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10/19/2007 9:16:40 AM EDT
...by modifying the headers of packets to include the RST operation (forcibly resetting the connections on both peer machines).

I was wondering why I could no longer seed.

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By Peter Svensson
Updated: 9:36 a.m. ET Oct 19, 2007

NEW YORK - Comcast Corp. actively interferes with attempts by some of its high-speed Internet subscribers to share files online, a move that runs counter to the tradition of treating all types of Net traffic equally.

The interference, which The Associated Press confirmed through nationwide tests, is the most drastic example yet of data discrimination by a U.S. Internet service provider. It involves company computers masquerading as those of its users.

If widely applied by other ISPs, the technology Comcast is using would be a crippling blow to the BitTorrent, eDonkey and Gnutella file-sharing networks. While these are mainly known as sources of copyright music, software and movies, BitTorrent in particular is emerging as a legitimate tool for quickly disseminating legal content.

The principle of equal treatment of traffic, called "Net Neutrality" by proponents, is not enshrined in law but supported by some regulations. Most of the debate around the issue has centered on tentative plans, now postponed, by large Internet carriers to offer preferential treatment of traffic from certain content providers for a fee.

Comcast's interference, on the other hand, appears to be an aggressive way of managing its network to keep file-sharing traffic from swallowing too much bandwidth and affecting the Internet speeds of other subscribers.

Number two provider
Comcast, the nation's largest cable TV operator and No. 2 Internet provider, would not specifically address the practice, but spokesman Charlie Douglas confirmed that it uses sophisticated methods to keep Net connections running smoothly.

"Comcast does not block access to any applications, including BitTorrent," he said.

Douglas would not specify what the company means by "access" — Comcast subscribers can download BitTorrent files without hindrance. Only uploads of complete files are blocked or delayed by the company, as indicated by AP tests.

But with "peer-to-peer" technology, users exchange files with each other, and one person's upload is another's download. That means Comcast's blocking of certain uploads has repercussions in the global network of file sharers.

Comcast's technology kicks in, though not consistently, when one BitTorrent user attempts to share a complete file with another user.

Each PC gets a message invisible to the user that looks like it comes from the other computer, telling it to stop communicating. But neither message originated from the other computer — it comes from Comcast. If it were a telephone conversation, it would be like the operator breaking into the conversation, telling each talker in the voice of the other: "Sorry, I have to hang up. Good bye."

Matthew Elvey, a Comcast subscriber in the San Francisco area who has noticed BitTorrent uploads being stifled, acknowledged that the company has the right to manage its network, but disapproves of the method, saying it appears to be deceptive.

"There's the wrong way of going about that and the right way," said Elvey, who is a computer consultant.

All types of content
Comcast's interference affects all types of content, meaning that, for instance, an independent movie producer who wanted to distribute his work using BitTorrent and his Comcast connection could find that difficult or impossible — as would someone pirating music.

Internet service providers have long complained about the vast amounts of traffic generated by a small number of subscribers who are avid users of file-sharing programs. Peer-to-peer applications account for between 50 percent and 90 percent of overall Internet traffic, according to a survey this year by ipoque GmbH, a German vendor of traffic-management equipment.

"We have a responsibility to manage our network to ensure all our customers have the best broadband experience possible," Douglas said. "This means we use the latest technologies to manage our network to provide a quality experience for all Comcast subscribers."

The practice of managing the flow of Internet data is known as "traffic shaping," and is already widespread among Internet service providers. It usually involves slowing down some forms of traffic, like file-sharing, while giving others priority. Other ISPs have attempted to block some file-sharing application by so-called "port filtering," but that method is easily circumvented and now largely ineffective.

Comcast's approach to traffic shaping is different because of the drastic effect it has on one type of traffic — in some cases blocking it rather than slowing it down — and the method used, which is difficult to circumvent and involves the company falsifying network traffic.

The "Net Neutrality" debate erupted in 2005, when AT&T Inc. suggested it would like to charge some Web companies more for preferential treatment of their traffic. Consumer advocates and Web heavyweights like Google Inc. and Amazon Inc. cried foul, saying it's a bedrock principle of the Internet that all traffic be treated equally.

To get its acquisition of BellSouth Corp. approved by the Federal Communications Commission, AT&T agreed in late 2006 not to implement such plans or prioritize traffic based on its origin for two and a half years. However, it did not make any commitments not to prioritize traffic based on its type, which is what Comcast is doing.

