[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Democratic Gun Owners (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 10/8/2008 10:49:31 AM EDT
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The more of the negative comments I read about Obama and the fear tactic that Democrates will take away our rights to keep and bear arms, I wonder, where are the guys, like me who own, shoot, and carry, that are Democrates? Not every gun owner is a conservative republican, or is this web skewed to the extreme. What makes the political comments on this web seem like a meeting of good ole boys, with no exposure to anything but guns and whatever good ole boys do. Don't take offense, my shooting buddies are mostly, good ole boys. We shoot, and after that, drink some Jack, or Jim, or PBR, it doesn't matter. Now, not to start a negative but this is who I am. 57 year old Black man with a Good case of BRD, Black Rifle Desease. Army vet, father of 2, grandfather of 5. I own and shoot Armalites( AR-15 NM and a 10-T) , Bushmasters, Remington (40X), Sako,and Winchesters. You can't have BRD without a BPD, Glocks in 40 and 45. There are no Saturday Night Specials in my inventory. I reload too. Yes, I have a Dillon. I was a card carrying, hat wearing member of the NRA for years too. Then it occurred tome that none of the politics supported by the NRA, benefitted my community. This is 2008, not 1808. What makes the bottom of the Naval Acad. grads, better than the top of a Harvard Class? Is it a race thing? It is time for a change and the time is now! When this is all over, I'll still be drinking Jack and Jim with my good ole boy pals, still shooting my AR's and heavy barrel, sniper class rifles. You don't have to be Black to be like me, just a Democrate with a love of guns and shooting, Jack and Jim and hate to pay $4 a gal for gas. Now would a Democrate that supports Obama, wants to keep and carry, PLEASE STAND UP?? |
Democrates? Greek philosopher, right?  Seriously, there are plenty of Democrats who are shooters, hunters, etc. and more than a few who value RKBA. But, like most of us here, they are not single-issue voters, plain and simple. The totality of the DNC platform is more important to them than a single right or issue. RKBA is of extreme importance to me, but I have never based my vote on that issue alone nor will I. YMMV. |
I am neither a Republician or Democrat... I will vote for McCain because He will nominate people to the SCOTUS who will protect my right to own a gun, because he won't raise taxes like Obama will, because he doesn't support abortion like Obama does, and because he won't defund the military like Obama will. |
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What do you expect? This is the largest gun forum on the internet. Sen Obama has proven himself an enemy of the 2nd Amendment. He says one thing but his voting record proves the opposite. Alma mater and class rank do not qualify one for the presidency. Neither does race or the ability to give rehearsed speeches. What exactly on Obama's resume qualifies him? |
Really?  I consider CCW legislation and codified Castle Doctrines very beneficial to my community (and others) but, again, YMMV. 
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Anyone who votes for Barack Obama doesn't care about individual rights.
Everything You Need To Know About Barack Obama |
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1) Obammy ain't black. 2) YOU won't have a gun if he wins because Obammy will take them away. 3) It's The DEMOCRAT PARTY. Not democratic and not Democrates.  4) I can't wait till November for the riots when your boy loses. No more trolls here for a while!  5) I haven't seen his "Harvard" records, have you? NO, and you never will. He is an AFFIRMATIVE ACTION graduate, and all that entails. |
(in red)You just did, as does the majority (it seems to be) of Obama supporters making this a "race thing". (in blue) McCain has actually worked in all his jobs, Navy Pilot, member of Congress, he hasnt just voted "Present" on most bills. Your statement smacks of elitism. (in green) Dont hold your breath, and if you really think Obama wont try to take major hits at the 2A, Ive got a bridge in Arizona to sell you. Which one isnt a poster boy for affirmative action (still a type of racism) and a product of Chicago politics? |
| I would guess most of them are voting for McCain. The rest of them I believe most of them are either delusional as to who BHO is or they are complete FUDDs that don't care about common citizens. Those left are watching in shock and horror trying to figure out how leftist moonbats hijacked the Democrat party. If Richardson was the Democrat nominee and McCain the Republican I would have voted Dem this year. |
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Right Hardshell. My point is that there's no Democrate kicking in on this web, saying anything that supports the need for change. Only a sense of if a Demo wins, guns are out. There are in fact, somethings more immediately important. The economy, health care, treatment for our kids coming home from the sand, where they should not be anyway. |
But you still support the troops, right? |
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Obama wants to create a civilian force as powerful as the military (sound familiar?), He wants to give away America's sovereignty to the UN, He wants to give billions away to Africa and other countries, He wants to ban CCW. Why in the world would I support someone like that? |
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economy- government has no business there anyway. Health care- ditto Kids coming home from the sand- They all volunteered, I don't think we should have been there when we did either, but congress gave approval and continues to do so. Guess what party makes up the majority of congress? |
