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3/4/2007 8:09:08 PM EDT
Is Natural Law always the same?

Or can if be different depending on your own choices?

For example is the Natural Law that applies to a person that lives apart from society, i.e. Grizzly Adams, different that one that chooses to live inside a society and benefit from its protections, infrastructures, and so on?

Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?
3/4/2007 9:11:29 PM EDT
[#1]
I'll bump

Natural law, or the "laws of nature" are by definition universal.  But not equal....the flame that burns twice as bright does not always burn half as long.  There are Alphas & Omegas.

Individual lives are much different because of the infinite type & number of experiences.  

Society & technologies obviously have their benefits, otherwise this land would still be populated with Neanderthal Man


Is this for a class?
3/4/2007 9:13:03 PM EDT
[#2]
The natural law is the law of God written upon the hearts of men.  
3/4/2007 10:46:15 PM EDT
[#3]

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I'll bump

Natural law, or the "laws of nature" are by definition universal.  But not equal....the flame that burns twice as bright does not always burn half as long.  There are Alphas & Omegas.

Individual lives are much different because of the infinite type & number of experiences.  

Society & technologies obviously have their benefits, otherwise this land would still be populated with Neanderthal Man


Is this for a class?


Nope, but many here throw the term "Natural Law" out there all the time.  I'm just seeing what people think defines it.
3/4/2007 10:46:47 PM EDT
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The natural law is the law of God written upon the hearts of men.  


So can it be different for different men?
3/4/2007 10:55:40 PM EDT
[#5]
I struggle with the idea of natural law. I believe the words of Thomas Hobbes to be true, in that "there is not right reason constituted by nature."

I have pretty much come to the conclusion that we have such rights as we keep by coercion or force.
3/5/2007 7:43:33 AM EDT
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The natural law is the law of God written upon the hearts of men.  


So can it be different for different men?


Under the classical definition, no.  One God one natural law.  Some may simply not hear it as clearly as others.
3/5/2007 7:50:16 AM EDT
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The natural law is the law of God nature written upon the hearts of men.  


i'm atheist, but a firm believer in natural rights and law.
3/5/2007 8:17:16 AM EDT
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The natural law is the law of God nature written upon the hearts of men.  


i'm atheist, but a firm believer in natural rights and law.


I was giving the classical definition, which comes from Augustine and Aquinas.
3/5/2007 8:23:34 AM EDT
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The natural law is the law of God nature written upon the hearts of men.  


i'm atheist, but a firm believer in natural rights and law.


I was giving the classical definition, which comes from Augustine and Aquinas.


i'd argue the basis of natural law dates as far back as Aristotle
3/5/2007 8:28:37 AM EDT
[#10]

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Is Natural Law always the same?

Or can if be different depending on your own choices?

For example is the Natural Law that applies to a person that lives apart from society, i.e. Grizzly Adams, different that one that chooses to live inside a society and benefit from its protections, infrastructures, and so on?

Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?


To the man who lives entirely apart from society, who never interacts with other men, of what use is law at all?  Laws are established to govern the interactions of men.
3/5/2007 8:29:11 AM EDT
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The natural law is the law of God nature written upon the hearts of men.  


i'm atheist, but a firm believer in natural rights and law.


I was giving the classical definition, which comes from Augustine and Aquinas.


i'd argue the basis of natural law dates as far back as Aristotle


Definitely elements of natural law in Aristotle, but the full blown theory is generally considered to start with Aquinas IIRC.
3/5/2007 11:17:02 PM EDT
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Is Natural Law always the same?

Or can if be different depending on your own choices?

For example is the Natural Law that applies to a person that lives apart from society, i.e. Grizzly Adams, different that one that chooses to live inside a society and benefit from its protections, infrastructures, and so on?

Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?


To the man who lives entirely apart from society, who never interacts with other men, of what use is law at all?  Laws are established to govern the interactions of men.


We are talking about Natural Law.  Not Constitutional or Statutory law.
3/5/2007 11:26:10 PM EDT
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Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?


