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On June 14, 1777 the Continental Congress adopted the following flag: Resolved: that the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation. In 1775, New England ships flew the Liberty Tree, the Continental Navy used the Don't Tread on Me with outstretched snake and alternating red and white horizontal stripes flag, then the Sons of Liberty flag, then the New England flag with tree and alternating white, red and blue horizontal stripes, then the Foster Flag, then the Grand Union flag (Continental Colors) with 13 alternate red and white horizontal stripes and the British Union Jack in the upper left-hand corner, then the two Betsy Ross flags, then the Cowpens Flad, the Brandywine and that gets us to June 1777. The Gadsden Flag was inspired by Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden who, during the Second Continental Congress presented one to the legislature of his home state of South Carolina which he represented and another to Commodore Esek Hopkins, Navy Commander in Chief as the Commodore's personal standard. He was probably inspired by symbolism used by the first Marines preparing for the Navy's first missions. Those were the only two "Gadsden Flags" ever known, and the actual design of the flag is unknown as there are no historical records other than vague descriptions. It was never adopted as the "flag of the United States" by the Continental Congress, nor any congress since. I have never read any reference of, nor heard of the Gadsden Flag used as a "National Flag." It certainly does not fit the description in the Flag Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 9 or Executive Order No. 10798. I need an official reference authorizing the use of the Gadsden Flag as the National Flag. I believe that only the National Flags adopted during and after the Continental Congress of June 12, 1777 qualify. Thanks The The Flag Resolution of 1777 by the Second Continental Congress simply determined what the Standard by which flags will be designed. Hence the Stars & Stripes. But the Gadsden Flag does fall under as a National Flag. The reason for this is because the Gadsden was one of the flags used by many during the start of the conflict as an identifier for the field of battle. Which of course the start of the war predated the Flag Resolution of 1777. By that reasoning, any flag that any State flew during the war or any flag that any Navy commander or Army officer chose to fly would qualify as the "National" Flag. All the territories were "fields of battle." The first resolution passed by our governing body that set standards for the National flag was on June 14, 1777 by the Second Continental Congress. The first National Flag was, in fact, the stars and strips with thirteen stars. The Gadsden Flag was merely a gift to one states legislature and another gift to a fellow officer in our new Navy to use as his own personal identifier, flown on his ship. Its all over the history books. Sorry. http://www.usa-flag-site.org/history.shtml http://www.usflag.org/history/flagevolution.html http://www.foundingfathers.info/American-flag/stars-and-stripes.html http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagfact.html Edited to include links. 
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Not Flown Correctly The Gadsden Flag is America's oldest National Flag and Ensign. As such it is not to be flown in the manner above. Under the Flag Rules and Regulations; any older design of the US National Flag may be flown in place of the current Stars & Stripes. This includes the Betsy Ross, the Bennington Flag, the Cowpens Flag, and the Grand Union Flag. As such here are the following rules and regulations you guys should follow. #1 - No US National Flag will be flown lower in height then any Foreign Flag or State Flag #2 - A US National Flag may be flown of equal height with a foreign flag. #3 - If a current version of the Star & Stripes is to be flown in conjunction with an older US National flag. Then both flags must be flown at equal height on separate flag poles. #4 - Any older version of the Stars & Stripes or US National Flag is still active. Thus it may be flown by itself in place of the current Stars & Stripes. As such, said flag will be flown with the proper respect that it rightly deserves. #5 - If the Stars & Stripes or older US National Flag is to be flown in conjunction with a State Flag. Then the arraignment will be the Stars & Stripes or older US National Flag to be above the State flag if on one flag pole or if on separate flag poles then the Stars & Stripes or older US National Flag will be flown at a higher height then the State Flag. 
Flown Correctly History of the flag The Gadsden flag is a historical American flag with a yellow field depicting a rattlesnake coiled and ready to strike. Positioned below the snake is the legend "Dont Tread on Me". The flag was designed by and is named after American general and statesman Christopher Gadsden. It was also used by the United States Marine Corps as an early motto flag.
Snake Symbolism The use of the timber rattlesnake as a symbol of the American colonies can be traced back to the publications of Benjamin Franklin. In 1751, he made the first reference to the rattlesnake in a satirical commentary published in his Pennsylvania Gazette. It had been the policy of Britain to send convicted criminals to America, so Franklin suggested that they thank the British by sending rattlesnakes to England.
