Posted: 9/16/2002 6:48:46 AM EDT
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A couple months ago my P4 1.5Ghz PC got hit in a bad lightening storm. Since the VA buys all my computer stuff for me, they decided to buy another PC for me. This time I was to get an AMD 1.8Ghz machine. I thought I was pretty lucky to have had my old machine get hit by lightening at this pont. Anyway, 2 weeks later, the computer shop calls me and says I can pick up my new computer. I get it home and a couple days later check the processor out. It's an AMD 1800+ which has a clock speed of only 1.53Ghz! He gave me the wrong processor! I took it back and he tried telling me it was a 1.8 so I had to pull out some literature from AMD showing clock speeds. Next thing I know I am in his office and he is asking me to not tell the VA and he would make my PC right. I figured he made a simple mistake and I wouldn't ruin his contract so I agreed. Another 2 weeks later my PC is ready, again. I got to pick it up and notice it is Intel stuff now (mother board and P4 cpu). I prefer the AMD, but I figured what the hell it's a computer. I got the thing home and it worked great. Another week later I cracked open the case to see how many RAM slots I had and I found that my ethernet card and soundcard are hardwired to the motherboard! The computer shop kept the good soundcard and ethernet card (bought after the lightening strike)!!! I just got off the phone with them and he said, "Oh yeah, they are sitting right here. You can come get them." like he wasn't going to offer them back to me unless I asked. The first time I wrote off as a mistake, the second time, however, shows the guy is either crooked or just really stupid. Even though I told him I wouldn't notify the VA, I am thinking about telling them now. Do you all think I should rat them out? |
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what you have there is an idiot or a crook. If those adapter cards were in your old pc they belong to you. The new system board aparently has audio and ethernet on board. No big deal. But those are still your cards. They should have gone back to you or been reinstalled in your new system. If he has been a jerk about the process i might consider the phone call. If you think this might have been an honest mistake. then i'd let it ride. You never know who actually did the upgrade. He may have some 6.00hr a+ flunky doing them. |
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You would NOT be a "Rat", a rat is someone who comes down on his peers or fellow members of an organization. This computer company is clearly skimming parts and doing the old swap and downgrade routine, a lot of these computer stores do this because of rapid deprecation, technology changes and thin profit margins on main components. If they are doing this to you, then they are doing this to other vets and customers and you should contact the appropriate people at the VA and your local business association, and if you can contact other customers that have been victims of this computer company it will help a great deal. There are plenty of reputable companies out there selling computers that would relish the opportunity to do business with the VA. If this was just some regular company pulling one of these scams I would not loose any sleep over it, but what is so vial about this is they are taking advantage of people who for the most part are older and have served there country. |
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Actually, it sounds like an honest mistake. How do we know that the person working on it the second time around knew the card was yours? If someone had "stolen" your ethernet or sound cards, it would have been gone or in another machine by the time you noticed and called them back, but no, it was just sitting there. Besides, you should have taken them out before you brought the computer back to them if you knew they would be doing major surgery. You got ripped off? Hardly. The government got ripped-off having to provide for someone elses computer...TWICE... You should be so lucky. |
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Why should I take it out? He is getting paid to build a new computer (and use the good ethernet card and sound card I provided). As for me getting ripped off, yes I did get ripped off and so did the VA. These are my benefits I earned through service and when I get screwed out of them, then I get ripped off. That's the other thing. He has been really friendly too me, in a used car salesman kinda way. Which makes me think he is afraid of me taking to the right (wrong) people. Then again I could just be paranoid. Either way, I just made an appointment to speak with my VA Vocational Rehab advisor about the whole thing. |
| Let me get this straight. The computer shop has a government contract and you suspect they are ripping off the taxpayers? I don't think any one who deals with the gov trys to rip us off! (sarcasticly!) When he told you in his initial contact not to tell the VA that should have rung a warning bell to you. Report your suspisions. |
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after thining about this some more i think you should contact the VA with a complaint. If this is an isolated case he will not lose the contract and in all honesty the VA will do nothing about it anyway. If this has happened before and they have a record of this then he needs to loose the contract. At the very least this would start a paper trail for the VA in this becomes a problem in the future. mike |