The FCC's stance on traffic shaping is not clear. A 2005 policy statement says that "consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice," but that principle is "subject to reasonable network management." Spokeswoman Mary Diamond would not elaborate.

Opposition
Free Press, a Washington-based public interest group that advocates Net Neutrality, opposes the kind of filtering applied by Comcast.

"We don't believe that any Internet provider should be able to discriminate, block or impair their consumers ability to send or receive legal content over the Internet," said Free Press spokeswoman Jen Howard.

Paul "Tony" Watson, a network security engineer at Google Inc. who has previously studied ways hackers could disrupt Internet traffic in manner similar to the method Comcast is using, said the cable company was probably acting within its legal rights.

"It's their network and they can do what they want," said Watson. "My concern is the precedent. In the past, when people got an ISP connection, they were getting a connection to the Internet. The only determination was price and bandwidth. Now they're going to have to make much more complicated decisions such as price, bandwidth, and what services I can get over the Internet."

Several companies have sprung up that rely on peer-to-peer technology, including BitTorrent Inc., founded by the creator of the BitTorrent software (which exists in several versions freely distributed by different groups and companies).

Ashwin Navin, the company's president and co-founder, confirmed that it has noticed interference from Comcast, in addition to some Canadian Internet service providers.

"They're using sophisticated technology to degrade service, which probably costs them a lot of money. It would be better to see them use that money to improve service," Navin said, noting that BitTorrent and other peer-to-peer applications are a major reason consumers sign up for broadband.

BitTorrent Inc. announced Oct. 9 that it was teaming up with online video companies to use its technology to distribute legal content.

Affecting others
Other companies that rely on peer-to-peer technology, and could be affected if Comcast decides to expand the range of applications it filters, include Internet TV service Joost, eBay Inc.'s Skype video-conferencing program and movie download appliance Vudu. There is no sign that Comcast is hampering those services.

Comcast subscriber Robb Topolski, a former software quality engineer at Intel Corp., started noticing the interference when trying to upload with file-sharing programs Gnutella and eDonkey early this year.

In August, Topolski began to see reports on Internet forum DSLreports.com from other Comcast users with the same problem. He now believes that his home town of Hillsboro, Ore., was a test market for the technology that was later widely applied in other Comcast service areas.

Topolski agrees that Comcast has a right to manage its network and slow down traffic that affects other subscribers, but disapproves of their method.

"By Comcast not acknowledging that they do this at all, there's no way to report any problems with it," Topolski said.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
10/19/2007 9:19:58 AM EDT
[#1]
HOW WILL I GET MY PORN?????????? BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!
10/19/2007 9:22:48 AM EDT
[#2]
This is going to be funny when World of Warcraft players can't update their game anymore as Blizzard has been using BitTorrent since day one to update every patch to players.
10/19/2007 9:34:01 AM EDT
[#3]

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This is going to be funny when World of Warcraft players can't update their game anymore as Blizzard has been using BitTorrent since day one to update every patch to players.


Thats the first thing I thought about.
10/19/2007 9:35:29 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

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This is going to be funny when World of Warcraft players can't update their game anymore as Blizzard has been using BitTorrent since day one to update every patch to players.


Thats the first thing I thought about.


nerd!  oh wait....  
10/19/2007 9:36:31 AM EDT
[#5]
Leave them and go to someone else.
10/19/2007 9:37:42 AM EDT
[#6]
Does this also affect encrypted bittorrent packets ala uTorrent?
10/19/2007 9:39:11 AM EDT
[#7]

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This is going to be funny when World of Warcraft players can't update their game anymore as Blizzard has been using BitTorrent since day one to update every patch to players.


Lots of people use BitTorrent these days to distribute completely legitimate software.  Linux distro's, WoW patches and StarCraft 2 teaser/gameplay movies, America's Army... all things that are distributed via BT and are completely legal to get via BT.
10/19/2007 9:39:14 AM EDT
[#8]
Batards.    Leaving them isn't an option for many people since DSL is much less available than cable, and also about 1/3 as fast.  Yes I know FIOS is out there, for about 1% of people.  
10/19/2007 9:39:17 AM EDT
[#9]
I've known about this for a while. I think I read it first on Arstechnica.

