Posted: 4/11/2012 2:38:59 AM EDT
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So I bought this truck...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649&item=110844411920&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT One owner low mileage, looks cleans, etc. Turns out that the torque converter is burned up & took 3rd gear with it. The driveshaft is bent and the right rear axle is bent. 
Anyone want to speculate as to how it got that way? 
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I have no idea how those items of the drivetrain went out like that unless it hit something with the undercarriage. I had an S10 just like that (even the color was the same) and everything else went out on it but not those items. The only big difference with mine was it had 4wd. This is just my humble opinion but you'd have to pay me good to take another one of those trucks. It was the start of my bad luck streak with GM products that still follows me around.
I hope the dealership made things right with you. If it's not too late already, I'd back out of deal and look for a different model. Even without my bad luck, those trucks have some known issues (like the intake gasket and fuel pump going out). |
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Did you check out the truck before you bought it? Did you drive the truck before you bought it? Did anyone you know of drive the truck before you bought it? Did you get any buyer's protection from EBay before you bought it? Couple of comments: Never buy anything with wheels and a engine off EBay without first checking it out. If you can't check it out, have a trusted friend check it out for you. Nice truck... but, it's not worth anything you paid for it! Much Luck! |
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I have no idea how those items of the drivetrain went out like that unless it hit something with the undercarriage. I had an S10 just like that (even the color was the same) and everything else went out on it but not those items. The only big difference with mine was it had 4wd. This is just my humble opinion but you'd have to pay me good to take another one of those trucks. It was the start of my bad luck streak with GM products that still follows me around. I hope the dealership made things right with you. If it's not too late already, I'd back out of deal and look for a different model. Even without my bad luck, those trucks have some known issues (like the intake gasket and fuel pump going out). It's being "taken care of". I owned a similar truck for 5 years and never had a single problem with it. |
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What can burn out a torque converter? Running it without transmission fluid? Towing more than the engine and transmission can handle? Offroading it and getting it stuck? Doing smokey burnouts and power launches because their friend had a Syclone or lightning?
Drive shaft and axle could have been bent doing power launches... is there any burnt rubber inside the wheel wells? |
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A couple of viewpoints: Did you check out the truck before you bought it? Did you drive the truck before you bought it? Did anyone you know of drive the truck before you bought it? Did you get any buyer's protection from EBay before you bought it? Couple of comments: Never buy anything with wheels and a engine off EBay without first checking it out. If you can't check it out, have a trusted friend check it out for you. Nice truck... but, it's not worth anything you paid for it! Much Luck! I've bought two vehicles sight unseen from ebay, a 1986 Saab 9000turbo for $700 and a 1988 4Runner for $1625. Worked out great both times.  There's a lot of room for getting a major screwing, I guess I just got lucky.
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$8K for a 2000 4x2 gmc sonoma? WTF? That's kind of what I was thinking. Am I missing something special about this 12 year old 2wd truck? I can't imagine a truck like that was much more than $20k new. I'm not trying to bash, and I couldn't care less how other people spend their money. I'm just truly curious if there is something unique about these S10/Sonoma's. |
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Well there isn't anything I could tell your two so that you would "get it". Your looking at it from a point of view different from mine. Doesn't make either POV right or wrong –– just different.
Value has different definitions depending on people, circumstances, time, etc. Someone that bought gold at $750 an ounce has a completely different view regarding the value of gold than someone that bought at $1,500 an ounce. 
I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. |
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It looks like it might have zq8 suspension. Trans was overheated most likely. Make sure it gets all the upgrades when it gets rebuilt. I imagine its seen plenty of power braking and doughnuts.
It will need intake gaskets, injector upgrade, possibly oil cooler lines if it has them. Does it have the additional sideways mounted shock absorber on the rear axle like the S10 SS has? I know some non-SS models also had that. |
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Yes it's a ZQ8. All the 2nd-gen ZQ8s have the hop shock like the SS.