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I think you misunderstood the part about the processors: an AMD 1800+ has a clock speed of 1.53 Ghz an AMD 2200+ has a clock speed of 1.8 Ghz Here is the link to AMD's white papaers on their XP processors. http://athlonxp.amd.com/includes/content/whitePapers/benchmarkingModelNumbering.pdf |
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Quoted: I think you misunderstood the part about the processors: an AMD 1800+ has a clock speed of 1.53 Ghz an AMD 2200+ has a clock speed of 1.8 Ghz Here is the link to AMD's white papaers on their XP processors. http://athlonxp.amd.com/includes/content/whitePapers/benchmarkingModelNumbering.pdf No, I didn't misunderstand. I know what the actual speeds are. However, computer makers utilizing AMD processors list the speed at it's rating, not it's actual, in order to compete with Pentium 4 systems. the_reject |
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I guess I don't understand. I am just going off what the white papers said. How does Intel rate their speeds? Can you send me the literature you found on this. [email protected] Thanks! |
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Quoted: I guess I don't understand. I am just going off what the white papers said. How does Intel rate their speeds? Can you send me the literature you found on this. [email protected] Thanks! What Intel rates their processors, they actually are. AMD can't up the front side bus on their processors to keep up in the numbers game that Intel is running (higher numbers are better, right? RIGHT?!?). So AMD resorted to PR ratings - just like they did in the Pentium days. They rate their processors and give a certain actual speed a certain rating to show that it performs comparable to the Pentium 4. In most cases, the AMD 1800+ (which is running at 1.53GHz) chip runs programs FASTER than a 1.8GHz Pentium 4. But, that point is always subject to debate and interpretation based on which benchmark set is being used. the_reject |
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Quoted: Either way, my receipt says AMD 1.8Ghz processor. According to the white papers from AMD that is an 2200+. Instead the computer guy gave me the 1800+. No matter what standards are used to benchmark the chip, he still gave me the wrong one. That misrepresentation to you, the customer, further supports my feeling that he is a scumbag. Report his ass. the_reject |
| The AMD 1800+ chip runs at 1.53mhz but is faster than the Intel 1.8mhz P4 chips; The AMD is also a cheaper chip. Unfortunately many computer shops keep old cards and recycle them if you do not ask for them back. And if you did not tell him those cards were yours when you took the machine in he would have no way of knowing, he may have a deal with the VA to keep the old parts. You will probably be wasting your time complaining to the VA. |
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Quoted: First off, a 1.8GHZ AMD IS a 1.53GHz processor. He wasn't lying about that. Second of all, he's still a rat bastard for swiping your cards, and I certainly wouldn't do business with him again. the_reject not quite, your a little off the Athlon XP 1800+ is a 1.53GHz chip, the 1800 signifies it performs like a 1.8GHz, but it is never advertised AS a 1.8GHz only as a equivilent to it. the 2000+ runs at 1.664GHz while the 1900+ 1.6GHz. its a numbers game. there is a 1.8GHz chip out. wouldnt buy it though, 2200+ i belive. my 1.664 if fast enough till the Hammers 'n' Bartons arrive. |
| Uh did the VA replace this machine via a insurance policy? IF so then sorry the cards are his, this is just like wrecking your car. In order to get the payout you have to give ownership of it to the Insurance company. As for the P4 1.5G and going to a AMD 1.53G , so what it is a slight difference and you are getting a faster machine. While you are "ratting" this guy out, write a check to the VA to pay for the difference, you got a better machine than what was replaced. |
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not true. If the machine was replaced via insurance then only the base machine as recieved by the customer would be owned by the insurance company. Any after the fact upgrades would still be customer property. Had the adapter cards gone bad the VA's insurance i doubt would have covered them. The bottome line is this PC Vendor did screw up. In the PC world equipment is seldom replaced with like equipment after it is damaged. The older system I'm not calling this vendor a crook but complaint should be filed. |
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uh sorry I have to disagree, those are crucial parts to the base computer, next time you total your car ask the insurance company if you can keep the engine. Upgrading the internals of the computer is not like adding roof fringe or a Crown air freshner, items like than can be taken from the vehicle, as they wern't crucial componets. As for misrepresenting on the receipt, that is just a type-o, once I bought a FM Hi Power and the lady wrote FN on the receipt, so I should sue? turn her into the ATF because she can't properly record words on a receipt? or for what bad spelling? If you really want to complain, then yell at AMD over the crappy marketing ploy they are using. You got an even better machine than you were supposed to by threatning to turn him in, nice job on the blackmail. Let him keep the cards, or dump them on Ebay, you probably can't use them in your new machine anyway. Leave the computer store out of it, and as for it being more expenssive to replace an older machine, true but then again we are talking about a P4 1.5G, not a 486 here, they are in stock everywhere. |
