Posted: 11/20/2024 12:50:07 AM EDT
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Does anyone have insight on the process to convert standard 16" rifles to SBR's with the ATF? Any info or firsthand knowledge appreciated Thank you |
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Originally Posted By Cjones124: Does anyone have insight on the process to convert standard 16" rifles to SBR's with the ATF? Any info or firsthand knowledge appreciated Thank you Who and why would a PDs rifles be checked for NFA approvals? If a PD was found in possession of an unapproved SBR or FA, who would get the charges? The Chief, Armorer, etc??? |
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Originally Posted By smullen: Who and why would a PDs rifles be checked for NFA approvals? If a PD was found in possession of an unapproved SBR or FA, who would get the charges? The Chief, Armorer, etc??? Originally Posted By smullen: Who and why would a PDs rifles be checked for NFA approvals? If a PD was found in possession of an unapproved SBR or FA, who would get the charges? The Chief, Armorer, etc??? Originally Posted By iGottaDropADuce: Is this a possibility for personally owned rifles that are to be used for work purposes? |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Yes. There’s a big write-up in the LEO forum, but basically the same F1 gets submitted (in the agency’s name). Some time after the approval, and after the SBR is made, it can be transferred “back” to its owner on F5 (from the agency to the individual officer, or to their trust). Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Originally Posted By iGottaDropADuce: Is this a possibility for personally owned rifles that are to be used for work purposes? I seem to remember some little podunk police department in the south was doing this and got caught. It led to charges for several people involved. It was a "make a donation, become a deputy, and we'll sign off on the paperwork and get you a new MG legally (somewhat) added to the registry." If anyone else recalls this, please help me with a town or department name as I cant remember where it was and my google fu is weak. It was much like that sheriff's department that had all the hollywood actors and rappers who were "deputy sheriffs" and were carrying guns all over the country. I think Steven Segal was one of their better known deputies. |
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Originally Posted By NYresq1: I seem to remember some little podunk police department in the south was doing this and got caught. It led to charges for several people involved. It was a "make a donation, become a deputy, and we'll sign off on the paperwork and get you a new MG legally (somewhat) added to the registry." If anyone else recalls this, please help me with a town or department name as I cant remember where it was and my google fu is weak. It was much like that sheriff's department that had all the hollywood actors and rappers who were "deputy sheriffs" and were carrying guns all over the country. I think Steven Segal was one of their better known deputies. There are some caveats with agency registration of personally-owned SBRs, of course. It cannot be done just to “get a free Form 1” since that would be tax evasion. If the officer is going to use it on duty then that’s a valid reason for F1 registration. Once that use is fulfilled, it’s kinda up to the officer and their agency who it stays registered to. Obviously the officer who owns it will ultimately want to separate from the agency with it registered to them. The benefit to it staying registered to the agency is the undisputed interstate transport without a Form 5320.20 for any official use. When registered to a private owner (even for duty use) an approved 5320.20 may be required prior to interstate transport. (I haven’t seen any case law or official guidance regarding this situation.) EDIT: Bradley Wendt Here’s a former Chief of Police in Adair, IA who was sentenced to 5 years on July 1 of this year for writing and signing his own demo letters (as both the police chief of a small 2-man agency and the owner of his own FFL/SOT named BW Outfitters). The ATF and FBI conducted a joint investigation after he signed 40 demo letters between July 2018 and August 2022 to have about 90 MGs transferred through his SOT, which then offered most of them for sale. He also rented range time on an M60 mounted on his business’s HMMWV while it was still registered to the PD. He lied to ATF in writing by stating the guns being acquired were not for resale, and obviously abused his CLEO position for personal profit (of about $80k it says). He sent a bunch of text messages which they presented as evidence during his trial. https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/06/11/iowa-police-chief-could-face-prison-for-gun-sales-im-chief-of-police-b/ @NYresq1 Is this the person/agency you’re thinking of? Personally, I don’t think MGs or barrel lengths should be restricted, but currently they are so it’s important to follow the law. Steven Segal was briefly with the Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office, but that wasn’t the agency “selling” commission cards for nationwide LEOSA concealed handgun coverage. (That was the infamous Lake Arthur, NM Police Department under Chief William Norwood) which ended around 2018 with his resignation. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Technically it’s not illegal, due to 18 USC 925. The weapons are supposed to be registered with ATF, but it’s basically a formality. (If the LE agency is federal, they’re not required to be registered with ATF.) Yes. There’s a big write-up in the LEO forum, but basically the same F1 gets submitted (in the agency’s name). Some time after the approval, and after the SBR is made, it can be transferred “back” to its owner on F5 (from the agency to the individual officer, or to their trust). I loaned a lower to work for the SRO program. Once work SBR'd it, I donated the parts to build the SBR. They said the school will probably close in a few years so work will transfer it back to me when the SRO program is over. Woot, free SBR. lol Next week, I'm going to install a suppressor on it. Too bad I can't have that when the program is over. 
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: @NYresq1 Is this the person/agency you’re thinking of? Personally, I don’t think MGs or barrel lengths should be restricted, but currently they are so it’s important to follow the law. Steven Segal was briefly with the Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office, but that wasn’t the agency “selling” commission cards for nationwide LEOSA concealed handgun coverage. (That was the infamous Lake Arthur, NM Police Department under Chief William Norwood) which ended around 2018 with his resignation. No, the one I was think about was a few years ago. It may be the same one, and I am thinking of when he was arrested and it took a few years for him to be sentenced, but I thought it was more like 5 or even maybe 7 years ago. And I also think SBR's (and suppressors) being a tax stamp items are stupid... |
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