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Posted: 12/19/2020 1:43:24 PM EDT
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@AndBen
Is the measurement on the Clutch belt ordering page the pants size in inches or the actual length of the belt? Thanks. Any updates to your initial review? |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 2:29:39 PM EDT
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@Lungbuster
The belt is adjustable, you can tighten/loosen it up. I believe the chart is in pant size. I’m a semi-fatty and wear a 38”-40” pants. I bought the medium belt and fits fine, room to spare, even when loaded. It’s super stretchy. I think I’d rather have it a little small, than a little big. I haven’t really done much with it as far as wearing it. I need to take it to the range some time. Either way, I am very satisfied with it. It will fills a gap. |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 3:22:18 PM EDT
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Thanks Ben.
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Posted: 12/19/2020 3:59:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. PMAGs and USGI both work in rifle pouches and double stack work in pistol, but they do make 1911 pouches if that's your game. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/425212/20201219_100912-1738167.jpg And lancer mags? Cause that’s what actually matters 
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Posted: 12/19/2020 4:06:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And lancer mags? Cause that’s what actually matters Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep. PMAGs and USGI both work in rifle pouches and double stack work in pistol, but they do make 1911 pouches if that's your game. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/425212/20201219_100912-1738167.jpg And lancer mags? Cause that’s what actually matters I'm sure it's fine but idk because my only lancers are purple for daughters and gfs |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 12:00:24 AM EDT
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Still have to dial in holster/mag pouch positions and pack the med pouch but overall I'm very satisfied with how my setup turned out.
   Volund Gearworks 2" Atlas duty-belt with 1.75" Atlas G-Hook liner-belt. Safariland 6354DO Esstac triple gap KYWI Coyote Tactical Burrito Money will buy all the gucci-gear you want but it won't buy you the ability to compose and take a nice photo 
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Posted: 12/20/2020 12:36:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I didn't realize they had a tensioned stiffener in the body of the pouch. I was wondering how they kept Beretta/SIG mags in if you could also stick a Glock 9mm or even Glock 45ACP mag in it. What’s the tensioned stiffener? |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 1:14:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the tensioned stiffener? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks. I didn't realize they had a tensioned stiffener in the body of the pouch. I was wondering how they kept Beretta/SIG mags in if you could also stick a Glock 9mm or even Glock 45ACP mag in it. What’s the tensioned stiffener? A piece of kydex that is “pinched” and velcro’d to provide retention. |
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Posted: 12/26/2020 3:52:51 AM EDT
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Navy Seal talking about the evolution of his belts. Holy shit at 3:40
  Battle Belt Setups with Navy SEAL Mark "Coch" Cochiolo |
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Posted: 12/26/2020 2:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a bent plate (90*) that fastens to ubl/ qls/ safariland holster and to the tq holster. Changes the forward cant to a negative cant. @Detn8r-Red2  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CX4WQ5yf4wQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I put my tq on my pistol. (Not super tight on 7ts though) https://centrifugetraining.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1200DSC00408.jpg How did you attach that? It's a bent plate (90*) that fastens to ubl/ qls/ safariland holster and to the tq holster. Changes the forward cant to a negative cant. @Detn8r-Red2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CX4WQ5yf4w |
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Posted: 12/26/2020 2:14:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Lungbuster The belt is adjustable, you can tighten/loosen it up. I believe the chart is in pant size. I'm a semi-fatty and wear a 38"-40" pants. I bought the medium belt and fits fine, room to spare, even when loaded. It's super stretchy. I think I'd rather have it a little small, than a little big. I haven't really done much with it as far as wearing it. I need to take it to the range some time. Either way, I am very satisfied with it. It will fills a gap. I saw a Colion Noir Instagram post where he was playing basketball and wearing a Clutch. They are pretty dang awesome. |
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Posted: 12/26/2020 6:41:47 PM EDT
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now there is the trex version of the clutch.