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Sounds like a case of misunderstanding/miscommunication/marketing issues to me. As mentioned above, while AMD may list the actual processor speed somewhere in its documentation, a processor commercially refered to as a 1.8GHz does not exist. You cannot buy an AMD process that is called a "1.8GHz". They are all refered to as XP 1500+, 1600+, 1700+, 1800+, etc. The designation is there because processor speed does not mean everything - a 1500+, for example, is supposed to compare roughly equivalent to a 1.5GHz P4. However, not that many people are aware of this issue. While the PC Tech certainly should be, the person at the VA likely isn't. The VA likely intended to replace your PC with an XP 1800+ and contracted with the PC shop for an XP 1800+, but simply told you 1.8GHz (again, AMD no longer advertises their products under the actual processor speed). If so, the mistake is on their end, not the PC shop. As far as your upgrades go, it would seem that unless a specific agreement was made between you and the shop beforehand, you were responsible for removing (and then reinstalling) any additional hardware yourself. Unless you specifically mentioned these parts, how the heck was the PC guy supposed to know they were added afterwards? The VA likely contracts for a standard configuration with them, and that is exactly what they gave you. By simply handing in your old PC, it seems like you agreed to accept the new (working) PC in exchange for the old one, as is. Any questions about specific configuration should have been asked beforehand. If the VA was simply buying the PC outright, why did you even need to turn the old one in at all? It sounds like the VA may have an agreement with the shop to do this, and if so, you can't fault the shop. If they purchased the upgrades as well (you didn't mention this specifically, but since you mentioned they buy all the "computer stuff", I assume it is so), then it is their perogative to make any agreement with turning in X busted PC for Y working PC. So... to sum everything up, it seems to me like the VA contracted with a PC vendor to exchange your old fried 1.5GHz P4 for a new XP 1800+, which they then mistakenly refered to as a 1.8GHz (if the VA told you this and not the PC shop, it is on their end), which seems to be exactly what happened. If you did not bother to discuss the specific components with the PC shop any further, and they provided what the VA asked for (VA likely chose from a list of generic configurations they offer), then I don't think you can fault them. Rocko |
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no, sound and network adapters are optional upgrades to the base system. I do this for a living and you are incorrect. If the system is replaced under insurance/warranty terms, that coverage only affects the system as purchased. If he installed those adapters after the initial system purchase they belong to him. Same as system memory, extra drives, and any external devices. Not trying to hijack this thread just trying to clear up this point. |
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Beer Slayer- it does not matter if you do this for a living, or tend to goats, if the policy does not state he will get his parts back, then too bad they are no longer his, if he did not think to remove his own upgrades before sending it in for warranty/replacement, then it is his fault. When you send your Bushmaster back to the factory, do you leave your mags,slings, cleaning tools, scopes and such on the rifle? WHen you ship your computer back to Gateway and they replace the whole thing, do they send the origional one back to you as well? I think not. The Repair place is not a crook, Offspring did not ask for any parts back until AFTER he received his new machine and some time had passed. I still say he needs to pay the VA for the additional upgrades he squirmed out of the Repair place, but everyone is real quiet on that point. BTW I do it too for a living, and I tell everyone up front, or if the sign a contract, they are not getting any of their old parts back unless they are requested before any work begins. I have yet to have a sigle problem. |
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Quoted: if the policy does not state he will get his parts back, then too bad they are no longer his, if he did not think to remove his own upgrades before sending it in for warranty/replacement, then it is his fault. Every government contract i have ever been involved with is very specific regarding base hardware. They will only cover what is bought/sold. By your terms if his soundblaster live died you would expect the VA to cover it as it was "IN THE BOX", not so. Yes he has an obligation to remove those adapters prior to replacement. However, We both know most customers are not adept at this. Which gives the tech some moral obligation to check on things. The var knew what the base hardware config was and that is what they gave him. Likely the cards were left out as not needed and the tech did not know they were not part of the contracted system When you send your Bushmaster back to the factory, do you leave your mags,slings, cleaning tools, scopes and such on the rifle? No mine has never needed service [:D] WHen you ship your computer back to Gateway and they replace the whole thing, do they send the origional one back to you as well? I think not. No but they DO have an obligation to return anything installed that is not part of thier system. And i agree that i don't think the repair place is a crook. There is a lot here we don't know. However Offspring feels he had a problem. If the VA has a complaint system then one should be filed if the VAR doesn't resolve it to his satisfaction. If this vendor has a track record of questionable service it will be handled. If not then no problem.And here again i agree it will probobly be a waste of time. they are not getting any of their old parts back unless they are requested before any work begins And this is correct for warranty type work where parts will be sent back for warranty replacement. However, you should not be keepeing a customers sound card if you replace the system board. Even if the new board has OB audio. But that is between you and your customers. I'm done sorry to get off topic Offspring. |
