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Posted: 5/20/2023 6:37:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair enough. See my previous post on p 1. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 6:41:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See my previous post on p 1. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fair enough. See my previous post on p 1. So which one of you is right? |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 6:43:32 AM EST
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Nope. I am currently in Israel and have been from the Southenmost point to the Northenmost and all areas in between and have not seen one shred of archaelogical evidence of the Exodus.
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Posted: 5/20/2023 6:48:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right answer and my answer also. Excellent question and some real good answers, I saved this post for later reading. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's called faith. You either believe or you don't. Strictly your choice. I choose to believe. Right answer and my answer also. Excellent question and some real good answers, I saved this post for later reading. My answer also. Faith is hard core but without it...it is impossible to please God. So much bible history (archaeology) has been proved when someone meant to disprove. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 6:57:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everything in the Bible happened as it's written. Not sure why that's a point of debate with some Christians.  I think it would be silly to assume there aren't translation differences, considering there's differences in the different books alone. How many fish and loaves of bread was it? I thought it happened as written. The fact that people are so pedantic when the overall message is clear is ridiculous. Cut the crap out. Live like Jesus, bring people to Jesus, repent of your sins, ask for salvation. It's pretty simple. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:04:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been a decade or so, but I recall reading about archaeological divers discovering a crapload of wrecked Egyptian-style chariots in the Red Sea. I took the story with a grain of salt because some of those academics can be pretty shady if they have a narrative they're trying to push. And I seem to remember some simulations being done that showed strong winds and a certain tide formation could have lowered the water level enough for people to walk across in certain areas. Not sure if it's same as chariot location, but there are ways that the biblical story could have been adapted from truth. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:07:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. I am currently in Israel and have been from the Southenmost point to the Northenmost and all areas in between and have not seen one shred of archaelogical evidence of the Exodus. I’ve been all over Louisiana and never seen one shred of archeological evidence of French explorer René-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de la Salle. He must not have been there. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:07:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes the Jews utterly pissed off pharaoh. Resulting in some pretty hard core shit happening with the ocean. Then they promptly got lost in the desert for 40 years because they kinda were assholes. Everything else takes some belief. Have you ever asked a Jewish guy for directions? Believing they got lost for 40 years doesn't require a lot of blind faith to religious texts. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:07:59 AM EST
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Yes it did.
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:12:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cut the crap out. Live like Jesus, bring people to Jesus, repent of your sins, ask for salvation. It's pretty simple. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:29:01 AM EST
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Toured the Holy Land just before the Covid outbreak...awesome trip...will definitely go back.
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:30:43 AM EST
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Somebody is feeling persecuted.
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:33:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it wasn't written in English, and it used language that people 3,000 years ago understood but modern people don't. Also, yes is the answer to the OP. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everything in the Bible happened as it's written. Not sure why that's a point of debate with some Christians. Because it wasn't written in English, and it used language that people 3,000 years ago understood but modern people don't. Also, yes is the answer to the OP. Same thing with "Red v. Reed". People can't comprehend a whole sea of however many feet deep getting split to dry ground so a couple of million people can walk across it. Or "was it REALLY six days?" Once you accept that the God of the universe, that is eternally self-existent and exists outside of time just like I exist outside of this webpage you are reading said "Let light be" and light all of a sudden was, stuff like Genesis and Exodus fall into their natural places. It's very much like the Virgin Birth. Does the Virgin Birth prove who Christ is? Not really. But once you understand who Christ really is, the Virgin Birth becomes a "yeah, that makes sense and anything else is foolish". |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:33:37 AM EST
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Yes
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:42:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a point where faith and archeological proof match? Yes there is. A couple of others have already pointed this out. Search: "Finding the Mountain of Moses: The Real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia" for one of several short videos and documentaries which links the real site of the Red Sea crossing with the location of Mt Sinai and all of the other significant sites in ancient Midian etc. from the Exodus account |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:50:41 AM EST
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Yes.........
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:50:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a point where faith and archeological proof match? That might be the wrong question. It doesn't take so much faith that a physical location exists as the Bible and most other records from that time are generally accurate about that even with the name changes over the centuries. But it doesn't mean the interpretation of the alleged events is accurate or that they even occurred. It often takes faith to corroborate that which is only a match to the faithful. Not relying on evidence can match anything. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 7:52:36 AM EST
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Yes, it did, as well all the other miracles in the Bible.
Read the very first sentence in the Bible. If you believe that, everything else is possible but if you don't then you will doubt everything else just like Pharaoh did. Genesis 1:1 kjv "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 8:09:09 AM EST
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The bible is fiction set in the real world.
Of course there is a lot of verifiable history and archaeology in it. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:21:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You literally believe Genesis happened as it's written? The first man was created 6 days, less than 150 hours after the creation of the world? Yup. In 5554BC. 
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:23:43 AM EST
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I dont know man. Questions abound, the Egyptians were matriculas record keepers. I have never seen anything remotely proving it.
