Posted: 8/9/2010 7:28:32 PM EDT
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Creation vs Evolution
Laws come from the creator Laws come from man's majority opinion Rights are "unalienable" Rights are granted by government Government is subordinate to the will of the people and should be limited to the punishment of evildoers and defense. Government should be all-powerful and superior to either the individual or collective will of the people. God is a sovereign and omnipotent being and he controls the universe. There is no God and the only influence on individuals is random chance and survival of the fittest as part of Darwinian evolution. Based on Constitutional Republic Based Democracy or oligarchy––Always degenerates eventually into totalitarianism. Government based on God's unchangeable laws Government based on "polls" or the arbitrary whims of some usually corrupt government ruler or bureaucrat. Truth and right and wrong are absolute There are absolutely no absolutes regarding right and wrong (are you absolutely sure!) George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were constitutional republicans and based their philosophies on creationism. Karl Marx was a communist and based his philosophy on evolution. All human beings are created to be equal by their creator. Some races of humans are superior to others. Less superior races must be eliminated (e.g. Hitler) because only the best and fittest should rightfully survive (Darwinism). |
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Strictly speaking, that's not creation vs. evolution, though I don't happen to believe you can have God and evolution. Some do though, and more power to 'em.
I agree, though, that without God, our rights are granted by the government or whatever ruler we happen to have, and can therefore be taken away. Now I will duck out of this thread before it degrades into personal attacks, several ban hammers and a lock. |
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There is only one absolute truth. Whatever it is, it must be absolutely self-consistent. Whether it was Creation or Evolution or a mix of both, whether it was natural laws or God or both, it really does not matter. It is a debate about (mostly) past history that can not be proven either way. My personal thought is that evolution is one of God's tools. He created the initial conditions that this universe was born in, and those conditions allowed (and depended on) evolutionary processes. God is not wasteful. Nor does he duplicate effort. He did not create humans in a brief flurry of activity, he let them evolve here on an earth circling a sun which all evolved naturally in the universe of his creation. There is harmony in the truth. It does not have to be a creation vs. evolution battle. Both are different aspects of the same thing. CJ |
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Whos to say both cant be true??? they could be. Personally it doesn't matter which one is right. As long as the person that believes it is happy and is happy with there belief. Let them be and live there life. The debate over it is crazy basically one side trying to force the other side to believe there way. Its like white and black. Some people are born white some are born black and a host of other colors. We deal with it with we cant change it (except michael jackson) so there is no sense in arguing with the other side saying that one side should be another color because its better. |
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Nature uses cruel methods to sculpt populations and species, but that doesn't automatically imply that humans have to do the same thing. We have the ability to reason and we can decide for ourselves what our moral code should look like. This doesn't make evolution any less real or powerful, however.
In other words, the chain email that you copied and pasted is ridiculous. |
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Whos to say both cant be true??? they could be. Personally it doesn't matter which one is right. As long as the person that believes it is happy and is happy with there belief. Let them be and live there life. The debate over it is crazy basically one side trying to force the other side to believe there way. Its like white and black. Some people are born white some are born black and a host of other colors. We deal with it with we cant change it (except michael jackson) so there is no sense in arguing with the other side saying that one side should be another color because its better. Sorta like the whole AK vs AR... Just get both.... Their is more evidence to support evolution, however, everything had to start some how. Whos to say that Whom ever or what ever created us, planed on us evolving.... You are 100% right in stating that arguing over such at topic is a waste of time |
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Evolution is the observable manifestation of God's creation process.
