Posted: 9/3/2013 5:31:56 PM EDT
| Kids school started this shit.....wtf???? |
| Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. |
| government control of they're kids, not yours,,, You are just the birth parents ..take a day to read the entire thing.. it's scary. 12 years of your kids school records and they will place your child in the job they tell you.... because common core says so because of all the records they have. your kids are sheep under this system |
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Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. |
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Quoted: Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. |
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My county's curriculum interpreted the state requirements so badly that CC is refreshing. My materials will actually align with standards now. Best part is, there's sooo much material to use since some states have been at it for years. Hashing out FL standards got frustrating. |
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Quoted: Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Quoted: Quoted: Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally)
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Quoted: Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally) Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally) |
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Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Quoted:
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Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Not exactly. You offered that thread as your opinion on the issue. While I respect your subject area expertise as an educator, much of the membership who posted disagreed with you for a variety of reasons. Members posted their personal educational experiences, including memorization of basic mathematic skills which you mocked, congratulating them for "do(ing) the same thing as a calculator purchased at the dollar store". So I wouldn't say it was "hashed out"... more like it fell off the front page. |
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it's the feds forcing themselves into education at the state level. fucking DOE. thanks dickwad Carter.
the US gov't also managed to get all the major textbook companies on board for Common Core - under the guise that it will increase their profits when all the schools need to order all new CC compliant books. another sell out on the part of corporate America..... 
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Read this............
Common Core: Nationalized State-Run Education |
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Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally) How much time have you spent teaching and working on curriculum? For me: over 27 years. I'm not having anything to do with CC. If your school is so bad CC is an improvement your kids are really in serious trouble. |
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Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally) How much time have you spent teaching and working on curriculum? CC is new to CA. My wife has been piloting it for the last 2 years, I've spent a year learning about it in classes (earning my second teaching credential), and a year teaching/planning for it. It is much more difficult than what we had before. Before math was memorization, now the teachers have to get kids to think, communicate, collaborate, explain, AND get the right answer. |
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Smells like renorming the tests to make the schools appear successful Look at standardized testing for an 8th grade at the turn of the century (1900) vs now Eta idiocracy much? Quoted:
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Is there less standardized testing? Smells like renorming the tests to make the schools appear successful Look at standardized testing for an 8th grade at the turn of the century (1900) vs now Eta idiocracy much? Nope, in the short term it will likely lower test scores as many areas don't have a clue on how to teach kids to think and not just memorize. |
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it's the feds forcing themselves into education at the state level. fucking DOE. thanks dickwad Carter. the US gov't also managed to get all the major textbook companies on board for Common Core - under the guise that it will increase their profits when all the schools need to order all new CC compliant books. another sell out on the part of corporate America..... The states have failed. Miserably. |
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CC is new to CA. My wife has been piloting it for the last 2 years, I've spent a year learning about it in classes (earning my second teaching credential), and a year teaching/planning for it. It is much more difficult than what we had before. Before math was memorization, now the teachers have to get kids to think, communicate, collaborate, explain, AND get the right answer. Quoted:
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Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally) How much time have you spent teaching and working on curriculum? CC is new to CA. My wife has been piloting it for the last 2 years, I've spent a year learning about it in classes (earning my second teaching credential), and a year teaching/planning for it. It is much more difficult than what we had before. Before math was memorization, now the teachers have to get kids to think, communicate, collaborate, explain, AND get the right answer. Its not just in math. 
