Posted: 4/8/2011 1:24:43 PM EDT
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http://www.click2houston.com/video/27471098/index.html From what little of the dash cam they show the SGT didn't sound like he thought the guy with the shotgun was a credible threat. While I'm sure that the thought of possible innocents being in the building behind Mr shotgun went through the SGT's mind I don't think it was the reason he didn't fire on Mr Shotgun. Just my .02 but it appears to me that the SGT just made some bad decisions in dealing with this situation. Y'all Be Safe
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Was the sgt on armed with his pistol or did he have a rifle? I know I would be very leery trying to take a shot with my pistol with that kind of background. This is why one should already prepair in their mind how they would react in this exact scenerio. In this scenario, one should go as low to the ground as possible and fire at the perp in an upward manner minimizing a shoot threw problem. Like I said earlier, don't wont to second gues a bro. We don't know his level of firearms training and the unfortunate fact of tunnel vision that occurs in a shooting instance. |
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wow.....he put possible innocent bystanders above himself...... I'm a bit skeptical that it was his primary consideration, from his choice of words and tone of voice I believe he was mentally unprepared to take a life. I hate to MMQB..........but that was my take on it. |
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wow.....he put possible innocent bystanders above himself...... I'm a bit skeptical that it was his primary consideration, from his choice of words and tone of voice I believe he was mentally unprepared to take a life. I hate to MMQB..........but that was my take on it. you may be correct.....not a position to be in that i envy for sure.... |
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http://www.click2houston.com/video/27471098/index.html From what little of the dash cam they show the SGT didn't sound like he thought the guy with the shotgun was a credible threat. While I'm sure that the thought of possible innocents being in the building behind Mr shotgun went through the SGT's mind I don't think it was the reason he didn't fire on Mr Shotgun. Just my .02 but it appears to me that the SGT just made some bad decisions in dealing with this situation. Y'all Be Safe I agree with you... hate to admit. WTF type of command is "Put the gun down buddy"? Here is a clue... HE IS NOT YOUR BUDDY... HE IS THE ENEMY. Either have that mindset in this type of situation or you will pay the price. The Sgt may have been concerned about his backdrop, but AIMED fire would have been effective. I do believe I would have fired BEFORE he got behind his car. |
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I watched the video earlier in a GD thread that naturally went off the track. I had a question about the back up officer.. On the tape I heard another cruiser arrive before the shooting. I wonder where they were located? If they were off to the officer's right, wouldn't they have had a clear background?
My other thought was if the sgt couldn't shoot because of innocents located in the background then he should have taken cover and waited for more backup officers. It did seem as if he just didn't have the proper mindset. |
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I watched the video earlier in a GD thread that naturally went off the track. I had a question about the back up officer.. On the tape I heard another cruiser arrive before the shooting. I wonder where they were located? If they were off to the officer's right, wouldn't they have had a clear background? My other thought was if the sgt couldn't shoot because of innocents located in the background then he should have taken cover and waited for more backup officers. It did seem as if he just didn't have the proper mindset. I have to step back and realize I WAS NOT THERE... I really do hate to post negative things about fellow officers... but part of me just gets pissed when I see footage like this, there are other clips out there (footage) that simply show some officers ARE NOT prepared to take on this type of challenge. Like posted earlier, poor ammo selection of the part of the shooter is the ONLY reason that Sgt is alive today. |
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That Sgt appeared to be operating mentally in 'condition white'. There are a lot of good people in LE, people that want to help and serve the community. Unfortunately part of that service is to do 'the greater good' and protect the communtiy from those in it that want to harm others and to that end to take a life. If an officer isn't mentally prepared to take the life of someone that hasn't directly threatened or harmed the officer then that officer needs to find different employment. There is a reason why officers are issued a sidearm. It is an ugly fact that some officers can't wrap their mind around.
I see it in my department regularly. Officers that clear a house with a Taser instead of their sidearm or someone with a gun that is a clear threat and an officer won't draw their weapon because that action might escalate the situation. There aren't many at my PD but they exist and they are dangerous to everybody including themselves. |
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Being able to see the whole video makes things easier. Seeing the initial approach explains the poor position. I think if I were in that situation and armed only with a pistol, I would back the car up and wait for a long gun. What is he saying about his "tactical shit" at about 3:00? |
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I'm glad the guy survived. I'll step out of line and second guess him. There is no excuse for the way that was handled. There is a time for talking and a time for shooting. That video reminded me of the Dinkheller murder. I'm glad you mentioned that. That was my first thought as I watched the video for the first time in the original GD thread. Everything from saying what the suspect was doing out loud to the way he was talking to him reminded me of Dinkheller. It's difficult to watch a video like that when you see a suspect waving the gun at the officer and he's still "talking." Glad he is OK. Definitely an excellent training video. |