I question the faith of people who think that God created the world like some kind of a magician who waives a magic wand, placed some dirt and trees here, maybe a few bears over there, and then tosses a couple of humans into eden like he he's playing SimLife at his Godputer. You really aren't giving him credit for his power and his brilliance if you think he operates in this fashion. A truly all powerful God would be able to set off existance with a single spark knowing full well how it would unfold down to this very moment. |
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Creation vs Evolution Laws come from the creator Laws come from man's majority opinion Laws do come from man's majority opinion. Religious scripture simply based itself on already existing standards of conduct. Rights are "unalienable" Rights are granted by government Rights are earned through struggle and kept by vigilance. They are not endowed in any way and can be lost or taken if allowed. Government is subordinate to the will of the people and should be limited to the punishment of evildoers and defense. Government should be all-powerful and superior to either the individual or collective will of the people. It is both. In some countries it leans more one way than the other. Totalitarian governments exist by will of their subjects. Acceptance is endorsement. God is a sovereign and omnipotent being and he controls the universe. There is no God and the only influence on individuals is random chance and survival of the fittest as part of Darwinian evolution. I can't say if there is a God or not. Nobody can tell you that with 100% certainty. Thinking you are right does not make you right. While I feel there may be a "God" I also think evolution, free will and chance were allowed to run their course free of divine intervention. Based on Constitutional Republic Based Democracy or oligarchy––Always degenerates eventually into totalitarianism. A true republic will never last. People will always seek change in their government and in the end the will of the many will always win. Government based on God's unchangeable laws Government based on "polls" or the arbitrary whims of some usually corrupt government ruler or bureaucrat. Government is always the latter. Truth and right and wrong are absolute There are absolutely no absolutes regarding right and wrong (are you absolutely sure!) There are lots of gray areas and very few issues that are black and white. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were constitutional republicans and based their philosophies on creationism. Karl Marx was a communist and based his philosophy on evolution. Either theory can be applied poorly. Case in point Saudi Arabia bases their philosophies on creationism. All human beings are created to be equal by their creator. Some races of humans are superior to others. Less superior races must be eliminated (e.g. Hitler) because only the best and fittest should rightfully survive (Darwinism). Not all humans are equal. It is the choices and actions we make along the way that determine our place in society. Case in point a convicted murderer is not equal to a law abiding citizen. A lifelong welfare bum is not equal to a person who carries their own weight, etc. Hitler's genocide is in no way a valid comparison to evolution. I fail to see what point you were trying to make here. |
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Creation vs Evolution Laws come from the creator Laws come from man's majority opinion Laws do come from man's majority opinion. Religious scripture simply based itself on already existing standards of conduct. Rights are "unalienable" Rights are granted by government Rights are earned through struggle and kept by vigilance. They are not endowed in any way and can be lost or taken if allowed. Government is subordinate to the will of the people and should be limited to the punishment of evildoers and defense. Government should be all-powerful and superior to either the individual or collective will of the people. It is both. In some countries it leans more one way than the other. Totalitarian governments exist by will of their subjects. Acceptance is endorsement. God is a sovereign and omnipotent being and he controls the universe. There is no God and the only influence on individuals is random chance and survival of the fittest as part of Darwinian evolution. I can't say if there is a God or not. Nobody can tell you that with 100% certainty. Thinking you are right does not make you right. While I feel there may be a "God" I also think evolution, free will and chance were allowed to run their course free of divine intervention. Based on Constitutional Republic Based Democracy or oligarchy––Always degenerates eventually into totalitarianism. A true republic will never last. People will always seek change in their government and in the end the will of the many will always win. Government based on God's unchangeable laws Government based on "polls" or the arbitrary whims of some usually corrupt government ruler or bureaucrat. Government is always the latter. Truth and right and wrong are absolute There are absolutely no absolutes regarding right and wrong (are you absolutely sure!) There are lots of gray areas and very few issues that are black and white. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were constitutional republicans and based their philosophies on creationism. Karl Marx was a communist and based his philosophy on evolution. Either theory can be applied poorly. Case in point Saudi Arabia bases their philosophies on creationism. All human beings are created to be equal by their creator. Some races of humans are superior to others. Less superior races must be eliminated (e.g. Hitler) because only the best and fittest should rightfully survive (Darwinism). Not all humans are equal. It is the choices and actions we make along the way that determine our place in society. Case in point a convicted murderer is not equal to a law abiding citizen. A lifelong welfare bum is not equal to a person who carries their own weight, etc. Hitler's genocide is in no way a valid comparison to evolution. I fail to see what point you were trying to make here. i was just forwarding a email. i lack the interest to make that list |
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Low post count. Recent join date. Topic that has been beat to death, back to life, then back to death again here. OVER and OVER.  Yes, but this might be the first time we have seen such a brilliant and consistent use of the non sequitor and strawman all in the first post. |
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i don't take either side really haven't gave it much thought. I guess i was hoping for two much when i thought GD could battle it with logic. It's not only very difficult, but also usually a waste of time, to "battle" inanities with logic. I'd recommend getting some education in biology, physics, chemistry, archeology, anthropology, and spelling, as a start, before trying to discredit as obvious and firmly established thing as evolution. But that's the way I do things. If I were to decide that the world should know that the Tuatha Dé Danann are responsible for gravity, I'd want to know a little about what the theory of gravity is before I attack. Dagda will fill your stomach with good food and wine Science will starve you with gene spliced demon-food Goibniu will craft great swords to defend your home with honor Science cobbles together sneaky weapons to cowardly kill any who oppose them Lugh Lámhfhada is master of all crafts and will protect his people Science uses all around it to further their own goals of oppression Danu and the Tuatha Dé Danann are pure good and hold our feet to Earth Science is evil and will kill us all with their gravity lies!! See? Doesn't make a lick of sense, does it? |