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from another working the the PC service buis : The parts bought after the system was purchased are not covered under the system warrenty however the parts DO belong to the user as HE purchased them you send your are in for service due to a firing problem. they keep the upper you bought and ship you back a 16" when you shipped them a 20". to bad for you their policy didnt promise to return your own upper. |
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Quoted: The Intel is a higher cost machine. Sounds like when he swapped machines, he tried to recoup some of the money lost by taking out the sound and nic card...hmmm...makes you wonder, what if he never opened the case. Actually an XP2200+ is a bit more expensive than the P4 1.8, and the difference in motherboard prices is negligible. As I understand it, the guy at the shop probably just decided to give the customer what he was demanding, an 1.8ghz CPU, and if he was not told that the cards that were in it were installed by the owner, then he should have kept tham when he put in the new motherboard. As I read it Offspring picked up the AMD computer decided that he wanted to have a 1.8ghz computer liked he was promised, and took it back, the shop owner said OK and reconfigured it as an Intel setup which used onboard features, and put the now used motherboard, nic and sound card in the used pile and went on with his business. Now that hw jas been made aware that those cards belonged to the customer, he has offered to return them, what more could he do? Offer a dual xeon setup to make up for the inconvienience? Edited to add: Did the computer have a sound card and nic in it when you picked it up as a brand new system with the AMD CPU/MB, if it did what happened to those parts? |
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When any VA students get a computer upgrade any unused, broken, usable, left overs are to be returned to the veteran so they can be turned into the VA Vocational Rehab office. I found this out today from my advisor. She personally said I don't have to turn it in, and I could keep it. This means my computer that was hit by lightening (the whole thing) is mine even if it is fried. I went in the shop today and got my two boards. The guy gave me the wrong ones thoug... oh well, they are probably already in someone else's computer. The screwy part is my old machine that was "totally destroyed" by lightening was on their work station as a working machine. When I confronted him about it he said they are using it as a test machine. What the hell. I told my advisor the whole story and she told them to give me all the stuff back. Unfortunately they told her my computer was in a storage garage (lie). They are supposed to call me tomorrow so I can get the stuff. Anyway, she sent me to another company to get some high dollar items today so I wouldn't have to deal with them. At least they lost a $1237 sale... I feel better. One more thing I forgot to mention: The computer shop has 4 employees and the owner is pretty involved with everything that goes on with it. I know all the techs and they all know my situation by now. I could understand if this was a HUGE company, but it isn't. |
| "AMD 1800+ which has a clock speed of only 1.53Ghz! " Amd over clocks their processors. thats how they stay current with Intel. When an Intel says it is a 2.4ghz it is a 2.4 ghz. Amd on the other hand, well you have had your experience. If you want a good deal, Intel should be releasing their p4 3ghz by christmas. They Actually run at about 3.34ghz. We have just had them run through the production line. Stay with Intel. They offer the fastest chips out their. Of course I must add I work for Intel building these chips so I am a little biased. |
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Quoted: "AMD 1800+ which has a clock speed of only 1.53Ghz! " Amd over clocks their processors. thats how they stay current with Intel. When an Intel says it is a 2.4ghz it is a 2.4 ghz. Amd on the other hand, well you have had your experience. If you want a good deal, Intel should be releasing their p4 3ghz by christmas. They Actually run at about 3.34ghz. We have just had them run through the production line. Stay with Intel. They offer the fastest chips out their. Yeah if you want to pay over $500 for something that sometimes performs better than a similar $250 AMD chip. No thanks. AMD does NOT "overclock their processors". Their processors can't be overclocked unless you bump up the FSB as the multiplier is locked. AMD's numbering scene, while confusing at first, is not illegitimate. Intel has chosen to emphasize clock speed over instructions per clock cycle, AMD has chosen instructions per clock cycle over raw clock speed. And it's not AMD who is staying up with Intel, for the past few years it's been the other way around. Only in the last 6 months has Intel taken the lead as AMD has been very slow in releasing new CPUs. Not to mention that Intel's pricing is still ridiculous. Of course I must add I work for Intel building these chips so I am a little biased. Gee, what a shock eh? That explains the utter tripe you've let loose. |