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Its not just in math. Yea, thanks, I know. Math is where I'm seeing the biggest improvement. In social science it is a lot more proving your point by citing references. In ELA it is a lot more non fiction text. I've read the standards, I'm wondering how many people in this thread talking shit about them have actually read them? http://www.corestandards.org/ |
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it's the feds forcing themselves into education at the state level. fucking DOE. thanks dickwad Carter. the US gov't also managed to get all the major textbook companies on board for Common Core - under the guise that it will increase their profits when all the schools need to order all new CC compliant books. another sell out on the part of corporate America..... The states have failed. Miserably. Yep, and so has the federal gov. and the citizens for allowing it all. |
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I just don't care what goes on at government schools. You should. How do you think we got into this mess in the first place? It started with John Dewey about 1900, and it's "progressed" to where we are today. |
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Yea, thanks, I know. Math is where I'm seeing the biggest improvement. In social science it is a lot more proving your point by citing references. In ELA it is a lot more non fiction text. I've read the standards, I'm wondering how many people in this thread talking shit about them have actually read them? http://www.corestandards.org/ Quoted:
Its not just in math. Yea, thanks, I know. Math is where I'm seeing the biggest improvement. In social science it is a lot more proving your point by citing references. In ELA it is a lot more non fiction text. I've read the standards, I'm wondering how many people in this thread talking shit about them have actually read them? http://www.corestandards.org/ You and I, I would wager. |
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Quoted: Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally) Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally) |
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it's the feds forcing themselves into education at the state level. fucking DOE. thanks dickwad Carter. the US gov't also managed to get all the major textbook companies on board for Common Core - under the guise that it will increase their profits when all the schools need to order all new CC compliant books. another sell out on the part of corporate America..... The states have failed. Miserably. Care to elaborate on that statement? And why is that the Fed's problem? |
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Had back to school night tonight myself with my two fifth graders. They were gushing about the awesomeness of common core. I am seriously considering private school or home school now because will be increasingly hard for them to be successful learning that 2+2 can be 5 if you believe you are right. Wrong answers are not given full credit under common core. Some idiot teachers have said this and it simply isn't true. It's just like when you take a higher level math class (say calculus) and you have a whole page of work, but make a simple addition mistake you still earn MOST of the points. This thread is a dupe too, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1524632_Common_Core_is_a_step_in_the_right_direction.html It's already been hashed out on arfcom. Like clockwork, here is our resident government school apologist. (Who is a government school teacher, coincidentally) How much time have you spent teaching and working on curriculum? He heard about it on talk radio. It must be true. |
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One problem I have with it:
Attribution; Copyright Notice: NGA Center/CCSSO shall be acknowledged as the sole owners and developers of the Common Core State Standards, and no claims to the contrary shall be made. Any publication or public display shall include the following notice: “© Copyright 2010. National Governors Association Center for Best Practices and Council of Chief State School Officers. All rights reserved.” http://www.corestandards.org/public-license Another: Founder and CEO – Student Achievement Partners David Coleman is founder and CEO of Student Achievement Partners, LLC, an organization that assembles leading thinkers and researchers to design actions to substantially improve student achievement. Most recently, he and Jason Zimba of Student Achievement Partners played a lead role in developing the Common Core State Standards in math and literacy. The two also founded the Grow Network – acquired by McGraw-Hill in 2005 – which has become the nation’s leader in assessment reporting and customized instructional materials. http://commoncorestandards.com/faq/authors-of-the-common-core-state-standards/ From another site: Less than a year later, the Chicago Public Education Fund began negotiating a contract with Grow Network on behalf of Chicago Public Schools. The Chicago Public Education Fund (‘The Fund’) was created in 1998 by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) board of directors, which included Barack Obama as board chairman and Bill Ayers, as co-chair. President Obama’s newly appointed Commerce Secretary, Penny Pritzker, was one of twelve founding board members appointed to The Fund. Obama himself worked with The Fund for the next several years as a leadership council member, along side Bill Ayers’ father, Thomas Ayers, and brother, John Ayers. http://danetteclark.wordpress.com/category/common-corecscopeces-connection/ Another: November 20, 2012 It was a careful and