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Posted: 12/26/2020 6:51:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: now there is the trex version of the clutch. Clutch? Like handbag? |
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Posted: 12/26/2020 7:09:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Clutch? Like handbag? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: now there is the trex version of the clutch. Clutch? Like handbag? You mean the ready rig? I just got one. It’s more of a clutch chest rig, but is pretty sweet. First impression is that if you’re a bigger dude, 46”-50” chest, it might be too small or tighter than ideal. But, I like the idea and fills a gray man void. |
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Posted: 12/26/2020 7:23:12 PM EDT
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Oh gotcha. That black belt a couple pages back
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Posted: 12/26/2020 7:35:47 PM EDT
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Trex Ready Rig (low pro chest rig)
 Vs Unity/Vertx Cluch (low pro battle belt/wrap) 
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Posted: 12/26/2020 7:42:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2020 11:38:16 PM EDT
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When I first saw this thread a few months ago, and saw how far battle belts have come and seeing the smaller, more compact belts, I knew i had to have one. I learned alot about holsters, mag carriers TQs etc. from this and the other thread in the gear section. I looked and read and watched YT vids and read reviews. I finally decided what I wanted to start with, and started ordering Dec. 1. Got the belt in today and put it together. This is how I envisioned it set up, and am very happy with it. Im certain that I will make some changes once I start wearing it and training in it.
-Blue Alpha Gear double Molle belt in Multicam. -Esstac Kywi double gap pistol and 2 mid length rifle mag holders. -NAR ROO ifak from the black Friday deal posted here. Contents are: CAT gen 7 (that tab in the front pulls up and it is in its own quick grab compartment. No digging through the kit or zipper for that) QC combat gauze, pressure bandage, 2 compact HyFin compact chest seals, pair of gloves, and shears on the back. -Ragnarok, light compatible holster. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/27/2020 8:30:50 AM EDT
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You find some neat stuff when you start poking around. Another DIY mod that you might like.
UBL hot spot modification |
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Posted: 12/27/2020 5:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just went and checked mine, I'm a 36-38 pants size and my Clutch is a medium also. I lost some weight and was able to tighten it up. Fortunately during the holidays I can loosen it a hair too. I saw a Colion Noir Instagram post where he was playing basketball and wearing a Clutch. They are pretty dang awesome. I’m going to order one as soon as my bank account recovers from Christmas. |
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Posted: 12/27/2020 7:47:37 PM EDT
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Man. My Esstac belt is very nice. Got it setup with 2 pistol mags, a 20rd ar mag, IFAK, and new holster arrives tomorrow.
I did experiment. With some of the Velcro wrap. If you don’t want to wear the Velcro inner belt, you can make a few loops around whatever belt you want. I had 4 loops around my belt. It’s not as stable as the velcro belt, but it does the trick. I will be sticking with the Velcro belt, just something to pass on. |
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Posted: 12/27/2020 7:53:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man. My Esstac belt is very nice. Got it setup with 2 pistol mags, a 20rd ar mag, IFAK, and new holster arrives tomorrow. I did experiment. With some of the Velcro wrap. If you don’t want to wear the Velcro inner belt, you can make a few loops around whatever belt you want. I had 4 loops around my belt. It’s not as stable as the velcro belt, but it does the trick. I will be sticking with the Velcro belt, just something to pass on. Esstac FTW |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 12:50:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Esstac FTW Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Man. My Esstac belt is very nice. Got it setup with 2 pistol mags, a 20rd ar mag, IFAK, and new holster arrives tomorrow. I did experiment. With some of the Velcro wrap. If you don’t want to wear the Velcro inner belt, you can make a few loops around whatever belt you want. I had 4 loops around my belt. It’s not as stable as the velcro belt, but it does the trick. I will be sticking with the Velcro belt, just something to pass on. Esstac FTW I agree, very happy about the Esstac belt choice. Double pistol gap, mid AR, and IFAK. I didn't order any, but they gave me a 2 pack of the belt clips for free and I really like them. I like that I can slide the AR mag pouch back and forth a little if needed. I did the velcro wrap on the other 2 pouches and it's not going anywhere. I got a 6390rds arriving Tuesday that someone in one of these threads mentioned was in stock at Opstactical, and a QLS kit to go with it. My M17 came Saturday, after an optic this expensive LARP setup should be done. Maybe I'll get to take it out and get it dirty soon. |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 7:16:54 PM EDT
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@96Ag
@AndBen What inserts are you using for the Clutch belt? I found a good deal on line (I think) and just ordered one. I have an old Bladtech holster that I can take the belt clip off that might work. Would a cell phone stay in place in one of the pouches while exercising/jogging without Velcro? |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 8:48:32 PM EDT
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I used random kydex items I had on hand. Slap some Velcro on them and they work fine.