| Of course it explains it. wouldn't you defend the product you make to? Anyways, lets talk about quality. Take the fan off your AMD chip and see what happens. You toats your board, your processor and any boards around it. Take your fan of an Intel chip and all it does is lock up and stop working. Motherboard is saved, processor is saved. I think TOMSHARDWARE.COM had a video of them doing this. AMD is a crap product and I will always buy Intel and have way before I started working here. |
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Quoted: Of course it explains it. wouldn't you defend the product you make too? Not if it wasn't the superior product! Anyways, lets talk about quality. Take the fan off your AMD chip and see what happens. You toats your board, your processor and any boards around it. Take your fan of an Intel chip and all it does is lock up and stop working. Motherboard is saved, processor is saved. I think TOMSHARDWARE.COM had a video of them doing this. Tom's Hardware is notorious for tilting "tests" to serve its highest paying advertisers. I wouldn't believe him if he said the sky was blue. Sure it would toast a modern CPU, but the motherboard and "any boards around it"? That's the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard! A CPU overheating can't physically do what you sescribe. You just shot your credibility (what little you had, that is) to dust. As for your attempt to make it sound like AMD chips are the only ones who fry without a heat sink, I've seen an equal number of fried Pentium 4 chips than I have Athlons, which is interesting since I build/fix more AMD systems. Where did you get your info from, Intel's marketing department? AMD is a crap product and I will always buy Intel and have way before I started working here. Wrong. Neither is a "crap product", but you overpay $200 or more if you go with Intel and you usually don't get better performance in the areas you buy the chip for. Intel's major market share losses have reflected that reality. |
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Well since you seem so proud of AMD I'm sure your very sad that their "Hammer" got delayed. On and their CPU that they used for the bench marks was a specially modified. And that info came off the AMD website. As far as toasting the motherboard. They had a video clip, some game like Duke Nukem playing on the monitor in the background, take the fan off AMD starts on fire, intel, locks up. They did the same thing for their server processors. AMD had smoke come out of theirs and Intel kept playing excpet it was very choppy. AMD lowered their prices to make Intel look over-priced. They have an inferiorslower product so they had to lower the price to keep their market share. Well I gotta go back to builing a superior product now. bye |
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It's odd, but every time I see a post by Rasanders22 it's bashing AMD and praising intel - like 3 or 4 times now. I built a couple pc's for my sister's family recently, and I explained the AMD numbering system to them like this: Think of the clock speed as something like the number of times an hour a fireman can take water from a lake via a one gallon bucket and throw it on a fire. For the Intel 1.8Ghz, the intel fireman (in the bunny suit) that would haul 1800 1 gallon buckets in an hour. Total water delivered: 1800 gallons. Now the AMD 1800+ fireman would only be making 1500 trips in an hour. However, this fireman carries a bucket that holds 1.25 gallons of water each trip. Which means he delivers 1875 gallons of water each hour. This is what the + rated AMD chips do: The run slower than their numbers, but they perform more work per cycle than the intel counterpart. |
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Raw speed does not necessarily mean better performance. As for AMDs burning up without their fans? Let me guess, they must have turned off the cpu overheat feaure in the BIOS to purposely cook the AMD CPU to make the Intel chip look good. All of the quality AMD based motherboards that I have used have settings in the BIOS to shut the system down if the CPU reaches a certain user defined temperature in the BIOS. There is also a setting for CPU fan failure which will also trigger a system shutdown before any damage can occur. BTW, I used to be an Intel supporter until I got a Pentium 4 and I had nothing but problems with SCSI components which had absolutely no problems on an AMD based system. Intel's customer support was condescending and of no help. Telling me that I should have used IDE instead of SCSI only told me that they were aware at the time of problems using SCSI components with the early Pentium 4 850 boards. It was their usual MO, release it now and we will fix the bugs later. I would never buy an Intel product again no matter how fast their clock speed is. I have several AMD machines and they run flawlessly. Just my .02. BTW, anybody interested in a Pentium 4 - 1.4Ghz box? It is now configured with 512GB RDRAM, an IDE 40 GB HD, DVD and CDRW. Everything is new except for the MB and CPU which were used for a month. |
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Ok, Of course I am praising Intel otherwise I wou;ldn't be discussing this. They might have turned it off. But I doubt it. I think they are trying tpo show the real difference between the 2 cpu's. And as far as perforamce test. TOmshardware does a rating where they use 26 different tests. The P$ 2.0ghz was faster is 13/26. The 2.6 Ghz made by intel however won accross the board. |