Benjamin Franklin's "Join, or Die" cartoon In 1754, during the French and Indian War, Franklin published his famous woodcut of a snake cut into eight sections. It represented the colonies, with New England joined together as the head and South Carolina as the tail, following their order along the coast. Under the snake was the message "Join, or Die". This was the first political cartoon published in an American newspaper. 
Benjamin Franklin's "Join, or Die" cartoon As the American Revolution grew, the snake began to see more use as a symbol of the colonies. In 1774, Paul Revere added it to the title of his paper, the Massachusetts Spy, as a snake joined to fight a British dragon. In December 1775, Benjamin Franklin published an essay in the Pennsylvania Journal under the pseudonym American Guesser in which he suggested that the rattlesnake was a good symbol for the American spirit: I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids—She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance.—She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage.—As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in the roof of her mouth, so that, to those who are unacquainted with her, she appears to be a most defenseless animal; and even when those weapons are shewn and extended for her defense, they appear weak and contemptible; but their wounds however small, are decisive and fatal:—Conscious of this, she never wounds till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her.—Was I wrong, Sir, in thinking this a strong picture of the temper and conduct of America?
Gadsden's Flag In fall 1775, the United States Navy was established to intercept incoming British ships carrying war supplies to the British troops in the colonies. To aid in this, the Second Continental Congress authorized the mustering of five companies of Marines to accompany the Navy on their first mission. The first Marines that enlisted were from Philadelphia and they carried drums painted yellow, depicting a coiled rattlesnake with thirteen rattles, and the motto "Don't Tread On Me." This is the first recorded mention of the future Gadsden flag's symbolism.
At the Congress, Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden represented his home state of South Carolina. He was one of three members of the Marine Committee who were outfitting the first naval mission. It is unclear whether Gadsden took his inspiration from the Marines' drums, or if he inspired them himself. Before the departure of that first mission, the newly appointed commander-in-chief of the Navy, Commodore Esek Hopkins, received the yellow rattlesnake flag described above from Gadsden to serve as his distinctive personal standard. Gadsden also presented a copy of this flag to the South Carolina legislature in Charleston, South Carolina. This was recorded in the South Carolina congressional journals: Col. Gadsden presented to the Congress an elegant standard, such as is to be used by the commander in chief of the American navy; being a yellow field, with a lively representation of a rattle-snake in the middle, in the attitude of going to strike, and these words underneath, "Don't Tread on Me!" 
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thought this was basic knowledge Nope. I was not aware that the Gadsden was once our national flag. Shame on me for that 
But this night I will go to sleep a little wiser than I was when I awoke. _MaH ETA: Well, it would seem in my exhausted and tired state of mind last night that I accepted something as truth without conducting my own research. Glad this was cleared up. |
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thought this was basic knowledge Nope.... it's not. Every time I see someone post a picture about the Gadsden it's always being flown in a improper way. Every time I drive and I see it flown. It's flown in a improper way.... Don't people learn about History anymore? |
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Quoted: http://i40.tinypic.com/e81f7s.jpg Not Flown Correctly http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/stitch2rbn/Host/DSC01005555.jpg Not Flown Correctly The Gadsen Flag is America's oldest National Flag and Ensign. As such it is not to be flown in the manner above. Under the Flag Rules and Regulations; any older design of the US National Flag may be flown in place of the current Stars & Stripes. This includes the Betsy Ross, the Bennington Flag, the Cowpens Flag, and the Grand Union Flag. As such here are the following rules and regulations you guys should follow. #1 - No US National Flag will be flown lower in height then any Foreign Flag or State Flag #2 - A US National Flag may be flown of equal height with a foreign flag. #3 - If a current version of the Star & Stripes is to be flown in conjunction with an older US National flag. Then both flags must be flown at equal height on separate flag poles. #4 - Any older version of the Stars & Stripes or US National Flag is still active. Thus it may be flown by itself in place of the current Stars & Stripes. As such, said flag will be flown with the proper respect that it rightly deserves. #5 - If the Stars & Stripes or older US National Flag is to be flown in conjunction with a State Flag. Then the arraignment will be the Stars & Stripes or older US National Flag to be above the State flag if on one flag pole or if on separate flag poles then the Stars & Stripes or older US National Flag will be flown at a higher height then the State Flag. