[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Do not like the range (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/24/2009 11:00:37 PM EDT
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So I finally got to take my brand new AR to the range...I was disappointed with my accuracy...My brother and I basicly shot 5" at 50 yds but it was a cold weapon...it had never been zeroed or fired b4...and I haven't fired with irons since 1999...I'm sure that after 3 or 4 more trips I'll be better...but the real reason for this post is bcuz I REALLY hate going to the range...first of all...WTF!?!?!...the Mosin-Nagant is a fking CANNON...the guy on my left was firing one...and that sonavabitch was shooting a 4 foot fireball and sounded like a howitzer...to make it worse...the guy on my right was firing an M1A...crap! it was annoying...once I started shooting it was not a problem but standing between those two monsters was unsane!!!...I wish I didn't have to go to the range...zeroing is impossible because the sessions are 15 minutes each and I don't have a spotting scope...so I really can't see where my rounds are landing and I don't want to spend four hours just trying to zero my weapon...
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What type of AR ( A2,A3 BUIS etc) Were you shooting from a rest, prone standing etc. Wait till you're at the range a someone shows up with a M107 without you knowing. The phrase shit scared out of you is an understatement  Anvil Arms lower with a BCM 16" ML upper, GGG A2 Spring Actuated BUIS, firing from a seated position. |
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You went to a range and there were other people shooting mean ol guns. What a horrible life you must suffer through. Oh the humanity. Please, mommy, make the bad man stop! Man, what a lame rant. Ahh crap....this did nto go how I planned...come to think of it I really didn't have a plan...fukitall |
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You went to a range and there were other people shooting mean ol guns. What a horrible life you must suffer through. Oh the humanity. Please, mommy, make the bad man stop! Man, what a lame rant. Ahh crap....this did nto go how I planned...come to think of it I really didn't have a plan...fukitall You clearly haven't read enough threads here. You're complaining about guns being loud, what did you expect? |
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What type of AR ( A2,A3 BUIS etc) Were you shooting from a rest, prone standing etc. Wait till you're at the range a someone shows up with a M107 without you knowing. The phrase shit scared out of you is an understatement Anvil Arms lower with a BCM 16" ML upper, GGG A2 Spring Actuated BUIS, firing from a seated position. Search for improved battle sight zero or 25yd battle sight zero. This may get you in the right direction. I would use a ammo can or sandbag as a rifle rest during the zero process, then anything after that, its you being off not the rifle. BTW in GD thick skin you must have young padawan |
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Quoted: So I finally got to take my brand new AR to the range...I was disappointed with my accuracy...My brother and I basicly shot 5" at 50 yds but it was a cold weapon...it had never been zeroed or fired b4...and I haven't fired with irons since 1999...I'm sure that after 3 or 4 more trips I'll be better...but the real reason for this post is bcuz I REALLY hate going to the range...first of all...WTF!?!?!...the Mosin-Nagant is a fking CANNON...the guy on my left was firing one...and that sonavabitch was shooting a 4 foot fireball and sounded like a howitzer...to make it worse...the guy on my right was firing an M1A...crap! it was annoying...once I started shooting it was not a problem but standing between those two monsters was unsane!!!...I wish I didn't have to go to the range...zeroing is impossible because the sessions are 15 minutes each and I don't have a spotting scope...so I really can't see where my rounds are landing and I don't want to spend four hours just trying to zero my weapon... wow. hope someone never touches off some REAL big guns around you, if you think .308 is annoying... heh, .300RUM or .338LM will ring your bell  personally, I LOVE gunfire. sounds like win. |
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OP, several words of advice.