I’d say no on stuff staying in place without Velcro. |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 10:45:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @96Ag @AndBen What inserts are you using for the Clutch belt? I found a good deal on line (I think) and just ordered one. I have an old Bladtech holster that I can take the belt clip off that might work. Would a cell phone stay in place in one of the pouches while exercising/jogging without Velcro? I am using the Unity elastic inserts for magazines, I'm not worried about reindexing magazines if I am in an actual shootout. For the holster I am using a Phlster Floodlight with all of the attachments taken off. It works great and I can switch pistols as long as they have a TLR-1 on them. Yes a cell phone will stay in place while jogging. Very well in fact, as well as your wallet in another. |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 10:54:32 PM EDT
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Thanks you guys. Mine’s on the way.
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Posted: 12/28/2020 11:13:38 PM EDT
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I guess it depends how tight you wrap it, if you don’t use Velcro.
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Posted: 12/28/2020 11:21:44 PM EDT
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I have one but it got heavy so I added suspenders.
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Posted: 12/29/2020 9:53:14 PM EDT
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I ordered a couple Blade Tek Tek Loks and a couple of their duty drop belt adapters.
I’m gonna try to mod them as posted above. Prob get a couple used UBLs mid rides to chop up too. SL makes a a cantable UBL as well. Cut the belt loops off trim and polish edges. Add Tek Lok. Adjust holster can’t on UBL. To be continuuuuuuiied.... |
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Posted: 12/29/2020 10:52:41 PM EDT
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I have everything but my hsgi slim grip
Santa delivered goodies from esstac via skd. 1-14 weeks to go from hsgi My trijicon hd sights are rubbing the als, grabbed a stock Glock and fits fine. Anyone have a trick to run HD’s? |
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Posted: 12/30/2020 1:37:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still have to dial in holster/mag pouch positions and pack the med pouch but overall I'm very satisfied with how my setup turned out. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/857B8EC5-5D0C-4AC6-B262-B4F7C8AF39F6-1739465.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/6CC42B22-2FF3-4FCD-86F8-5C3E3AC03DD3-1739466.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58021/E2A3A40F-5881-490C-9F79-8CE91E3134EB-1739468.jpg Volund Gearworks 2" Atlas duty-belt with 1.75" Atlas G-Hook liner-belt. Safariland 6354DO Esstac triple gap KYWI Coyote Tactical Burrito Money will buy all the gucci-gear you want but it won't buy you the ability to compose and take a nice photo That's very close to what I want. I want something sleek with minimal stuff hanging from it. Like yours, I want it to hold a pistol, pistol mags, and (extra) med kit. My plate carrier holds my rifle mags, primary med kit, multitool, and flashlight. |
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Posted: 12/30/2020 2:57:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have everything but my hsgi slim grip Santa delivered goodies from esstac via skd. 1-14 weeks to go from hsgi My trijicon hd sights are rubbing the als, grabbed a stock Glock and fits fine. Anyone have a trick to run HD’s? It will stop eventually |
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Posted: 12/30/2020 7:39:11 PM EDT
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Ordered my Esstac belt and pouches, but they shipped USPS Priority so hopefully it will be here by February.
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Posted: 12/31/2020 6:45:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ordered my Esstac belt and pouches, but they shipped USPS Priority so hopefully it will be here by February. 