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p154/bearnut/gadsdenflag.jpg Flown Correctly History of the flag The Gadsden flag is a historical American flag with a yellow field depicting a rattlesnake coiled and ready to strike. Positioned below the snake is the legend "Dont Tread on Me". The flag was designed by and is named after American general and statesman Christopher Gadsden. It was also used by the United States Marine Corps as an early motto flag. Snake Symbolism The use of the timber rattlesnake as a symbol of the American colonies can be traced back to the publications of Benjamin Franklin. In 1751, he made the first reference to the rattlesnake in a satirical commentary published in his Pennsylvania Gazette. It had been the policy of Britain to send convicted criminals to America, so Franklin suggested that they thank the British by sending rattlesnakes to England. Benjamin Franklin's "Join, or Die" cartoon In 1754, during the French and Indian War, Franklin published his famous woodcut of a snake cut into eight sections. It represented the colonies, with New England joined together as the head and South Carolina as the tail, following their order along the coast. Under the snake was the message "Join, or Die". This was the first political cartoon published in an American newspaper. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Joinordie.jpg/220px-Joinordie.jpg Benjamin Franklin's "Join, or Die" cartoon As the American Revolution grew, the snake began to see more use as a symbol of the colonies. In 1774, Paul Revere added it to the title of his paper, the Massachusetts Spy, as a snake joined to fight a British dragon. In December 1775, Benjamin Franklin published an essay in the Pennsylvania Journal under the pseudonym American Guesser in which he suggested that the rattlesnake was a good symbol for the American spirit: I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids—She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance.—She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage.—As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in the roof of her mouth, so that, to those who are unacquainted with her, she appears to be a most defenseless animal; and even when those weapons are shewn and extended for her defense, they appear weak and contemptible; but their wounds however small, are decisive and fatal:—Conscious of this, she never wounds till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her.—Was I wrong, Sir, in thinking this a strong picture of the temper and conduct of America? Gadsen's Flag In fall 1775, the United States Navy was established to intercept incoming British ships carrying war supplies to the British troops in the colonies. To aid in this, the Second Continental Congress authorized the mustering of five companies of Marines to accompany the Navy on their first mission. The first Marines that enlisted were from Philadelphia and they carried drums painted yellow, depicting a coiled rattlesnake with thirteen rattles, and the motto "Don't Tread On Me." This is the first recorded mention of the future Gadsden flag's symbolism. At the Congress, Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden represented his home state of South Carolina. He was one of three members of the Marine Committee who were outfitting the first naval mission. It is unclear whether Gadsden took his inspiration from the Marines' drums, or if he inspired them himself. Before the departure of that first mission, the newly appointed commander-in-chief of the Navy, Commodore Esek Hopkins, received the yellow rattlesnake flag described above from Gadsden to serve as his distinctive personal standard. Gadsden also presented a copy of this flag to the South Carolina legislature in Charleston, South Carolina. This was recorded in the South Carolina congressional journals: Col. Gadsden presented to the Congress an elegant standard, such as is to be used by the commander in chief of the American navy; being a yellow field, with a lively representation of a rattle-snake in the middle, in the attitude of going to strike, and these words underneath, "Don't Tread on Me!" http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/US_flag_13_stars_%E2%80%93_Betsy_Ross.svg/220px-US_flag_13_stars_%E2%80%93_Betsy_Ross.svg.png Betsy Ross Flag http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Bennington_Flag.svg/250px-Bennington_Flag.svg.png Bennington Flag http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Cowpens_Flag.svg/250px-Cowpens_Flag.svg.png Cowpens Flag http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Grand_Union_Flag.svg/250px-Grand_Union_Flag.svg.png Grand Union Flag (America's First Naval Ensign) You rock like fucking WHITESNAKE for educating us all on this.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: thought this was basic knowledge Nope. I was not aware that the Gadsden was once our national flag. Shame on me for that But this night I will go to sleep a little wiser than I was when I awoke. _MaH +1. Did not know ANY flag could preempt Old Glory on our soil. |
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thought this was basic knowledge Nope. I was not aware that the Gadsden was once our national flag. Shame on me for that
But this night I will go to sleep a little wiser than I was when I awoke. _MaH +1. Did not know ANY flag could preempt Old Glory on our soil. Yup.... You can fly an older flag or an older version of the Stars & Stripes. |
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Quoted: You rock like fucking WHITESNAKE for educating us all on this. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X1IWXuEbgXI/SlBLrssn4bI/AAAAAAAABTg/4jF7e37Sr2A/s400/axl+rose+american+flag+pants.jpg You DO know that's Axl Rose of Guns n' Roses, not David Coverdale from Whitesnake. Right? |
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You rock like fucking WHITESNAKE for educating us all on this. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X1IWXuEbgXI/SlBLrssn4bI/AAAAAAAABTg/4jF7e37Sr2A/s400/axl+rose+american+flag+pants.jpg You DO know that's Axl Rose of Guns n' Roses, not David Coverdale from Whitesnake. Right? 