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Quoted: When any VA students get a computer upgrade any unused, broken, usable, left overs are to be returned to the veteran so they can be turned into the VA Vocational Rehab office. I found this out today from my advisor. She personally said I don't have to turn it in, and I could keep it. This means my computer that was hit by lightening (the whole thing) is mine even if it is fried. I went in the shop today and got my two boards. The guy gave me the wrong ones thoug... oh well, they are probably already in someone else's computer. The screwy part is my old machine that was "totally destroyed" by lightening was on their work station as a working machine. When I confronted him about it he said they are using it as a test machine. What the hell. I told my advisor the whole story and she told them to give me all the stuff back. Unfortunately they told her my computer was in a storage garage (lie). They are supposed to call me tomorrow so I can get the stuff. Anyway, she sent me to another company to get some high dollar items today so I wouldn't have to deal with them. At least they lost a $1237 sale... I feel better. wow so some lowly advisor authorizes that you can keep VA property which the funds for it came out of my taxes, gee I wonder what her supervisors think of that much less other taxpayers. And as for using your old machine as a test machine, it is possible they they gutted it and put new parts in their for a base station, it happens all the time. I am sure Beer SLayer would agree with me at least on that issue. BTW did you write a check to cover the difference for that 1.8G AMD processor you conned the guy into giving you? |
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Quoted: Well since you seem so proud of AMD I'm sure your very sad that their "Hammer" got delayed. Proud and sad about AMD? Nope, I don't get emotional over a chip company. Certainly I admire their engineering team, despite Intel's anticompetitive behavior AMD has managed to match and surpass Intel for years. Intel can't crank up the clock speeds fast enough to match AMD's superior instructions per clock cycle horsepower. And now Intel is doing AMD a favor by pricing its products out of the range of most consumers. As for Hammer, they don't need to rush out Hammer since they finally got better scaling and yields on the .13 Thoroughbreds. You can't say the same about the Pentium 4! [:)] As far as toasting the motherboard. They had a video clip, some game like Duke Nukem playing on the monitor in the background, take the fan off AMD starts on fire, intel, locks up. They did the same thing for their server processors. AMD had smoke come out of theirs and Intel kept playing excpet it was very choppy. Is this heat thing the [b]only[/b] thing you have in your arsenal about AMD? Apparently I need to inform you that you don't run a modern CPU without a heat sink or fan. Hey guess what, you don't run a car engine without engine oil either. Imagine that! And as I said before I've dealth with more Pentium 4 heat-killed chips than I have AMD. AMD lowered their prices to make Intel look over-priced. They have an inferiorslower product so they had to lower the price to keep their market share. Wrong again. Intel IS over priced. Do you even know what your prices your company sells its product at? With your typical Intel/AMD matchup Intel charges $200 or more for their product. AMD puts out superior products... how exactly to you equate a design (Pentium 4) being superior when it executes fewer instructions per cycle than the chip it is supposed to compete with (Athlon XP)??? Hmmm?? Answer that one. Well I gotta go back to builing a superior product now. bye You're just angry that your company is still struggling against the huge holes AMD has ripped from Intel's market share. "Intel inside" doesn't mean anything anymore if it ever did. Don't be bitter - keep working on those "superior" chip designs, maybe you might be able to come out with something superior over a company that has a quarter of Intel's R&D budget. |
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wow so some lowly advisor authorizes that you can keep VA property which the funds for it came out of my taxes, gee I wonder what her supervisors think of that much less other taxpayers. And as for using your old machine as a test machine, it is possible they they gutted it and put new parts in their for a base station, it happens all the time. I am sure Beer SLayer would agree with me at least on that issue. BTW did you write a check to cover the difference for that 1.8G AMD processor you conned the guy into giving you? Just one of the advantages of being disabled from the army is using YOUR tax dollars. As for the old equipment it is up to the VA advisor to determine what should be done with used or excess equipment. My advisor actually called the computer place to confront them about this whole thing and their contract is now pending. As for conning the guy out of a 1.8ghz chip, I don't see how you call it conning when my receipt says I would get a 1.8 and they only delivered a 1.53. Just to make you feel better, the VA also just bought a brand new digital camera for me and external flash ($1237) and over $1000 in software. I haven't worked in 3 years because I have been living off YOUR tax dollars while getting a bachelor's degree with YOUR money. That's just the price you pay for your military. I just wish more veterans took advantage of what is available to them. Some are just too proud, but they shouldn't be. |