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Posted: 6/7/2022 5:51:23 PM EDT
[#1]
Legal duty or moral duty?
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Posted: 6/7/2022 5:58:39 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled along the lines of since they have a duty to protect the public as a whole, they can't be held responsible for not protecting individuals.
From a case where a chick called about an intruder and the cops sat outside and did nothing, maybe in D.C. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:07:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled along the lines of since they have a duty to protect the public as a whole, they can't be held responsible for not protecting individuals. From a case where a chick called about an intruder and the cops sat outside and did nothing, maybe in D.C. But now we have the awkward situation of a school district police department who’s only job is to enforce the law in district buildings and protect students and staff of the school. A police department who seemingly failed to act accordingly to their mandate. This raises the question of how the Supreme Court would treat a police department charged with protecting the common public versus a school district police department whose charter is entirely different. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:09:35 PM EDT
[#4]
I don't give a shit about your kids.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:16:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit about your kids. This gives the impression that you’re in law enforcement. If so, have you ever wondered why public sentiment towards your profession is at an all time low? |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:18:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:20:29 PM EDT
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Do you mean like flashbang in a crib kind of protect?
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:21:54 PM EDT
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OP, what do you mean by 'protect' children? That's kind of a wide open question. Police are mandated reporters on cases of child abuse/neglect etc if that's what you mean.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:23:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Cops have no legal responsibility to help anyone!
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:24:14 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This raises the question of how the Supreme Court would treat a police department charged with protecting the common public versus a school district police department whose charter is entirely different. If they're willing to stand there and listen while children are being shot, they should be fired for cowardice. That's not on the Supreme Court; that's on the community that hired them. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:26:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit about your kids. Uvalde PD is probably hiring. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:26:48 PM EDT
[#12]
Pretty sure no duty to protect for police.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:27:52 PM EDT
[#13]
No one said "protect and serve" what... fine print and all.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:32:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled along the lines of since they have a duty to protect the public as a whole, they can't be held responsible for not protecting individuals. From a case where a chick called about an intruder and the cops sat outside and did nothing, maybe in D.C. Woman and her two roommates held hostage and repeatedly raped. One managed to call 911. Cops did a drive-by, didn't hear or see anything, then went to get donuts. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:32:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:36:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGod Damn 
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:37:48 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled along the lines of since they have a duty to protect the public as a whole, they can't be held responsible for not protecting individuals. From a case where a chick called about an intruder and the cops sat outside and did nothing, maybe in D.C. There was a more recent case, Castle Rock v. Gonzales which involved 3 children being murdered because The Police failed to enforce a restraining order. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:40:26 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cops have no legal responsibility to help anyone! Cops have no legal responsibility to protect anyone |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:42:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cops have no legal responsibility to help anyone! They do if they are hired for that job. 
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:48:50 PM EDT
[#20]
lol
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:52:10 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled along the lines of since they have a duty to protect the public as a whole, they can't be held responsible for not protecting individuals. From a case where a chick called about an intruder and the cops sat outside and did nothing, maybe in D.C. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:54:24 PM EDT
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Sure dosent seem like it...