Just like to see some proof |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:30:11 AM EST
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Quoted: As depicted in the Old Testament? The God of Abraham split the Red Sea and led the Hebrews to their freedom? I’d love to take a once-in-a-lifetime trip to the holy land. Do people hypothesize on the actual crossing site, the location of ancient Israel, mt sinai,.etc… Yes. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 9:35:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont know man. Questions abound, the Egyptians were matriculas record keepers. I have never seen anything remotely proving it. Just like to see some proof  The Exodus Pharaoh EXPLAINED!  THE EXODUS EXPLORED—Chariots and Coral |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:06:45 AM EST
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There is a wonderful series on Egypt in the Great Courses catalog.
The professor does a whole session on the Israelites in Egypt. There is no conclusive physical evidence, but taking all currently know facts into consideration, his conclusion is the story is “plausible”. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:08:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They found a bunch of chariots in the middle of the red sea If true that is only evidence of chariots in the Red Sea, not evidence of how they got there. Most who make this claim cite a story from World News Daily Report which produces satirical content much like The Onion. Over the years the story has been carried by other news outlets frequented by the faithful and evolved among them as evidence of Exodus. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:16:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is archeological evidence for the account of Exodus in Saudi Arabia. Specifically Jabal Maqla/Jebel el Lawz ("Burnt mountain, aka Mt Horeb) has a distinctive charred characteristic at its upper 200 feet, which is unique from the surrounding range. https://visitmountsinaiarabia.com/wp-content/uploads/bb-plugin/cache/20200122_165001-landscape.jpeg At the base, there is an alleged alter & hieroglyphics depicting a calf (ie. Golden calf idol), & another alter with the 12 pillars (built by Moses, & fitting the specs described in the account), some of them likely having been stolen over time, symbolizing the Isreali tribes. https://lirp.cdn-website.com/d2bc3567/dms3rep/multi/opt/Gold_Calf_Altar-640w.jpg https://lirp.cdn-website.com/d2bc3567/dms3rep/multi/opt/Golden_Calf_Petroglyphs-640w.jpg https://doubtingthomasresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/altar-and-pillars.jpg Finally, at the NW corner of Mt Horeb is the split rock, which is possibly the same that Moses struck & released water, as supported by evidence of apparent smooth wear water erosion on either side of the opening. https://cdn.lovin.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2022/10/15064605/1-1-1.png I was watching some YouTube stuff on it last night, and they discussed this site specifically. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:48:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Either it happened or a bunch of Jews lied. 
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:51:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a wonderful series on Egypt in the Great Courses catalog. The professor does a whole session on the Israelites in Egypt. There is no conclusive physical evidence, but taking all currently know facts into consideration, his conclusion is the story is “plausible”.  One of the nine mud seals bearing the name of biblical patriarch "Yaqub" (Jacob) found in the remains of a Middle Bronze Age palace. The seal (bullae) were found during the excavations in the remains of a Middle Bronze Age Hyksos palace in the Avaris area (also known as biblical Goshen). |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 10:56:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it did, as well all the other miracles in the Bible. Read the very first sentence in the Bible. If you believe that, everything else is possible but if you don't then you will doubt everything else just like Pharaoh did. Genesis 1:1 kjv "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." This is the best post in the thread. If you don't believe the very first sentence of the bible, you're going to have problems with the rest of it. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:14:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If true that is only evidence of chariots in the Red Sea, not evidence of how they go there. Most who make this claim cite a story from World News Daily Report which produces satirical content much like The Onion. Over the years the story has been carried by other news outlets frequented by the faithful and evolved among them as evidence of Exodus. Ron Wyatt was a shyster and the supposed ‘chariots’ were likely French(?) gun carriages from the First World War era. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:24:03 AM EST
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I love how God chose a Man who stammered to go free the Chosen people.
God does not call the qualified, He qualifies the Called. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:24:50 AM EST
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There's no record of it in Egyptian writings,and they documented everything
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:28:48 AM EST
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Yes did.
The entire book is filled with things that actually happened. 
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:29:21 AM EST
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It really happened.
Do people hypothesize on the actual crossing site, the location of ancient Israel, mt sinai,.etc… I have been there the crossing site and where Jesus was baptized are:" "Right here where you are standing, or 5-50 miles in that direction or possibly 2-20 miles in the other direction. But it was right here." |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:32:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You literally believe Genesis happened as it's written? The first man was created 6 days, less than 150 hours after the creation of the world? Yes, with a Cavet. An hour for God could be millenniums for a human. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:32:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually yes. Years back, experts and skeptics said there’s no this city and no that city, it’s Bible fiction. As archaeology progressed, lo and behold, those cities were found. With current technology, probably even more will be found. All that means is that the original document was written at a time when those cities were still thriving, for a contemporary audience who would recognize those places. Just because Gone With The Wind mentions Atlanta or some other actual places and people doesn't change that it's a work of fiction |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:33:56 AM EST
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Yes, of course it happened. How else can you explain the escape of the Hebrews from Egypt, where they had been enslaved for hundreds of years? It's not like Pharoah just said, "Hey, nice to know you. Thanks for your help. You can go now." Nor could the Hebrews have engaged the Egyptian army in battle. How would they have done that? With harsh language?