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From someone who lives in Florida, no matter your affiliation, you don't have much to worry about regarding Firearms ownership. That is because of decades of conservative leadership that has reinforced these rights. You do realize that, right? When given half the chance, less Conservative members of state, Local, and federal government will infringe those rights. If you lived in NJ as I do, and had to deal with nanny-state nonsense as I do, you might think differently. for me, whomever wants more government control, whomever promises more gimmies, automatically does not get my vote. |
Not trying to be a dick, but it'd be easier to take you seriously if you would stop misspelling the name of your party. |
The Democrats caused most of our economic problems in the first place. I don't want socialized healthcare! I'm 20 years old, I work for a small company, and I have healthcare without the government helping me! I don't make that much money, but if I can afford healthcare I pretty sure that almost everyone in America can afford it... That is if they don't mind working and don't waste their money. Most Democrats are not friends to the military or veterans! |
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Your phraseology is baiting, nothing more. The fact that, as a 57 year old Black man, you do not know/understand the racist history of the phrase "Saturday Night Specials" shows me you would rather denigrate poor/working class people then understand that the first right of a person is the right to live/exist on this earth, and that in order to do so, they MUST have the means to defend themselves, even if they can only afford a $140 Hi-Point C-9. Your 10/6 comments are also troubling and reveal a large class warfare chip on your shoulder. Here: "that all the Repubs are rich, self serving, deep pockets who can't relate or won't relate to the economic crisis America is facing." And: "Hate to think what my position would be if the enemy to my constitutional right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness was some pro-gunner without a clue to the impact his policies are having on a working class guy like me." Lastly: "This is America, no one is going to take our guns, but the trend in Republican economic policy will desroy the rest of what's important." The change you are seeking is really a communitarian/fascistic viewpoint, masquerading under the useless sophistry of "Hope" and "Change". Considering that almost EVERYONE works in this country, what do you consider the tipping point between those that "really work" and those who do not "work"? $40,000/year? $60,000/year? $80,000/year? $100,000/year? More? Less? You talk about your community and a lack of support. What specific support are you looking for, or expect your Government to provide you, other than 'Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness'? |
No. It's that Obama will take away many of the things that you listed. You won't HAVE the AR15 anymore,or it will be registered so they can take it away at a moment's notice. Doesn't the arrogance of that irritate you? I could care less that he's black,pink,green,whatever. It's his ideas I disagree with. |
Well, I'm not a Democrat, but I AM an Obama supporter. OK, actually I AM registered as a democrat, but only because when I registered Florida hadn't elected a republican in like a hundred years, so the Democratic primaries generally decided who was going to be elected. I am a Libertarian, conservative in most (all) governmental things, and liberal on social issues. Lately (since the election of george bush), I have been ardently anti-republican, what with their embrace of fundamentalist Christianity and desire to write discrimination into our Constitution. I vote Democrat because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And I am a gun-lover, as all on here are. Even so, I can not vote for someone who will continue the bush onslaught against the U. S. Constitution and hope that after Obama is president that there will remain in Congress enough moderates and conservatives to hold onto our right to bear arms. If there's not, we'll throw them out of office and elect someone else who believes in ALL of the rights given us under our Constitution. |
What is this "discrimination" of which you speak? I'd really like to know. |
 "Well, I'm not a Democrat, but I AM an Obama supporter. OK, actually I AM registered as a democrat, but only because when I registered Florida hadn't elected a republican in like a hundred years, so the Democratic primaries generally decided who was going to be elected. I am a Libertarian, conservative in most (all) governmental things, and liberal on social issues. Lately (since the election of george bush), I have been ardently anti-republican, what with their embrace of fundamentalist Christianity and desire to write discrimination into our Constitution. I vote Democrat because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And I am a gun-lover, as all on here are. Even so, I can not vote for someone who will continue the bush onslaught against the U. S. Constitution and hope that after Obama is president that there will remain in Congress enough moderates and conservatives to hold onto our right to bear arms. If there's not, we'll throw them out of office and elect someone else who believes in ALL of the rights given us under our Constitution." |
Whoa! I missed that completely until it was quoted. I am a white, life-long conservative from the Deep South and I (1) voted for a black man in the 2000 Presidential Primary because I really didn't care for GWB and (2) prayed fervently that Dr. Rice would consider running in either spot on the GOP ticket this time 'round. Is it a race thing? No. Abslutely not. Nor gender. I would vote for a man or woman of any ethnicity as long as they represent me/my beliefs/my values. (ETA: As I just noticed has already been said...  ) Sen. Obama could be white, pink, or yellow with purple polka-dots and his politics/beliefs would still stink IMO. 