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:59:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That case was Warren v. District of Columbia There was a more recent case, Castle Rock v. Gonzales which involved 3 children being murdered because The Police failed to enforce a restraining order. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled along the lines of since they have a duty to protect the public as a whole, they can't be held responsible for not protecting individuals. From a case where a chick called about an intruder and the cops sat outside and did nothing, maybe in D.C. There was a more recent case, Castle Rock v. Gonzales which involved 3 children being murdered because The Police failed to enforce a restraining order. A guy has a restraining order against him yet he willfully ignored / violated it?... |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:00:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal duty or moral duty? The whole FPNI question again…. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:01:10 PM EDT
[#25]
No but they should have the integrity and the will to,
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A guy has a restraining order against him yet he willfully ignored / violated it?... ....because no violent criminal would ignore a piece of paper? |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:01:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A guy has a restraining order against him yet he willfully ignored / violated it?... Seems like a man of low moral fiber |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit about your kids. Disregard this trolls response. I dont have a legal responsibility to respond but I do morally. Last time I straddled a corpse was doing CPR on a woman my age after she ran off the road and died. My wife pronounced her dead on the scene when the troopers arrived. I can still feel the creipitus to this day. I am a federal agent as many of you know. We arent all fucktards. That girls death still haunts me. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:29:21 PM EDT
[#29]
Don't count on it. And even if they did... Don't count on it.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:31:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled along the lines of since they have a duty to protect the public as a whole, they can't be held responsible for not protecting individuals. From a case where a chick called about an intruder and the cops sat outside and did nothing, maybe in D.C. deshaney v winnebago and gonzales v castle rock eta: deshaney is related to social services |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal duty or moral duty? See my post above |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:40:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Police have no leagl duty to protect anyone. That said their job and their retirement plans should be revoked if they refuse to do what's expected of them .unions will never let that happen habit men who are trusted to protect and run in fear while a school is being massacred should have big consequences
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:41:13 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled along the lines of since they have a duty to protect the public as a whole, they can't be held responsible for not protecting individuals. From a case where a chick called about an intruder and the cops sat outside and did nothing, maybe in D.C. A school house full of kids is as close the public welfare as you can get. Particularily considering the States duty in regards to minors coerced into it's care. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:43:00 PM EDT
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They only have a duty to protect them to ensure the Clinton family can traffic them from Haiti to Comet Pizza and the goods remain intact. Q
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:45:30 PM EDT
[#35]
Put simply, no.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 7:48:44 PM EDT
[#36]
In Illinois, DCFS has had several children die whose safety they were supposed to ensure. The head of this agency has been held in contempt of court several times, but nothing ever happens to anybody. Records are lost or non-existent.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:05:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do police have a duty to protect minors given that the state takes the position that CPS/DFS/etc have state authorities to protect minors? Let's ask Warren... the duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists" |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:15:32 PM EDT
[#38]
No.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:26:24 PM EDT
[#39]
No legal obligation to successfully protect someone is not the same as no duty to intervene.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:37:45 PM EDT
[#40]
 Attached FileThis is a mural on the Hallettsville, TX police department so surely they would protect the children! I saw this months ago for the first time and it made me want to throw up. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:39:29 PM EDT
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They are happy to write you a ticket on your way to work.
If someone is popping off people at your work place don't wait for them to show up. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:43:32 PM EDT
[#42]
The prevailing culture in my department is in the event of a mass shooter there are no excuses. If you can't face that, go elsewhere because everyone is hiring. When you think about it that's kind of messed up but we do what we do. My wife understands there is one circumstance where coming home isn't Job One. She doesn't like it but I am what I am.
I have to say that in my locale, that is pretty much the mind set of most of the cops I know. We are a weird bunch. I hope we never have to fight like we train. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:43:35 PM EDT
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The courts have ruled repeatedly that the police have absolutely no duty to protect individuals.
This applies to every state agency from police to CPS. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:44:45 PM EDT
[#44]
I would argue all adults in society have a general obligation to protect young children.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:55:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would argue all adults in society have a general obligation to protect young children. I'm guessing that you mean moral, not legal. |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 8:58:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't give a shit about your kids. This is what a troll is |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 9:38:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2022 9:56:45 PM EDT
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police exist to generate funds in tickets.
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Posted: 6/7/2022 10:00:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2022 10:03:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The prevailing culture in my department is in the event of a mass shooter there are no excuses. If you can't face that, go elsewhere because everyone is hiring. When you think about it that's kind of messed up but we do what we do. My wife understands there is one circumstance where coming home isn't Job One. She doesn't like it but I am what I am. I have to say that in my locale, that is pretty much the mind set of most of the cops I know. We are a weird bunch. I hope we never have to fight like we train. Not weird at all. Honorable. |
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