To be honest, I can't say I blame them for wanting to manage the bandwidth. The way they're doing it is kind of kludgy, though.
10/19/2007 9:41:29 AM EDT
[#10]
Someone will just come out with a different type of P2P software.  Wait a month or two.
10/19/2007 9:42:18 AM EDT
[#11]
10/19/2007 9:44:08 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Leave them and go to someone else.


Many places that have Comcast are stuck with ONLY Comcast, such as Leon County, FL. They wanted to be the only game in town and the city commission of Tallahassee approved it.
10/19/2007 9:44:44 AM EDT
[#13]


Peer-to-peer applications account for between 50 percent and 90 percent of overall Internet traffic, according to a survey this year by ipoque GmbH, a German vendor of traffic-management equipment.


Gee... i'm glad they narrowed that down....
10/19/2007 9:45:09 AM EDT
[#14]
Seems to me they've just accepted legal liability for all the kiddie porn that might travel across their network.

You can only claim to be a "common carrier" when you carry everything equally... you don't know what the traffic is, you just move it from point A to point B.  Once you start touching the traffic itself, you can no longer claim to be an uninvolved third party to any illegal activity.
10/19/2007 9:45:29 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Does this also affect encrypted bittorrent packets ala uTorrent?


It doesn't matter if the data portion of the packet is encrypted or not. Comcast is setting the RST flag in the TCP header.
10/19/2007 9:45:37 AM EDT
[#16]

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Seems to me they've just accepted legal liability for all the kiddie porn that might travel across their network.

You can only claim to be a "common carrier" when you carry everything equally... you don't know what the traffic is, you just move it from point A to point B.  Once you start touching the traffic itself, you can no longer claim to be an uninvolved third party to any illegal activity.


Oh shit!  
10/19/2007 9:56:43 AM EDT
[#17]

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Seems to me they've just accepted legal liability for all the kiddie porn that might travel across their network.

You can only claim to be a "common carrier" when you carry everything equally... you don't know what the traffic is, you just move it from point A to point B.  Once you start touching the traffic itself, you can no longer claim to be an uninvolved third party to any illegal activity.


Oh shit!  


Eh, not really. The difference between what they're doing and the normal stuff a router (or firewall) does to TCP headers is splitting hairs. That'd never fly, unless the judge plugs his ears and says" la la la, I can't hear you".
10/19/2007 9:58:20 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Seems to me they've just accepted legal liability for all the kiddie porn that might travel across their network.

You can only claim to be a "common carrier" when you carry everything equally... you don't know what the traffic is, you just move it from point A to point B.  Once you start touching the traffic itself, you can no longer claim to be an uninvolved third party to any illegal activity.


Oh shit!  


Eh, not really. The difference between what they're doing and the normal stuff a router (or firewall) does to TCP headers is splitting hairs. That'd never fly, unless the judge plugs his ears and says" la la la, I can't hear you".


Damnit.  
10/19/2007 9:59:28 AM EDT
[#19]

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Leave them and go to someone else.


Yup, go to DSL.

And when one gets mad at the DSL guy, one goes back to ComCast.

10/19/2007 9:59:56 AM EDT
[#20]
All my torrents are still working like usual.
10/19/2007 10:00:30 AM EDT
[#21]

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Leave them and go to someone else.


Very few people have more then one good option for high-speed internet access. I don't think much of anyone has more then two. Hell, a lot of people are lucky to have a single option. That's why this pisses people off - they can make up these policies with no input from anyone, and virtually nobody has any way to switch to another provider or do anything to get full internet access.

10/19/2007 10:02:14 AM EDT
[#22]
wasnt ATT talking about doing the same thing a few months back ?

10/19/2007 10:02:44 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

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Does this also affect encrypted bittorrent packets ala uTorrent?


It doesn't matter if the data portion of the packet is encrypted or not. Comcast is setting the RST flag in the TCP header.


But how are they detecting that they are bittorrent packets in the first place? I think just about everybody randomizes the port these days, so if the contents are properly encrypted, how can they tell?

10/19/2007 10:02:45 AM EDT
[#24]

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"We don't believe that any Internet provider should be able to discriminate, block or impair their consumers ability to send or receive legal content over the Internet," said Free Press spokeswoman Jen Howard.