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:34:14 AM EST
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Quoted: As depicted in the Old Testament? The God of Abraham split the Red Sea and led the Hebrews to their freedom? I’d love to take a once-in-a-lifetime trip to the holy land. Do people hypothesize on the actual crossing site, the location of ancient Israel, mt sinai,.etc… Yes. Also don't get to close to the sea when you were walking through the part.  The Red Sea || Robot Chicken |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:34:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's called faith. You either believe or you don't. Strictly your choice. I choose to believe. There is archeological evidence, along with translation errors. Red Sea is the sea of reeds, a large swamp on the way bank of the Nile. This is what parted, and it swallowed a whole Egyptian army... with help from the Jews in there of course. Bread from the wind still happens there to this day. It's sweet sap from a bush growing there, a defense against the aphids biting into the plant. And it goes on. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:41:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, but probably the Reed Sea, not the Red Sea. And probably during a historical drought. They were there for months and probably crossed when the levels were super low. It wasn't like Charlton Heston waving a stick and then there was 2 massive walls of water on each side after a couple days. Historically it definitely happened, but it wasn't devine. Just good luck/timing. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 11:50:17 AM EST
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Yes
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Posted: 5/20/2023 12:02:12 PM EST
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Truth of the exodus has been hidden by local "archaeologists" and regional authority (Aka; Egyptologists) and assumed time lines. Im not a big fan corporate/institutional christianity but this guy has made some pretty compelling discoveries.
I think its a rent movie on youtube but its free on Tubi  Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 12:05:23 PM EST
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Please don't get this thread locked. There is some amazing information being posted in it!
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Posted: 5/20/2023 12:06:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And probably during a historical drought. They were there for months and probably crossed when the levels were super low. It wasn't like Charlton Heston waving a stick and then there was 2 massive walls of water on each side after a couple days. Historically it definitely happened, but it wasn't devine. Just good luck/timing. So, the Hebrews were there for months while the Egyptian army was in hot pursuit and killing them like flies? LOL no. How would they have held out for months during this onslaught, with no weapons and no food? |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 1:18:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is archeological evidence, along with translation errors. Red Sea is the sea of reeds, a large swamp on the way bank of the Nile. This is what parted, and it swallowed a whole Egyptian army... with help from the Jews in there of course. Bread from the wind still happens there to this day. It's sweet sap from a bush growing there, a defense against the aphids biting into the plant. And it goes on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's called faith. You either believe or you don't. Strictly your choice. I choose to believe. There is archeological evidence, along with translation errors. Red Sea is the sea of reeds, a large swamp on the way bank of the Nile. This is what parted, and it swallowed a whole Egyptian army... with help from the Jews in there of course. Bread from the wind still happens there to this day. It's sweet sap from a bush growing there, a defense against the aphids biting into the plant. And it goes on. Not really. I mean, don’t get me wrong, if you were in a religious studies 1 class at a state university that answer would get you a pat on the head, but it’s wrong. The phrase yam suph (transliteration, no Hebrew font here) has been used to describe the Red Sea both in and outside the Tanak for centuries. Trying to apply modern boundaries to ancient descriptions is a poor way to do history. In fact, if you’ve had any formal historical training, you’d know that that’s a historical anachronism - a fallacy in historical thinking. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 1:34:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did it happen as portrayed in movies? Nope Think of a marsh/ wetland area that keeps its depth by being constantly fed by flowing water. The flow stoped it quickly dried then was followed by a flash flood… 
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Posted: 5/20/2023 2:06:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThat's a good reference as it gives a visual to the timeline. What's interesting is that there are objects that predate the alleged flood that show no signs of immersion or disturbance. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 2:16:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, the Hebrews were there for months while the Egyptian army was in hot pursuit and killing them like flies? LOL no. How would they have held out for months during this onslaught, with no weapons and no food? Ok sure that's what some book says. I just don't understand how a bunch of people decided that a story that was handed down over a couple thousand years and was edited by hundreds of people is something to live your life by. It isn't hard to just not be a dick, without the special rules or worrying about magic sky daddy watching me 24/7. I understand that the fear of death dictates that a happy fable of something else gives warm and fuzzys, but there is a 99.9999% chance that lights out will feel like before you were born. |
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Posted: 5/20/2023 2:24:29 PM EST
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Double post....
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Posted: 5/20/2023 2:25:08 PM EST
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Coral in the Red sea shaped like axle wheels of chariots. This blew my mind when I first saw it.
THE EXODUS EXPLORED—Chariots and Coral |
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