L35 (V6), M30 (Auto), ZQ8 (Sport suspension pkg), GU6 (3.42 gears) It was listed as having the G80 locking diff and the leather steering wheel but those are missing. It has pretty much all the other available options. The mileage is a misnomer because (factoring out the drive train damage) its about the same condition as a well maintained 150k mileage truck. The transmission (if its repaired) will get a standard rebuild. I won't be paying for anything. I was given a verbal agreement about how this would be handled, but at this point I'm still waiting for confirmation so that wrenches can start turning. |
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Likely during its abuse cycle, the G80 grenaded and was replaced by a salvage yard axle which was bent during the collision that totaled the donor vehicle. Theres my theory.
I'd be real careful about checking the oil and engine condition. It might have been revved to the moon on a regular basis. Especially when cold. 4.3 is a tough engine, but an idiotic driver can ruin anything. |
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Likely during its abuse cycle, the G80 grenaded and was replaced by a salvage yard axle which was bent during the collision that totaled the donor vehicle. Theres my theory.  I'm having a similar conversation on another board about this and my utter failure to communicate properly on this same issue is apparent there. Please allow me to clarify/correct on this point...
The truck does have a bent driveshaft. The truck does have a bent rear axle. The truck does not have a locking or limited slip differential. The truck's list of RPO codes does not contain the RPO code for a limited slip differential (G80). The truck was advertised as having a limited slip differential. I like your theory. Quoted:
I'd be real careful about checking the oil and engine condition. It might have been revved to the moon on a regular basis. Especially when cold. 4.3 is a tough engine, but an idiotic driver can ruin anything.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled wonderment at how someone could pay so much money for a truck like this. |
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Quoted: Well there isn't anything I could tell your two so that you would "get it". Your looking at it from a point of view different from mine. Doesn't make either POV right or wrong –– just different. Value has different definitions depending on people, circumstances, time, etc. Someone that bought gold at $750 an ounce has a completely different view regarding the value of gold than someone that bought at $1,500 an ounce. I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. It would be more like if someone paid $3k for an ounce of gold when it was worth $300. So why would you buy a sonoma, 1 of 1000000 produced, for way more than its worth? or are you not the buyer? |
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Well there isn't anything I could tell your two so that you would "get it". Your looking at it from a point of view different from mine. Doesn't make either POV right or wrong –– just different. Value has different definitions depending on people, circumstances, time, etc. Someone that bought gold at $750 an ounce has a completely different view regarding the value of gold than someone that bought at $1,500 an ounce.
I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. It would be more like if someone paid $3k for an ounce of gold when it was worth $300. So why would you buy a sonoma, 1 of 1000000 produced, for way more than its worth? or are you not the buyer? I'm not going to attempt to convince you that this is a good value proposition. I recognize for me, that is not possible. If the vehicle delivered was as advertised in the expected condition then for me it would have been a good value proposition for my intended use. |
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Well there isn't anything I could tell your two so that you would "get it". Your looking at it from a point of view different from mine. Doesn't make either POV right or wrong –– just different. Value has different definitions depending on people, circumstances, time, etc. Someone that bought gold at $750 an ounce has a completely different view regarding the value of gold than someone that bought at $1,500 an ounce.
I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. That truck in top notch shape without the stated baggage is a $4000 truck TOPS why did you pay TWICE that much? Its a thirteen year old general motors product with carpets that it looks like someone shit on. Here's what happened a clueless young guy bought this truck. Never made a payment joyrided and abused the fuck out of it jumping shit in a strip pit until the person you bought it from repossessed it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well there isn't anything I could tell your two so that you would "get it". Your looking at it from a point of view different from mine. Doesn't make either POV right or wrong –– just different. Value has different definitions depending on people, circumstances, time, etc. Someone that bought gold at $750 an ounce has a completely different view regarding the value of gold than someone that bought at $1,500 an ounce. I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. It would be more like if someone paid $3k for an ounce of gold when it was worth $300. So why would you buy a sonoma, 1 of 1000000 produced, for way more than its worth? or are you not the buyer? I'm not going to attempt to convince you that this is a good value proposition. I recognize for me, that is not possible. If the vehicle delivered was as advertised in the expected condition then for me it would have been a good value proposition for my intended use. What would be it's intended use? I'm not asking you to convince me that this was a good value, but what is your POV? |
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Well there isn't anything I could tell your two so that you would "get it". Your looking at it from a point of view different from mine. Doesn't make either POV right or wrong –– just different. Value has different definitions depending on people, circumstances, time, etc. Someone that bought gold at $750 an ounce has a completely different view regarding the value of gold than someone that bought at $1,500 an ounce.