You have shown your true colors at last.
3/5/2007 11:50:53 PM EDT
[#14]

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Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?


You have shown your true colors at last.



So you think taxation to pay for roads, infrastructure etc... is bad?

Or are you pulling a badfish and assuming things about what I'm saying?
3/6/2007 4:45:15 AM EDT
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Is Natural Law always the same?

Or can if be different depending on your own choices?

For example is the Natural Law that applies to a person that lives apart from society, i.e. Grizzly Adams, different that one that chooses to live inside a society and benefit from its protections, infrastructures, and so on?

Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?


To the man who lives entirely apart from society, who never interacts with other men, of what use is law at all?  Laws are established to govern the interactions of men.


We are talking about Natural Law.  Not Constitutional or Statutory law.


Then explain to me your understanding of Natural Law and how it might have relevance for a man alone on a desert island.
3/6/2007 7:52:55 AM EDT
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Is Natural Law always the same?

Or can if be different depending on your own choices?

For example is the Natural Law that applies to a person that lives apart from society, i.e. Grizzly Adams, different that one that chooses to live inside a society and benefit from its protections, infrastructures, and so on?

Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?


To the man who lives entirely apart from society, who never interacts with other men, of what use is law at all?  Laws are established to govern the interactions of men.


We are talking about Natural Law.  Not Constitutional or Statutory law.


Then explain to me your understanding of Natural Law and how it might have relevance for a man alone on a desert island.


Would he be breaking Natural Law if he killed animals for joy?  But yet he still has the right to defend himself against dangerous animals and to kill for food.
Do you naturally lose some freedoms if you choose to live in a society?
3/6/2007 9:37:43 AM EDT
[#17]

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Is Natural Law always the same?

Or can if be different depending on your own choices?

For example is the Natural Law that applies to a person that lives apart from society, i.e. Grizzly Adams, different that one that chooses to live inside a society and benefit from its protections, infrastructures, and so on?

Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?


To the man who lives entirely apart from society, who never interacts with other men, of what use is law at all?  Laws are established to govern the interactions of men.


We are talking about Natural Law.  Not Constitutional or Statutory law.


Then explain to me your understanding of Natural Law and how it might have relevance for a man alone on a desert island.


Would he be breaking Natural Law if he killed animals for joy?  


No.



Do you naturally lose some freedoms if you choose to live in a society?


No.
3/6/2007 9:56:54 AM EDT
[#18]

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Is Natural Law always the same?

Or can if be different depending on your own choices?

For example is the Natural Law that applies to a person that lives apart from society, i.e. Grizzly Adams, different that one that chooses to live inside a society and benefit from its protections, infrastructures, and so on?

Is there a "Natural Cost" to living in a society and reaping its benefits?


To the man who lives entirely apart from society, who never interacts with other men, of what use is law at all?  Laws are established to govern the interactions of men.


We are talking about Natural Law.  Not Constitutional or Statutory law.


Then explain to me your understanding of Natural Law and how it might have relevance for a man alone on a desert island.


Would he be breaking Natural Law if he killed animals for joy?  But yet he still has the right to defend himself against dangerous animals and to kill for food.
Do you naturally lose some freedoms if you choose to live in a society?


No, you dont "lose" freedoms. They are taken form you "for the children" and the "improvment" of "civilized" society. IMHO the foundation of "natural law" is
"survival of the fittest", eveything else is secondary. OTOH if NL had not been shortcircuited we would still be a very primitive species.
my.02
3/6/2007 6:52:53 PM EDT
[#19]
Having doctors to fix your eyes & teeth, keep people alive & productive much longer, I'm sure.  I'd never have made it to 35 W/O doctors
3/6/2007 6:58:19 PM EDT
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The natural law is the law of God nature written upon the hearts of men.  


i'm atheist, but a firm believer in natural rights and law.


Agreed. God or no god humans have free will.

All natural law is, is the extent a person is willing to go to defend that which he/she loves. It is fluid and different for everyone.
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