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Posted: 12/31/2020 6:51:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/1/2021 12:34:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: UPS is saying 5 days to ship me a package thats 2hrs by car from my house. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ordered my Esstac belt and pouches, but they shipped USPS Priority so hopefully it will be here by February. |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 12:49:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have everything but my hsgi slim grip Santa delivered goodies from esstac via skd. 1-14 weeks to go from hsgi My trijicon hd sights are rubbing the als, grabbed a stock Glock and fits fine. Anyone have a trick to run HD’s? I'm waiting on an HSGI micro grip panel to line an Esstac Shooter's belt. We'll see how the combo works out. Esstac belt is great, but I don't like having to have the velcro liner on. I've run HD's on multiple guns in multiple ALS holsters (including duty set-up) and have never had a problem, nor have I ever heard of such a problem, so can't help there. |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 3:42:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost finished with mine... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20201231_170837870__2__jpg-1757274.JPG What cowl is that for the p10-c(?) /light(?) Looking good (from my untrained eye) Haven’t been following very closely, what are planning to add? |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 11:36:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What cowl is that for the p10-c(?) /light(?) Looking good (from my untrained eye) Haven’t been following very closely, what are planning to add? @Er_Mah_Gerd Safariland 6390RDS-2832 (for a Glock 19/45 with a X300A/B and optic). While testing fitment with a Glock 45, I also noticed that it also works well with a Streamlight TLR-7A.  Attached FileMany users report that a P-10C with a X300U A/B fits like a glove but that combo hangs up on me when I try it. I'm sure some light work with a file would get it working. That said, I run a TLR-7A on my red dot equipped P-10C and the pistol fits 100% in the Safariland. As for what the belt still needs: I'm on the hunt for a blow-out pouch that sits horizontally and can be accessed from both sides. Something like the BFG Micro Trauma Kit NOW! Also looking for a different dump pouch and glove/earpro retention. |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 11:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Er_Mah_Gerd Safariland 6390RDS-2832 (for a Glock 19/45 with a X300A/B and optic). While testing fitment with a Glock 45, I also noticed that it also works well with a Streamlight TLR-7A. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20201231_160308847_jpg-1758492.JPG Many users report that a P-10C with a X300U A/B fits like a glove but that combo hangs up on me when I try it. I'm sure some light work with a file would get it working. That said, I run a TLR-7A on my red dot equipped P-10C and the pistol fits 100% in the Safariland. As for what the belt still needs: I'm on the hunt for a blow-out pouch that sits horizontally and can be accessed from both sides. Something like the BFG Micro Trauma Kit NOW! Also looking for a different dump pouch and glove/earpro retention. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What cowl is that for the p10-c(?) /light(?) Looking good (from my untrained eye) Haven’t been following very closely, what are planning to add? @Er_Mah_Gerd Safariland 6390RDS-2832 (for a Glock 19/45 with a X300A/B and optic). While testing fitment with a Glock 45, I also noticed that it also works well with a Streamlight TLR-7A. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20201231_160308847_jpg-1758492.JPG Many users report that a P-10C with a X300U A/B fits like a glove but that combo hangs up on me when I try it. I'm sure some light work with a file would get it working. That said, I run a TLR-7A on my red dot equipped P-10C and the pistol fits 100% in the Safariland. As for what the belt still needs: I'm on the hunt for a blow-out pouch that sits horizontally and can be accessed from both sides. Something like the BFG Micro Trauma Kit NOW! Also looking for a different dump pouch and glove/earpro retention. I need a 7ts w/ trl hl. Have heard some about others fitting but not sure if I want to take that plunge. Safariland stated they will make a 7ts for the p10c w/light at some point. (Probably forever) I would love to carry my p10c vs my G20 For anyone wondering if the nub mod is worth it, I haven’t had 1 hangup since installing it. Safariland should have it built in to all holsters. (Maybe not as large but larger than what it is now.) Anyone have a fix for using the QLS but not having the gun stick out a mile farther than with just the ubl?? Possibly ubl with qls?? Feel like wild wild west with the shit hanging off the side. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:07:24 PM EDT
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Who can help me set up this IFAK for my belt. This is all that I have besides a TQ. What all should I use and what should I sub in/out? And lastly, how the hell do I attach the stuff inside to this thing? knot the bungee underneath and tension it with the slider?