They own the network, you communist twat. It's their gear. People like me configure it. Go fuck yourself. Implement your own nationwide infrastructure if you want to run it differently. They don't owe you shit. If you're unhappy with the way they do things, cancel your service.
10/19/2007 10:03:38 AM EDT
[#25]
and to bring this into a gun conversation..  



how is this not seen as interfering with interstate commerce ?
10/19/2007 10:05:24 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

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"We don't believe that any Internet provider should be able to discriminate, block or impair their consumers ability to send or receive legal content over the Internet," said Free Press spokeswoman Jen Howard.


They own the network, you communist twat. It's their gear. People like me configure it. Go fuck yourself. Implement your own nationwide infrastructure if you want to run it differently. They don't owe you shit. If you're unhappy with the way they do things, cancel your service.


OK  subnet  your right on its their network...   but then if your gonna block stuff...
don't sell the service as  " unlimited access"
10/19/2007 10:05:39 AM EDT
[#27]

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"We don't believe that any Internet provider should be able to discriminate, block or impair their consumers ability to send or receive legal content over the Internet," said Free Press spokeswoman Jen Howard.


They own the network, you communist twat. It's their gear. People like me configure it. Go fuck yourself. Implement your own nationwide infrastructure if you want to run it differently. They don't owe you shit. If you're unhappy with the way they do things, cancel your service.


But there needs to be different considerations when they are a monopoly or near-monopoly as they are in many cases.
10/19/2007 10:08:05 AM EDT
[#28]

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and to bring this into a gun conversation..  



how is this not seen as interfering with interstate commerce ?


DUH. Its not convenient
10/19/2007 10:08:29 AM EDT
[#29]
This is the same thing as if you asked a truck driver to haul your stuff and he said no, I dont haul cars.

Find someone else to haul cars or dont get the car at all.
10/19/2007 10:08:56 AM EDT
[#30]

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Quoted:

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"We don't believe that any Internet provider should be able to discriminate, block or impair their consumers ability to send or receive legal content over the Internet," said Free Press spokeswoman Jen Howard.


They own the network, you communist twat. It's their gear. People like me configure it. Go fuck yourself. Implement your own nationwide infrastructure if you want to run it differently. They don't owe you shit. If you're unhappy with the way they do things, cancel your service.


But there needs to be different considerations when they are a monopoly or near-monopoly as they are in many cases.


So? It's internet access. It's not a necessity, and it's certainly not a right. They can decide to pull the plug, too and say "fuck it".

People are free to compete with them and roll out alternatives (including wireless).

I *really* hope you guys aren't suggesting that the federal government tells private companies how to configure their routers.
10/19/2007 10:09:27 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

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"We don't believe that any Internet provider should be able to discriminate, block or impair their consumers ability to send or receive legal content over the Internet," said Free Press spokeswoman Jen Howard.


They own the network, you communist twat. It's their gear. People like me configure it. Go fuck yourself. Implement your own nationwide infrastructure if you want to run it differently. They don't owe you shit. If you're unhappy with the way they do things, cancel your service.


actually the reason they own is it they were HIGHLY FUCKING SUBSIDIZED by our government    to get the network we have to day.   So we do have a legitimate stake in it, thanks to the communists twats who bent over for big telco.

And if there were EVER a time for eminent domain, if someone started play god with the net would be the time to exercise it.

10/19/2007 10:10:52 AM EDT
[#32]
Is this why my Ubuntu upgrade is constantly jumping up and down in download speeds from a low of 15 minutes to a high of 4 days 8 hours?
10/19/2007 10:14:43 AM EDT
[#33]
from the article..  < for those that are too lazy to read it..   >
But with "peer-to-peer" technology, users exchange files with each other, and one person's upload is another's download. That means Comcast's blocking of certain uploads has repercussions in the global network of file sharers.

Comcast's technology kicks in, though not consistently, when one BitTorrent user attempts to share a complete file with another user.

Each PC gets a message invisible to the user that looks like it comes from the other computer, telling it to stop communicating. But neither message originated from the other computer — it comes from Comcast. If it were a telephone conversation, it would be like the operator breaking into the conversation, telling each talker in the voice of the other: "Sorry, I have to hang up. Good bye."

10/19/2007 10:15:56 AM EDT
[#34]
Deceptive?  Unethical?  No, not Comcast.  Couldn't be!
10/19/2007 10:17:21 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
Leave them and go to someone else.