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Thanks for the heads up Miami_jbt.
Not to hijack, but FYI, amazon still has 3'x5' Gadsden Flags for .99 cents! I haven't ordered one, don't know their quality, but for .99 cents... http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1269584222&a=B000HHKXD0&sr=8-1 |
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On June 14, 1777 the Second Continental Congress, for the first time adopted the following : Resolved: that the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation.
In 1775, New England ships flew the Liberty Tree, the Continental Navy used the Don't Tread on Me with outstretched snake and alternating red and white horizontal stripes flag, then the Sons of Liberty flag, then the New England flag with tree and alternating white, red and blue horizontal stripes, then the Foster Flag, then the Grand Union flag (Continental Colors) with 13 alternate red and white horizontal stripes and the British Union Jack in the upper left-hand corner, then the two Betsy Ross flags, then the Cowpens Flad, the Brandywine and that gets us to June 1777. The Gadsden Flag was inspired by Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden who, during the Second Continental Congress presented one to the legislature of his home state of South Carolina which he represented and another to Commodore Esek Hopkins, Navy Commander in Chief as the Commodore's personal standard. He was probably inspired by symbolism used by the first Marines preparing for the Navy's first missions. Those were the only two "Gadsden Flags" ever known, and the actual design of the flag is unknown as there are no historical records other than vague descriptions. It was never adopted as the "flag of the United States" by the Continental Congress, nor any congress since. I have never read any reference of, nor heard of the Gadsden Flag used as a "National Flag." It certainly does not fit the description in the Flag Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 9 or Executive Order No. 10798. I need an official reference authorizing the use of the Gadsden Flag as the National Flag. I believe that only the National Flags adopted during and after the Continental Congress of June 12, 1777 qualify. Thanks |
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So the Gadsden Flag can be flown in place of, or equal in height (on a separate pole) to the Stars and Stripes, but not under the S&S because it is equal to? Correct?
And, as far as I know, flying the colors at an angle makes no difference as long as they are flown in proper order and/or height... correct? Thanks. ETA: Just read Beachjumper's post and awaiting clarification on the subject. |
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Quoted: Thanks for the heads up Miami_jbt. Not to hijack, but FYI, amazon still has 3'x5' Gadsden Flags for .99 cents! I haven't ordered one, don't know their quality, but for .99 cents... http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1269584222&a=B000HHKXD0&sr=8-1 Thanks for the find! For $1, it can't be much, but I'll post back if it is a bad deal. |
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Quoted: Quoted: thought this was basic knowledge Nope. I was not aware that the Gadsden was once our national flag. Shame on me for that But this night I will go to sleep a little wiser than I was when I awoke. _MaH I din't know that until the whole tea party movement started. Figured that if I was going to be walking around waving one, I should know all of the history behind it. Many people asked, especially during the first tea party protest, I was glad that I knew the story and could relate it. I did not know the proper etiquette for flying both the Gadsden and the Stars and Stripes. They both used to reside (at equal heights) on flag holders on either side of my front patio. Recently bought a flagpole and was going to fly the Gadsden below the S&S. Now I know...... and knowing is half the battle.  Since your flag knowledge trumps mine, perhaps you could answer a question. Is a bicentennial flag considered a proper US flag? My folks fly one (used to be my Grandfather's) in place of the S&S on holidays. Also, are funeral presentation flags intended to be flown? Grandfather was buried with military honors and my mom has the folded flag that was on his coffin. Thanks |
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Thanks for the heads up Miami_jbt. Not to hijack, but FYI, amazon still has 3'x5' Gadsden Flags for .99 cents! I haven't ordered one, don't know their quality, but for .99 cents... http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1269584222&a=B000HHKXD0&sr=8-1 Plus $57 S&H. 