thoughtful process that led to the development of the new Common Core State Standards. The purpose behind this effort is to give all students across our nation the same high skills and critical knowledge they need when they graduate, whatever their choice of college or career. The federal government was not involved in the development of the standards... At Montlake, we are transitioning into using The Common Core State Standards (CCSS) to inform our instruction in mathematics and English Language Arts. Montlake is one of several schools to begin incorporating the new standards into our instruction. These standards are important because they define the knowledge and skills students need to succeed in entry-level, credit-bearing, academic college courses and in workforce training programs. The standards are based on the best national and international standards, giving our students a competitive advantage in the global economy... Montlake is a leader among Seattle Public Schools in piloting the Common Core Standards interim assessments in reading and mathematics AND aligning our instruction in mathematics and reading. We reached out to pilot the mathematics curriculum enVision and ReThinking Mathematics. From The Blog of Seattle Principal Claudia Allan 
Sounds all nice and great for the kids, doesn't it? Even the press piece gives you a warm fuzzy feeling: At a time when racial and class inequalities are growing in our country, we believe that any vision of schooling must be grounded in "the common school." Schools are about more than producing efficient workers or future winners of the Nobel Prize for science. They are the place in this society where children from a variety of backgrounds come together and, at least in theory, learn to talk, play, and work together. Schools are integral not only to preparing all children to be full participants in society, but also to be full participants in this country's ever-tenuous experiment in democracy. That this vision has yet to be fully realized does not mean it should be abandoned. http://www.rethinkingschools.org/about/index.shtml Let's consider some of the materials: "At some point I ask the class to describe the super rich: the one percent" *** "Students, for example, added up the totla number of years in which the United States had a slave-owning president in office, and compared that total to the number of years in which there were non-slave-owning presidents in office. On the last day of school she came up to me amid the congratulatory good-byes and said "I still think that Lincon owned slaves". "You are a smart girl, but you are wrong about that one" I responded. "We'll see" she said. "You didn't know that Grant had slaves when the school year started! Why should I always believe what my teachers say?" Google Books page captures Great to see those "critical thinking" skills being developed, isn't it? In a chapter titled, “Write the Truth: Presidents and Slaves,” “Rethinking” editor and Milwaukee teachers union President Bob Peterson explains how he used Freire’s approach with his fifth-grade students: “Specific objectives for this mini-unit (about slave-owning U.S. presidents), such as reviewing the use of percentages, emerged as the lessons unfolded. But its main purpose was to help students critically examine the actions of early leaders of the United States and become skeptical of textbooks and government websites as sources that present the entire picture. “I figure that if kids start questioning the ‘official story’ early on, they will be more open to alternative viewpoints later on. While discovering which presidents were slave owners is not an in-depth analysis, it pokes an important hole in the godlike mystique that surrounds the ‘founding fathers.’” https://eagnews.org/new-book-shows-teachers-how-to-mix-traditional-math-with-social-justice-political-lessons/ Hey, those founders were wrong about slavery, they must be wrong about the 2nd and 4th Amendments. After all, getting rid of guns and checking everybody's e-mail and phone calls makes us safer... |
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The Math teachers here think it's great. The real problem is in Humanities. Many of the curricula are full of socialist indoctrination. That is my real concern. I don't see the math portion being the big problem. My concern has to do with Social Studies and English material. Also, assuming some of the material is good, why do states or schools need to sign up with some nation-wide, government influenced program to use it? |
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That is my real concern. I don't see the math portion being the big problem. My concern has to do with Social Studies and English material. Also, assuming some of the material is good, why do states or schools need to sign up with some nation-wide, government influenced program to use it? Quoted:
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The Math teachers here think it's great. The real problem is in Humanities. Many of the curricula are full of socialist indoctrination. That is my real concern. I don't see the math portion being the big problem. My concern has to do with Social Studies and English material. Also, assuming some of the material is good, why do states or schools need to sign up with some nation-wide, government influenced program to use it? What we (parents of two kids in school) have been told is the common core program will facilitate a child's transfer to another school. If they are in 3rd grade in IL they can switch to 3rd grade in KY and be on the same page in the book so to speak. I spend a lot of time volunteering at the school so I will be watching for any socialist type education. |