Ya, and while I'm at it I'm dumping the damn electric company as well.
Oh wait, it'd suck to sit in the dark and not surf arfcom.
There is no one else where I live.
10/19/2007 10:18:17 AM EDT
[#36]

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actually the reason they own is it they were HIGHLY FUCKING SUBSIDIZED by our government    to get the network we have to day.   So we do have a legitimate stake in it, thanks to the communists twats who bent over for big telco.

And if there were EVER a time for eminent domain, if someone started play god with the net would be the time to exercise it.



The current infrastructure and backbone bears almost no resemblance to ARPANET, if that's what you're getting at. It's been expanded (subsidy free) by private companies for years.

Shit, it's like being given an axe and replacing the blade once, and the handle twice.
10/19/2007 10:18:57 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Leave them and go to someone else.

Ya, and while I'm at it I'm dumping the damn electric company as well.
Oh wait, it'd suck to sit in the dark and not surf arfcom.
There is no one else where I live.


Dialup. Or are you going to not only claim a right to internet access, but internet access at a speed you dictate?
10/19/2007 10:20:32 AM EDT
[#38]

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Quoted:

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Seems to me they've just accepted legal liability for all the kiddie porn that might travel across their network.

You can only claim to be a "common carrier" when you carry everything equally... you don't know what the traffic is, you just move it from point A to point B.  Once you start touching the traffic itself, you can no longer claim to be an uninvolved third party to any illegal activity.


Oh shit!  


Eh, not really. The difference between what they're doing and the normal stuff a router (or firewall) does to TCP headers is splitting hairs. That'd never fly, unless the judge plugs his ears and says" la la la, I can't hear you".


Besides the fact they're violating the RFCs, they're doing that to target a specific type of traffic.  So, if you can stop BitTorrent, you can stop kiddie porn, too.

I hope their BGP peers drop them for the RFC violation.  I know that won't happen, as money is far more important than principles.

And I hope they wind up in a court trying to explain to a tech-unsavvy judge just how it is that they can stop BitTorrent but are powerless but are powerless to stop kiddie porn, terrorists making plans, etc.

Ahh well, if I was a Comcast customer, I'd just establish a VPN with one of my colocated servers
10/19/2007 10:20:57 AM EDT
[#39]

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Quoted:

Quoted:

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"We don't believe that any Internet provider should be able to discriminate, block or impair their consumers ability to send or receive legal content over the Internet," said Free Press spokeswoman Jen Howard.


They own the network, you communist twat. It's their gear. People like me configure it. Go fuck yourself. Implement your own nationwide infrastructure if you want to run it differently. They don't owe you shit. If you're unhappy with the way they do things, cancel your service.


But there needs to be different considerations when they are a monopoly or near-monopoly as they are in many cases.


So? It's internet access. It's not a necessity, and it's certainly not a right. They can decide to pull the plug, too and say "fuck it".

People are free to compete with them and roll out alternatives (including wireless).

I *really* hope you guys aren't suggesting that the federal government tells private companies how to configure their routers.


They aren't very private, as Dino points out they are heavily subsidized.  Plus, monopolies are inherently anti-competitive.  They need to either be broken up or forced to give up their anti-competitive behavior.  
10/19/2007 10:21:02 AM EDT
[#40]
Here is a valid option (until Tier-1 providers start shaping traffic).



eta: Subnet is 100% correct: you don't want the gov't dictating SLAs to providers. That does not mean that we can't find sneaky workarounds.
10/19/2007 10:24:35 AM EDT
[#41]

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Here is a valid option (until Tier-1 providers start shaping traffic).



eta: Subnet is 100% correct: you don't want the gov't dictating SLAs to providers. That does not mean that we can't find sneaky workarounds.


+ iptables.
10/19/2007 10:26:35 AM EDT
[#42]

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They aren't very private, as Dino points out they are heavily subsidized.  Plus, monopolies are inherently anti-competitive.  They need to either be broken up or forced to give up their anti-competitive behavior.  


Give me your phone number, and I'll give you a list of no less than 5 dialup ISP's with local access numbers.

And I'd like somebody to explain (with actual numbers) how Comcast is subsidized. At this point in the discussion, it's an assumption.
10/19/2007 10:28:17 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
"We don't believe that any Internet provider should be able to discriminate, block or impair their consumers ability to send or receive legal content over the Internet," said Free Press spokeswoman Jen Howard.