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Quoted: Also, are funeral presentation flags intended to be flown? Grandfather was buried with military honors and my mom has the folded flag that was on his coffin. Thanks I would assume so its a flag but yeah would like to know I fly my great uncles every 4th of July he was shot down over France IIRC it does however appear to be wool or something equally heavy and stretches more each year I'm gonna have to quit eventually I think sadly i figure I will have one from my grandfather or father before that point |
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It makes me laugh when these brain washed college kids who come from communist public schools talk about the "yellow snake flag" and how it is racist, it is some sort of "covert Confederate flag" and is all about being anti-obama because he is black.
I asked one of them if they knew what that flag was called, he obviously did not, I told them who it was named after and why, and that it was used before there was an America and that it represents resisting tyranny and out-of-control government (against the British at that time). This one asshole perked up and asked, "Oh!!! So they are flying that flag against BUSH!!!" I gave up at that point.
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Yes, I did not see in any of the information provided where the flag was a "National" flag. I understand that it was a naval flag, on Marine drums, and as a personal flag for a navy official. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Your right, although the "image" of the coiled snake and the "don't tread on me" words were apparently painted, or in some way marked on the drums the Marines were using. So, it was the imagery that Gadsden had seen on the drums, not as flags. He used the imagery later to "design" the flag. The Second Continental Congress, on June 14, 1777 adopted the first resolution for our "National" flag, the stars and stripes with thirteen stars. |
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On June 14, 1777 the Continental Congress adopted the following flag: Resolved: that the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation. In 1775, New England ships flew the Liberty Tree, the Continental Navy used the Don't Tread on Me with outstretched snake and alternating red and white horizontal stripes flag, then the Sons of Liberty flag, then the New England flag with tree and alternating white, red and blue horizontal stripes, then the Foster Flag, then the Grand Union flag (Continental Colors) with 13 alternate red and white horizontal stripes and the British Union Jack in the upper left-hand corner, then the two Betsy Ross flags, then the Cowpens Flad, the Brandywine and that gets us to June 1777. The Gadsden Flag was inspired by Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden who, during the Second Continental Congress presented one to the legislature of his home state of South Carolina which he represented and another to Commodore Esek Hopkins, Navy Commander in Chief as the Commodore's personal standard. He was probably inspired by symbolism used by the first Marines preparing for the Navy's first missions. Those were the only two "Gadsden Flags" ever known, and the actual design of the flag is unknown as there are no historical records other than vague descriptions. It was never adopted as the "flag of the United States" by the Continental Congress, nor any congress since. I have never read any reference of, nor heard of the Gadsden Flag used as a "National Flag." It certainly does not fit the description in the Flag Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 9 or Executive Order No. 10798. I need an official reference authorizing the use of the Gadsden Flag as the National Flag. I believe that only the National Flags adopted during and after the Continental Congress of June 12, 1777 qualify. Thanks The The Flag Resolution of 1777 by the Second Continental Congress simply determined what the Standard by which flags will be designed. Hence the Stars & Stripes. But the Gadsden Flag does fall under as a National Flag. The reason for this is because the Gadsden was one of the flags used by many during the start of the conflict as an identifier for the field of battle. Which of course the start of the war predated the Flag Resolution of 1777. |
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On June 14, 1777 the Continental Congress adopted the following flag: Resolved: that the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation. In 1775, New England ships flew the Liberty Tree, the Continental Navy used the Don't Tread on Me with outstretched snake and alternating red and white horizontal stripes flag, then the Sons of Liberty flag, then the New England flag with tree and alternating white, red and blue horizontal stripes, then the Foster Flag, then the Grand Union flag (Continental Colors) with 13 alternate red and white horizontal stripes and the British Union Jack in the upper left-hand corner, then the two Betsy Ross flags, then the Cowpens Flad, the Brandywine and that gets us to June 1777. The Gadsden Flag was inspired by Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden who, during the Second Continental Congress presented one to the legislature of his home state of South Carolina which he represented and another to Commodore Esek Hopkins, Navy Commander in Chief as the Commodore's personal standard. He was probably inspired by symbolism used by the first Marines preparing for the Navy's first missions. Those were the only two "Gadsden Flags" ever known, and the actual design of the flag is unknown as there are no historical records other than vague descriptions. It was never adopted as the "flag of the United States" by the Continental Congress, nor any congress