I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. It would be more like if someone paid $3k for an ounce of gold when it was worth $300. So why would you buy a sonoma, 1 of 1000000 produced, for way more than its worth? or are you not the buyer? I'm not going to attempt to convince you that this is a good value proposition. I recognize for me, that is not possible. If the vehicle delivered was as advertised in the expected condition then for me it would have been a good value proposition for my intended use. What would be it's intended use? I'm not asking you to convince me that this was a good value, but what is your POV? My response would be that it's off-topic but since this thread has been hijacked.... |
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for a 2000, and a for a truck that has been up north and seen northern winters, that truck likes immaculate...Most of the ones I see that old have half the bed and doors rotted away, lol I should post pictures of mine. It's a 2002 and the cab corners are rotted and the bottom of the third door is gone. |
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I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. So I wouldn't take any late 90's or early 2000's S10, even if it was given to me. You wouldn't take that S10 again, even if it was given to you. In an odd sense, we agree on something in that there is an S10 that neither one of us would take.
I'd still like to know what exactly happened to this truck. I'm still leaning towards it being in an accident at some point and they fixed the cosmetic issues but not the mechanical issues. How is the paint on the bed fenders and such? If you park it in bright sunlight, does the paint look like a different shade between body panels? You might want to take it to a good alignment shop and have them check to see if the frame might be bent. |
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I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. So I wouldn't take any late 90's or early 2000's S10, even if it was given to me. You wouldn't take that S10 again, even if it was given to you. In an odd sense, we agree on something in that there is an S10 that neither one of us would take.
I'd still like to know what exactly happened to this truck. I'm still leaning towards it being in an accident at some point and they fixed the cosmetic issues but not the mechanical issues. How is the paint on the bed fenders and such? If you park it in bright sunlight, does the paint look like a different shade between body panels? You might want to take it to a good alignment shop and have them check to see if the frame might be bent. I haven't had a chance to look that closely at the paint and body. It's been in one shop or another in the few days since I've taken possession of it (4/6). I had a long conversation last night with the shop manager of one of the shops I had it at, and I've concluded that finding a "good" shop of any kind will be tougher than finding an S-Series truck that's unmolested and low mileage. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well there isn't anything I could tell your two so that you would "get it". Your looking at it from a point of view different from mine. Doesn't make either POV right or wrong –– just different. Value has different definitions depending on people, circumstances, time, etc. Someone that bought gold at $750 an ounce has a completely different view regarding the value of gold than someone that bought at $1,500 an ounce. I will say that truck, based on how it was actually equipped and the condition it was delivered, is worth about 2k tops based on my view point, although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't take it if it was given to me. It would be more like if someone paid $3k for an ounce of gold when it was worth $300. So why would you buy a sonoma, 1 of 1000000 produced, for way more than its worth? or are you not the buyer? I'm not going to attempt to convince you that this is a good value proposition. I recognize for me, that is not possible. If the vehicle delivered was as advertised in the expected condition then for me it would have been a good value proposition for my intended use. What would be it's intended use? I'm not asking you to convince me that this was a good value, but what is your POV? My response would be that it's off-topic but since this thread has been hijacked.... It's still on topic about thes10. Not really a hard question to answer. Give it a try. Yrhe truck slide out of control over a curb and other objects. Same damage as a friend of mine had when he did the same.
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... Why? I could list 87 specific things that makes it a decent value proposition for me. You would have a counter response for each one. In the end, your opinion about the truck, me and the transaction would remain completely the same. I thought it was a nice truck and worth the price. You disagree. FINI. |
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Quoted: Quoted: ... Why? I could list 87 specific things that makes it a decent value proposition for me. You would have a counter response for each one. In the end, your opinion about the truck, me and the transaction would remain completely the same. I thought it was a nice truck and worth the price. You disagree. FINI. Actually I won't disagree. I'm just curious as to you reasons. List away. |