They own the network, you communist twat. It's their gear. People like me configure it. Go fuck yourself. Implement your own nationwide infrastructure if you want to run it differently. They don't owe you shit. If you're unhappy with the way they do things, cancel your service.


It's true...they own the network.  However, they need to be completely forthcoming in the service they offer.  I would like to see it documented like this "We at Comcast provide unlimited service...blah...blah...however we do limit BitTorrent uploads to preserve network performance."  I don't want to find out after the fact.  They also claim unlimited access but we have all heard of some people getting termed when they exceed some secret monthly limit.  Bottom line is that if I give you some money I want to know exactly what I am buying.

ETA: I am not a Comcast subscriber.
10/19/2007 10:29:47 AM EDT
[#44]

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+ iptables.

The pissy part is that blocking RST packets with iptables will only fix one side of the p2p connection.
10/19/2007 10:30:45 AM EDT
[#45]

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They aren't very private, as Dino points out they are heavily subsidized.  Plus, monopolies are inherently anti-competitive.  They need to either be broken up or forced to give up their anti-competitive behavior.  


They are not "heavily subsidized".  Comcast is a cable company.  They might receive some subsidies, but not much... they have no "universal coverage" mandate like phones.  You can be way out in the boonies and get a phone, but you won't see cable in your lifetime because it just isn't profitable for them to roll cable out to you.

I do think it would be a good idea to force the cable companies to divest their physical infrastructure from their content delivery, kinda like how SBC spun off the physical wires to another company, ASI.  Let all content compete equally for access to the physical infrastructure.
10/19/2007 10:32:26 AM EDT
[#46]

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Batards.    Leaving them isn't an option for many people since DSL is much less available than cable, and also about 1/3 as fast.  Yes I know FIOS is out there, for about 1% of people.  


And let me tell you, being a 1 percenter is such sweet goodness.  
10/19/2007 10:35:18 AM EDT
[#47]

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Besides the fact they're violating the RFCs, they're doing that to target a specific type of traffic.  So, if you can stop BitTorrent, you can stop kiddie porn, too.

I hope their BGP peers drop them for the RFC violation.  I know that won't happen, as money is far more important than principles.

And I hope they wind up in a court trying to explain to a tech-unsavvy judge just how it is that they can stop BitTorrent but are powerless but are powerless to stop kiddie porn, terrorists making plans, etc.

Ahh well, if I was a Comcast customer, I'd just establish a VPN with one of my colocated servers


No, because you can't identify the contents of a jpeg (other than theoretically being able to theoretically tell it's a jpeg), but you CAN identify source and destination ports and addresses. You're really reaching here, in an effort to justify government intrusion. You really don't want this.

And if you're going to start suggesting that RFC's be strictly adhered to under the law, then Microsoft is going to be spending (more) time in court. Do W3C standards count too? Because IE doesn't implement CSS to the letter.

I agree with you on the last part. There are tons of way to work around this. The free market always prevails.
10/19/2007 10:36:44 AM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Leave them and go to someone else.

Ya, and while I'm at it I'm dumping the damn electric company as well.
Oh wait, it'd suck to sit in the dark and not surf arfcom.
There is no one else where I live.


Dialup. Or are you going to not only claim a right to internet access, but internet access at a speed you dictate?

No, I'm going to claim I want and or need fucking broadband.
Dial up is not broadband, I was pointing out the stupidity of saying go with someone else. There is no one else offering the same product here!!!!

BTW, did I ask for them to stop?
Did I ask the gubmit ta fix it?
Did I claim a right to anything anywhere in my post?

10/19/2007 10:37:48 AM EDT
[#49]

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+ iptables.

The pissy part is that blocking RST packets with iptables will only fix one side of the p2p connection.


True. Everybody needs to run Linux and learn iptables. Problem solved.

Actually, just setting up a VPN tunnel to a remote box, or (as you suggested) running bittorrent on a $7.95/mo leased server takes care of it.
10/19/2007 10:38:51 AM EDT
[#50]

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No, I'm going to claim I want and or need fucking broadband.
Dial up is not broadband, I was pointing out the stupidity of saying go with someone else. There is no one else offering the same product here!!!!

BTW, did I ask for them to stop?
Did I ask the gubmit ta fix it?
Did I claim a right to anything anywhere in my post?



I thought it was implied. I was wrong. My bad.

I get touchy on subjects like this.
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