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Their union jobs and longing for "social justice" are more important to them than freedom and rights are. |
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"democratic gun owners"  i guess you can use that phrase if you like bird-hunting with expensive O/U shotguns in the MA countryside, but otherwise... well... i'll never understand people who vote for candidates who've sworn to usurp their rights as protected by the constitution. |
Gun Owner and Obamunist = Cognitive dissonance You are suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome. Not to worry, Bush will be out of office in January. Strange that you state you want someone who will believe in our Constitution, yet support someone who more akin to the Fabian Socialist/Fascist of Woodrow Wilson's administration. |
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You should talk to ConservativeBlackFemale (her member name here) She will tell you how the Democratic party has done everything it can to exploit the Black vote, and has done more harm than good as far as equality goes. The Democrat's effort to try and get Blacks on the government teet, so that they become complacent and vote Democratic for more free benefits instead of securing a better life for themselves. Socialism hurts every class and every race. It locks you into a class system that no one can get out of. The Democratic party has been overran by socialism and is now their primary agenda. |
 "GBME, are you unable to actually TYPE on your computer? Have your fingers or hands been amputated? Or is it that you just aren't very bright and have nothing intelligent to say?" Of course I can type, I just don't care about your opinion. The tripe you guys posts is so pathetic, that I just can't help but to sit back and mock you. You expect us to actually believe this shit?  |
Your claims about Obama are speculation. That the republican adminstration lead by george bush is anti-Constitution is proven. I see NO evidence that anything would change under McCain, so I'll take the fear that may or may not be real over the one that's screwed every one of us in the ass for the past eight years any day. |
You are supposed to benefit your own community. The only way politics at the National level can benefit you is by hurting someone else. This is the problem on both sides, but especially with Democrats, and you just proved it. People are looking for a handouts in one way or another. The problem with handouts from the government is their hand comes out of my wallet and gives you what they took. |
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This needs a little tweaking: Your "more of the same" rhetoric is speculation. That the democratic congress lead by Pelosi is anti-Constitution is proven. I see plenty of evidence that EVERYTHING would change to socialism under Obama, so I'll take the fear that IS real over the one that's screwed every one of us in the ass for the past 40 years any day.
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So tell me........those issues that you stated are important in many ways........but, should we as gun owners be expected to just give up the rights that the U.S. Constitution spells out for us to make all these other things right again? Should we just sacrifice the freedoms we have enjoyed all these years just so the Liberals can play gotcha? Why should the 2nd Amendment be tossed aside to fix these other problems? You know, we can have both.........but sadly, if Obama wins, you can rest assured that he WILL, along with his pals, begin to try and shove anti legislation down our throats.......it's in his nature to do so
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The United States Congress filed an Amicus Brief in support of the view that the Second Amendment is an individual right to possess and use firearms for purposes of defense with the Supreme Court in the landmark case of District of Columbia v Heller. A majority of the Senate and more than half the members of Congress signed that Amicus brief in support of the Second Amendment. Senator Obama DID NOT SIGN. All Senator Obama had to do was show his support for the Constitution with a "stroke of a pen" and he refused. Now members of both parties signed that Amicus Brief like Senator James Webb it had nothing to do with partisanship whatsoever. So when it comes time to stand for the Constiution Obama is AWOL. He refused to sign that brief. He refused to support the Second Amendment when the opportunity presented itself. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/07/AR2008020703689.html WHERE WAS THE GREAT OBAMA WHEN IT CAME TIME TO TAKE A STAND FOR THE CONSTITUTION?
media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/congressmen_amicus_brief_0208.html?sid=ST2008020800127 Obama didn't sign the Congressional Amicus Brief in Heller because despite all his talk to the contrary he doesn't support the Second Amendment as an individual right. He's a liar and a enemy to the Constitution. |
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What is ironic is that Senator Obama is half black and yet he preaches again and again in support of policies that amount to nothing more than strict majority rule and tyranny over the minority (as in those not in favor of the popular not race). The Constitution preserves minority rights and protects them from the tyranny of the majority. Obama doesn't care. He think it's more important to select Justices based on "whether they can have empathy for single mothers or the poor" than whether they will uphold the strict interpretation of the Constitution. With Obama you better watch out what type of "change" he brings as it may result in a tryanny of the majority which can go from being great for you one day to taking everything from you the next. I'll stay a citizen of a Constitutional Republic by voting against Senator Obama. |