[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Cops Writing Cops (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/23/2008 11:03:22 AM EDT
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I know it isn't Friday, but this site is a HOOT! www.copswritingcops.com/ It was mentioned in another thread. Actual quote: "It is truly sad that there are some real cowboys out there who really do not understand what being a cop is all about." This is in reply to another LEO ticketing his WIFE. I don't know if the fact that these guys think that not only them, but their entire families should NEVER get a ticket is funny, scary or just sad.  |
___________________________________________________________________________________ It is hilarious 
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That is the rub. I think that LEO's should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. Perhaps I am wrong in that regard. |
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I know a lot of cops from hunting, shooting, guys I went to high school with blah de blah blah blah. Generally speaking guys who would write another cop or his wife for some generic traffic stop are jerks, at least around here. I know an officer who wrote his cousin. I don't think that being the cop everyone in town rolls their eyes at behind his back makes you very effective at the more important parts of the job. edit I really wonder at some of these threads. I'll be the first to pile on some crooked cop or some jerk rookie with a chip on his shoulder, but come on? Getting all worked up over cops not papering other cops with tickets? Around here a cop might be the only guy for miles and miles out in the boonies. You pull over the wife of some young cop from the department in the next town over and you're going to wallop her with a ticket? Tomorrow night you might be flat on your back with one guy sitting on your chest, another kicking you in the head and the third guy trying to pull your glock out of your holster and that young cop is charging through a blizzard at 100 miles an hour towards you. Come on  edit2-I know lots of these guys and if you have scumbags trying to kick in the front door with shotguns in their hands as you scramble for your rifle the cops who are going to charge hard at 120 miles per hour to your house and take on three guys armed with long guns when all they have is a pistol-those cops are not the ones who write other cops. |
Cops are better drivers. So they don't need to obey the laws that everyone else should. [quote from site] Part of the curriculum for the cadets at the academy is the professional driving course, where cadets are instructed and taught that they must change their driving habits and technique from defensive driving to aggressive patrol driving. This course requires the officer to develop the skill and ability to drive at high speeds in addition to having the authority to circumvent other established traffic laws for which they understand the scope of the risk and liability for the situation created. After many years of developing these driving techniques / required habits, it is unrealistic to expect the off-duty officers to automatically return to the prior ‘Defensive Driving” attitude they were operating under prior to becoming a police officer, because of a change from operating a patrol car to driving their private vehicle. [/quote from site] guess i'm just bitter because nobody lets me off the hook.
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True. |
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EDITED because sarcasm is apparently undetectable. |
What a coincidence… That’s my excuse for my driving too… Of course I rarely get a ticket. Maybe the cops just assume I’m one of them. (I do look like I’ve had way too many donuts, but I don’t have the moustache.) |
| I completely understand cops pulling someone over, then discovering that they pulled over a cousin, etc and then writing a warning, or just letting them go. I've never benefitted from this, and dont have any cops in my family. But come on, if a cop pulls over a cop who is visiting as a regular citizen from another city/county/state then dont let him off just because he is a cop. By the same token don't write them up just because he is a cop and you think cops should be held to a higher standard. |
Well, was she breaking the law? Aren't cops paid to enforce the laws? If my wife, who is married to a taxpayer subject to a different set of rules than a woman who married a policeman? We punish speeders because speeding is unsafe to the general public. Is a speeding cop's wife safer than a speeding soccer mom? How about if these cops and their wives just don't break the rules, then they won't have to worry about if the cop that pulls them over knows how to play the game right or not. |
Yep, that's the game the other side plays..."if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about..." |
Not that two wrongs make a right but you do realize that doctors, lawyers, judges, mechanics, soldiers, plumbers etc....all extend professional courtesy to one another on a regular basis don't you? |
Yeah. Does the fact that LEO's are involved make it different? I don't know... |
Your analogy missed the mark. My not citing you for breaking the law is different than me helping you change a tire for free because you are a mechanic too. |
I don't get worked up with one officer giving another officer a break with a ticket within reason (I remember when this has been brought up in the past there were people who were going nearly double the speed limit and complaining about getting ticketed). I know plenty of people who are not police officers who have also gotten off with just a warning after being stopped. The biggest issue I have with that site is the police officers bashing other officers for simply doing their jobs and thinking that they are entitled to some sort of special treatment simply because they have the same job. If an officer decides not to ticket the other officer for breaking the law, then great, the officer who was pulled over should be grateful to get off. If the officer driving the car is ticketed then they should man up and pay the ticket because they were breaking the law. That is what they would expect the people that they pulled over to do. The ticketed officer should not go complain about how they should receive some sort of special treatment because of their job. |
I edited it to take out any law enforcement bias. |
Tacos are a dollar and tickets are $150.00 I have to report all tickets on future applications for ten years. I don't have to report tacos. Very stupid analogy. I hope you were being sarcastic. |
Could you have pulled me over last month then? I got a friggin' $160 ticket for driving in the left lane on the highway. I was polite to the officer (yes sir/no sir), cooperated fully, and still got stuck with a BS ticket. |
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I agree, this is stupid. There's no way that a LEO in civilian clothes or any LEO's family members should be asked to obey the same traffic laws that us lower class citizens (if we are even still considered citizens) have to obey. ANY LEO who states that other LEO's aren't responsible for obeying traffic laws confirms, in my view, that traffic laws are merely for revenue generation purposes and have little to nothing to do with public safety. If you're a LEO and you pull some schmuck going 87 in a 65 with his kids in a car going to a ball game and you let him go with a warning after he flashes you his badge then an hour later you pull over some other peasant going 77 in the same 65 and you write him why should I think any different? 