since. I have never read any reference of, nor heard of the Gadsden Flag used as a "National Flag." It certainly does not fit the description in the Flag Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 9 or Executive Order No. 10798. I need an official reference authorizing the use of the Gadsden Flag as the National Flag. I believe that only the National Flags adopted during and after the Continental Congress of June 12, 1777 qualify. Thanks The The Flag Resolution of 1777 by the Second Continental Congress simply determined what the Standard by which flags will be designed. Hence the Stars & Stripes. But the Gadsden Flag does fall under as a National Flag. The reason for this is because the Gadsden was one of the flags used by many during the start of the conflict as an identifier for the field of battle. Which of course the start of the war predated the Flag Resolution of 1777. By that reasoning, any flag that any State flew during the war or any flag that any Navy commander or Army officer chose to fly would qualify as the "National" Flag. All the territories were "fields of battle." The first resolution passed by our governing body that set standards for the National flag was on June 14, 1777 by the Second Continental Congress. The first National Flag was, in fact, the stars and strips with thirteen stars. The Gadsden Flag was merely a gift to one states legislature and another gift to a fellow officer in our new Navy to use as his own personal identifier, flown on his ship. Its all over the history books. Sorry. http://www.usa-flag-site.org/history.shtml http://www.usflag.org/history/flagevolution.html http://www.foundingfathers.info/American-flag/stars-and-stripes.html http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagfact.html Edited to include links. |
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So the Gadsden flag was never recognized by any congress as a national for the United States... therefore it cannot or should not be placed at the same height as the Stars and Stripes.
Flying it lower than the S&S is acceptable, but not in place of or equal to? |
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So the Gadsden flag was never recognized by any congress as a national for the United States... therefore it cannot or should not be placed at the same height as the Stars and Stripes. Flying it lower than the S&S is acceptable, but not in place of or equal to? Correct. Fly your flag, just don't mistake it for the National Flag. It is not. Effectively, the pics the OP shows as being incorrect, are, as far as we know, just fine. He's going to have to come up with an Executive Order, or Resolution, or something, that states that the Gadsden Flag is a National Flag... It would have been kinda cool if it was true. I would have flown it. 
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It makes me laugh when these brain washed college kids who come from communist public schools talk about the "yellow snake flag" and how it is racist, it is some sort of "covert Confederate flag" and is all about being anti-obama because he is black. I asked one of them if they knew what that flag was called, he obviously did not, I told them who it was named after and why, and that it was used before there was an America and that it represents resisting tyranny and out-of-control government (against the British at that time). This one asshole perked up and asked, "Oh!!! So they are flying that flag against BUSH!!!" I gave up at that point.
Good lesson OP. I've flown it against the last three presidents. |
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The Gadsden flag was never our national flag in any capacity. That said, the flag code is stupid law that is unenforceable anyway. Chunks of the law conflict with our national history of flag use. I ignore chunks of flag code whenever it suits me, and I fly flags however and whenever I want.
ETA: Also, our first de jure naval ensign was the first Stars and Stripes. |
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Thanks for the heads up Miami_jbt. Not to hijack, but FYI, amazon still has 3'x5' Gadsden Flags for .99 cents! I haven't ordered one, don't know their quality, but for .99 cents... http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1269584222&a=B000HHKXD0&sr=8-1 I hang mine inside, but hell, for the price, you can't beat it. |
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It makes me laugh when these brain washed college kids who come from communist public schools talk about the "yellow snake flag" and how it is racist, it is some sort of "covert Confederate flag" and is all about being anti-obama because he is black. I asked one of them if they knew what that flag was called, he obviously did not, I told them who it was named after and why, and that it was used before there was an America and that it represents resisting tyranny and out-of-control government (against the British at that time). This one asshole perked up and asked, "Oh!!! So they are flying that flag against BUSH!!!" I gave up at that point.
Good lesson OP. I've flown it against the last three presidents. I guess that is my point... It is not only an anti-obama thing, it is an anti big government thing, and IMO we have had our fill of that since FDR, obama is just making it worse, faster! |
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Thanks for the heads up Miami_jbt. Not to hijack, but FYI, amazon still has 3'x5' Gadsden Flags for .99 cents! I haven't ordered one, don't know their quality, but for .99 cents... http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1269584222&a=B000HHKXD0&sr=8-1 WTF !!!!! I was going to order 3 but not now. Items: $2.97 Shipping & Handling: $14.97 Total Before Tax: $17.94 Order Total: $17.94 I can get them at the flea mkt for $5 ea. |