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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:00:23 PM EST
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Awhile back the Guitologist did some videos at Steve Wilson's studio in Louisville. Wilson was the amp tech for Stevie Ray Vaughn during the last few years of his life. Wilson's studio was packed with various flavors of amps and speaker cabinets.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 8:29:35 PM EST
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Posted: 5/4/2024 10:51:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: Seen this on facebook just now and thought I’d share  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53155/IMG_5546_jpeg-3204116.JPG 
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Posted: 5/31/2024 12:49:41 PM EST
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2024 6:06:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thejokker: Uhh... Maybe not... A lot of the biggest Guitar "legends" use Fractal Audio modelers both for live gigs and recording. Steve Vai, John Mayer, Metallica, Neal Schon, Steve Stevens, Joe Satriani, etc, all use Fractal Audio both for touring and recording. Just saw satriani and Vai together. They’ve used modelers before but Joe used his jvm with miked 4x12 and pedalboard. Vai used synergy rack modules into axefx for effects then to front of house. |
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Posted: 5/31/2024 6:23:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cytotox: Just saw satriani and Vai together. They’ve used modelers before but Joe used his jvm with miked 4x12 and pedalboard. Vai used synergy rack modules into axefx for effects then to front of house. Yeah I didn’t think Satriani would give up his JVM’s. I kmow I wont give mine up. Tone is pretty subjective. I think many of the people that have went to emulators have done so more out of convenience than anything. Does it matter much? That I don’t know. Only thing I use like that is the Mustang Micro I just got and that thing sounds great! But that’s through headphones. I would venture to say that the argument about pushing air is not as big a deal because the sound of an emulator is still going through speakers but I wouldn’t know for sure. I almost bought a Boss GX-100 and a Headrush speaker to try out and I might still do it. Reviews on YouTube are pretty positive and they sound pretty good at least over the videos. |
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Posted: 6/1/2024 10:08:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By high_order1: Film cameras are dead.  Try again. |
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Posted: 6/2/2024 12:56:50 PM EST
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I was weak and just snagged a new 1960A.
I just barely missed the boat on QSC's K12.2 powered cab sale ($100 off each) so I decided to grab one of these instead. It'll be a nice upgrade from the shitty Line6 Spider 4x12 I'm currently using. I'll probably ebay the seventy 80s in it and sledgehammer the cab. I doubt anyone is going to want to buy it. Wonder how long Marshall is going to continue the discounts? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2024 11:02:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: I was weak and just snagged a new 1960A. I just barely missed the boat on QSC's K12.2 powered cab sale ($100 off each) so I decided to grab one of these instead. It'll be a nice upgrade from the shitty Line6 Spider 4x12 I'm currently using. I'll probably ebay the seventy 80s in it and sledgehammer the cab. I doubt anyone is going to want to buy it. Wonder how long Marshall is going to continue the discounts? $100 off on QSC isnt really much of a sale for what that shit costs, but I will say they are worth every penny they charge. My son-in-law runs 4 K12's, 2 K10's, and 4 KS118 subs for the band. Thats shit makes quick work of outdor gigs. Its a very versatile system. He can do solos in the corner of a resteraunt with a single K10, or just DJ with a couple K12 sitting on a couple KS118's |
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Posted: 6/2/2024 11:55:33 PM EST
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Op,
Really depends on the venue. I currently use one of these setups for live gigs: -20watt combo Marshall JCM 800 -100watt Orange Rockerverb with a 4x12 (or a 2x12) - 50 watt JCM 800 with a 4x12 (or a 2x12) If it’s a bigger venue I really like the 4x12. Really like having control over stage volume and the tone I get. If it’s a smaller bar, will use the combo. However, I’ve been disappointed at stage volume a number of times so have been leaning to the 2x12 with the Marshall or Orange. I’d be willing to try using modeling alone, but would need to be in a venue with a good PA and stage monitors. 4x12 is a bitch to move so 2x12 has strength there and it’s pretty light and mine has wheels. |
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Posted: 6/6/2024 6:56:14 PM EST
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Just came in yesterday. Thing weighs a ton! Definitely not MDF. It was in surprisingly good shape. Sounds great with my Yeti head.
I STOLE this cab for $150!  Attached File |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/8/2024 10:42:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: LongTrang]
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I still want a WEM Starfinder with 4 12” crescendos. They are beyond my price range. Hi-Tone makes a good copy.