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A traffic ticket is in most cases a civil matter only and as such has little effect on anything other than your bank balance. Just like a doctor who treats another doctor's child for free, or a mechanic who changes another mechanic's tire for free, or a gun company that offers a discount to members of the military but not to civilians. Have all of you written letters to Glock, SIG, Hk etc...telling them it's unfair to offer a price discount to members of the military but not to you? |
Unless you drive for a living... think UPS employee, sales person, truck driver, etc... Try again please. ETA: Free passes on breaking the law are not like free movie passes or discounts on a new car purchase. If you are a police officer please enroll in some 100 level criminal justice courses ASAP. Also, I don't know about you, but anything that affects my bank balance is serious business. Jeez... |
If you look at my state designator I seriously doubt it. |
So if LEO's let regular citizens by with warning and cop later gives another LEO a warning for the samethign it's cool? |
No, but consistency is the key to ethical professionalism. |
businesses can offer discounts to those they chose. that is not a matter that concerns me at all. again, another bad analogy. All of your most recent examples use the word free or talk about a discount. they are business practices. Your argument for cops is one in which you suggest that a certain class of people be exempt from following certain laws. Further, that special class you create also happens to be that portion of the population there to enforce laws. |
So the LEO should cite the other LEO for something he just gave a regular citizen a warning? |
Yep... its when the "regular citizens" as you call them catch all the citations and the "LEO's" get all the warnings. that is what some folks seem to take issue with. That is all. |
So if an LEO stops one LEO out of a 1,000 traffic stops and gives him a warning for the same offense he's given 100's of others warnings, he's wrong? |
Criminal justice courses......never heard of them. It all boils down to jealousy and sour grapes. Someone can do something I can't do so I'm going to feel bitter about it. Life isn't fair, the justice system isn't perfect and the world doesn't revolve around you. Sorry. |
It is not about jealousy, it is about principals. Someone is getting away with breaking the law, and feel entitled to the right, because of their being part of our legal system. That is wrong. It has nothing to do with me getting tickets. I have never once received a ticket I did not deserve. That people who operate the site that started this discussion feel that their jobs should preclude them from traffic tickets is wrong. Life is not fair, but that simple admission does not allow us to go around being purposely unfair. The justice system is not perfect, but that does not mean that we should not strive to make it as perfect as possible. Gun laws in this nation are not perfect, but that does not mean that we should just accept them. People with principle do not see failure and accept it, they work to solve it. The world does not revolve around me, nor does it around police officers who simply can't follow traffic laws. |
If the sole criteria for giving a warning is that he's a cop, and EVERY cop gets a warning, then fucking a its wrong. |
Yes, but not because I was a cop. I was given a warning because the officer who pulled me over understood that taillights burn out and we do not always think to do a preflight inspection each time we go to school. I was not entitled to a warning because of my profession. Frankly, he would have been right to write up a ticket. |
So LE should ticket every cop they come across for the same offense they have given others warnings? |
So you were given a warning based on the specific circumstance. The Officer used his discretion and made a personal decision, which he has every right to do. The fact you support one circumstance and not another just reinforces a bias, not a factual basis for objection. |
I know you can read better than that. The problem with that site is the "I'm a cop I shouldn't get a ticket" attitude the officers there have. |
That is why I called them dumbasses for that attitude. Even more so for posting that nonsense on a website for all to see they are dumbasses. |
While I have recieved a couple of warnings I would never think of expecting or even worse asking for one based merely on my being a firefighter. (ETA: Of course it's impossible to know if I would have gotten a ticket or a warning if I wasn't a firefighter) The second half of professional courtesy is not putting the other party in a bad ethical position. |