee, and organized sports are pretty much out of the picture these days.

No, she did not want to get an attorney and sue - and if you suggest that, I'll wonder if you're not my ex-wife.


NO charges against him?
Glad you are there behind her supporting her.
You have any urge to go after the guy yourself, out of curiosity, given her injuries?
11/26/2005 8:17:37 AM EDT
[#50]

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when your son gets there, have him ask about the school president's jeep and what happened to it in Oct of 2000....apparently i'm still talked about down there.



I will admit that your stunt was perhaps the greatest military school practical joke of all time...USNA just beat you by painting the USAFA's F-4 in Blue Angels' colors.



Care to share with the rest of the class?



I couldn't do the story any justice...but it was a brilliant operation involving a playful grand larceny of a motor vehicle.
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