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Posted: 6/18/2024 5:15:54 AM EST
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No, you don't need them. But want and need are two very different things. And my guitar room has 6 of them and I have 2 at my Drummer's house. I like them
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Posted: 6/18/2024 8:51:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By just-mike: Just came in yesterday. Thing weighs a ton! Definitely not MDF. It was in surprisingly good shape. Sounds great with my Yeti head. I STOLE this cab for $150! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43974/0605242050_jpg-3234286.JPG Yes you did! My X-100B would look/sound great on that cab!  Enjoy it, you got a great deal! |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 11:00:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thejokker: No... The very top tier of Guitarists are beyond economic reasons. They can afford the best both for live recording and performing. Given money is not an object they have chosen modeling for live and recording. It's a free country and if you prefer the old fashion way than you are free to indulge yourself. I'm saying it is no longer superior and the very best guitarists seem to agree with me... Economics does not only refer to money. Again, you don't understand my position because you are being myopic, or perhaps deliberately obtuse. Regardless, you stuck to your bad point long enough that one of your heroes answered our mutual question: @14:15  POLYPHIA's Tim Henson and Scott LePage on Pickups, Tube Amps, Modellers and Writing Music So it seems like 4x12s are here to stay even for guitar gods with money. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 10:52:48 PM EST
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You don't even need amplifiers anymore.
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Posted: 7/4/2024 4:14:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeS369: You don't even need amplifiers anymore. Yes, you do. I'm assuming you meant to say you don't need a collection of different tube amps to get different sounds anymore, which is true. However "LOUD" requires an amplifier of some sort, and a speaker of some sort to project that "LOUD". |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 4:26:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By just-mike: Yes, you do. I'm assuming you meant to say you don't need a collection of different tube amps to get different sounds anymore, which is true. However "LOUD" requires an amplifier of some sort, and a speaker of some sort to project that "LOUD". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By just-mike: Originally Posted By MikeS369: You don't even need amplifiers anymore. Yes, you do. I'm assuming you meant to say you don't need a collection of different tube amps to get different sounds anymore, which is true. However "LOUD" requires an amplifier of some sort, and a speaker of some sort to project that "LOUD". This seems like it’s gonna turn into a semantics type thing but no you don’t need what is traditionally considered an amp anymore unless you’re counting the preamp settings in the modelers or the power speaker as the amp. You can get something like a Boss GX100 or a Line 6 Helix and plug the board straight into a PA or power speaker and play. Yes the boards act as a preamp and whatever but point is you don’t need an “amp” in the traditional sense at all. And they get plenty loud. This is what I take what he is saying as meaning. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 5:14:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: networkguru]
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Here's my take as a sound man and guitar player.
If you really want a tube amp... You want to drive the tubes hard to get good sonic characteristics. Good sustain and feedback if desired. Most gigging musicians play in small venues. Running a JCM800/900 and 4-12 cabinet is fucking loud. So loud its not worth mic'ing you and most likely way over the systems gain before feedback. I always recommended to guitar players to get a small tube amp. Less than 30 watts. Preferably 15. Then you can drive it hard, mic it and not blow out the crowd and soundsystem. When we recorded we ran whatever. Once placed a 4x12 cabinet in a minivan and mic'd so guitar player could get his tone and I could get isolation. Never had a dedicated isolating booth. As far as DI emulation/simulation modeling etc. Its all just a fucking tone. Get it anyway you want. Digital, Analog, multi whatever. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 11:06:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By just-mike: Yes, you do. I'm assuming you meant to say you don't need a collection of different tube amps to get different sounds anymore, which is true. However "LOUD" requires an amplifier of some sort, and a speaker of some sort to project that "LOUD". Of course that's what I meant. Guess I should have said guitar amp. |
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Posted: 7/14/2024 2:45:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeS369: Of course that's what I meant. Guess I should have said guitar amp. Let it never be said that I'm not dense. |
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Posted: 8/16/2024 9:38:29 PM EST
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Saw something on youtube about Metallica going to amp sims (Axe-FX) and using a single 4x12 cab.
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Posted: 8/25/2024 11:45:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeS369: Saw something on youtube about Metallica going to amp sims (Axe-FX) and using a single 4x12 cab. They've been using Fractal stiff for quire awhile. I think that's what led to their current stage design. If there's no need for amps on the stage, there's no need to have all of the audience in one place. |
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