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:04:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who can help me set up this IFAK for my belt. This is all that I have besides a TQ. What all should I use and what should I sub in/out? And lastly, how the hell do I attach the stuff inside to this thing? knot the bungee underneath and tension it with the slider? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/130996/134183362_725026868430650_77351522356897-1762897.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/130996/134347909_1739081706295819_7692861791906-1762898.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/130996/134946187_163090071819417_18574173944591-1762899.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/130996/135427350_671934710142434_15538266738380-1762900.JPG I'd just attach your ROO to the belt as is. If you run the molle straps through all the webbing on the back of the pouch you'll end up with a nice belt loop at the top. You just use that elastic behind the pouch for shears if you want. See acegunner's pic above to see how it hangs on the belt. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 7:08:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who can help me set up this IFAK for my belt. This is all that I have besides a TQ. What all should I use and what should I sub in/out? And lastly, how the hell do I attach the stuff inside to this thing? knot the bungee underneath and tension it with the slider? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/130996/134183362_725026868430650_77351522356897-1762897.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/130996/134347909_1739081706295819_7692861791906-1762898.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/130996/134946187_163090071819417_18574173944591-1762899.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/130996/135427350_671934710142434_15538266738380-1762900.JPG Is that a NAR Roo ? Lace the bungees as needed and cut to length id guess? Ordered my roo. I’ll be building it soon I just received my Blade Tek Tek Loks and drop panels. Gonna start playing with them once my house empties out of visiting family. Eta I just messed with the Blade Tech panel. The holes don’t line up properly at all with the SL holster. Lesson learned. You’d think there would be some commonality. Eta2 Pics of drop panel  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 7:17:17 PM EDT
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Thinking of putting one together also. If the whole concept is meant for grabbing quickly and throwing it on when things go bump in the night what is the purpose of having an inner and outer belt? To add in keeping it in position I am assuming? Would you then have to put the inner belt on and then attach the outer belt velcro to the inner? Seems self defeating of the purpose.
What am I missing or misunderstanding? |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 7:19:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2021 7:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thinking of putting one together also. If the whole concept is meant for grabbing quickly and throwing it on when things go bump in the night what is the purpose of having an inner and outer belt? To add in keeping it in position I am assuming? Would you then have to put the inner belt on and then attach the outer belt velcro to the inner? Seems self defeating of the purpose. What am I missing or misunderstanding? My belt is plenty stiff without its inner belt, and its hook lining does a pretty decent job of keeping it in place on top of whatever you have on. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 7:54:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thinking of putting one together also. If the whole concept is meant for grabbing quickly and throwing it on when things go bump in the night what is the purpose of having an inner and outer belt? To add in keeping it in position I am assuming? Would you then have to put the inner belt on and then attach the outer belt velcro to the inner? Seems self defeating of the purpose. What am I missing or misunderstanding? If you want a grab and go rig then build one as such. The 2 belt setup is great if you want a class or comp rig. As soon as you need it in your flannel pants at 0300 or over a winter coat they aren't very good. They can be used but not as well as a padded belt. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 8:05:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thinking of putting one together also. If the whole concept is meant for grabbing quickly and throwing it on when things go bump in the night what is the purpose of having an inner and outer belt? To add in keeping it in position I am assuming? Would you then have to put the inner belt on and then attach the outer belt velcro to the inner? Seems self defeating of the purpose. What am I missing or misunderstanding? I have a two piece Blue Alpha Gear Belt on order. No experience with the below link, but my understanding is that it should work for a quick "throw on" type scenario. Planning on ordering it and seeing how it works: https://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/95MG-95MG.html |
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