1. Pick lull times to go to the range, like during weekday work hours. Avoid, obviously, holidays and Saturdays. 2. Bring good ear protection. Good doesn't mean expensive, just good. $10, large, ear protectors will work well. Small ones won't, because they compromise effectiveness for compactness. If the noise still bugs you, wear earplugs under the protectors. That's called double plugging, and it works great. 3. Buy a $10 pair of 8x compact binoculars from walmart or a sporting goods store. Not 4x, but 8x. Rest them on a sandbag or something if you need to, but they'll easily pick out the holes at 50 yards. 4. Focus less on getting the rounds to hit the point of aim, and more on making sure they hit near one another. Use the small aperture when starting out, as it is inherently more accurate. Once you've established that you and your weapon are capable of making small groups, then work on zeroing the sights so that the groups are actually on the point of aim. Doing the latter before you're able to shoot a small group at all is a waste of time. 5. Bring along a sandbag or beanbag or anything similar, if the range doesn't provide any, to use as a rifle rest. Never zero from a non-bench rest stance if you can avoid it. An old sock filled with dirt can work just fine. Don't lose sleep over the range trip. Improvise, adapt, and overcome. ETA: I notice your later comment about never wearing ear protectors. That is a mistake. They're not designed to look cool, they're designed to provide a VITAL function. Anyone who goes to a range without hearing protection is endangering themselves and damaging the experience of everyone around them, who then has to worry about limiting their fire so as not to further injure that idiot newbie. WEAR HEARING PROTECTION ON THE RANGE, EVEN IF IT DOES SCREW UP YOUR CHEEK WELD. |
Thicker skin! Get some. 
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What type of AR ( A2,A3 BUIS etc) Were you shooting from a rest, prone standing etc. Wait till you're at the range a someone shows up with a M107 without you knowing. The phrase shit scared out of you is an understatement Anvil Arms lower with a BCM 16" ML upper, GGG A2 Spring Actuated BUIS, firing from a seated position. Search for improved battle sight zero or 25yd battle sight zero. This may get you in the right direction. I would use a ammo can or sandbag as a rifle rest during the zero process, then anything after that, its you being off not the rifle. BTW in GD thick skin you must have young padawan first thank you... and I'm alright with the ribbing...I love this place.... |
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ETA: I notice your later comment about never wearing ear protectors. That is a mistake. They're not designed to look cool, they're designed to provide a VITAL function. Anyone who goes to a range without hearing protection is endangering themselves and damaging the experience of everyone around them, who then has to worry about limiting their fire so as not to further injure that idiot newbie. WEAR HEARING PROTECTION ON THE RANGE, EVEN IF IT DOES SCREW UP YOUR CHEEK WELD. of course you're right...I just haven't become accustomed to them yet... |
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There is so many things not right on your shooting of the AR to diagnose.
Do you shoot like shit on every other firearm? If no, then find the cure. Noise is noise. Try and deal with it or shoot in your best circumstances. Focus on form, support, weapon, and then ammo. Try different ammo. Try different sights that work with YOU. Adjust your shooting form to a propper one. Is your trigger shit? Many things to find a fix on with a short post you provided. Once you try and go through these then you will gain practice on this weapon and find the cure. Try reloading mabey. Some weapons love a particular load. If you were shooting Wolf then your group you shot was good for that ammo. Tune a load for your weapon platform. |
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There is so many things not right on your shooting of the AR to diagnose. Do you shoot like shit on every other firearm? If no, then find the cure. Noise is noise. Try and deal with it or shoot in your best circumstances. Focus on form, support, weapon, and then ammo. Try different ammo. Try different sights that work with YOU. Adjust your shooting form to a propper one. Is your trigger shit? Many things to find a fix on with a short post you provided. Once you try and go through these then you will gain practice on this weapon and find the cure. Try reloading mabey. Some weapons love a particular load. If you were shooting Wolf then your group you shot was good for that ammo. Tune a load for your weapon platform. I was shoting Remington UMC 55 gr 223 from BPS yes I suk at the shooting I was an expert on the SAW but barely a marksman at the M16...I need lots of practice... |
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I doubt 10 MOA is an ammo problem.
Three other tips, OP, for improving your aim. 1. Focus on your breathing. http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2009/01/basic-rifle-marksmanship-series-part.html It will help. 2. Dry fire at home. Make triply sure that your weapon is safe, then take up a rest position where you can aim at something tiny several hundred yards away, out a window. Anything inside your house or apartment will be way too close to be useful from a rest. This is an excellent way to practice control of your breathing. 3. When taking your sight picture, keep your eye focused on the front sight, not on the target. You'll eventually want to unlearn this for close-in shooting, but it's vital for bench rest shooting, which is vital for zeroing, which itself is vital for close-in shooting. (And, again, make sure you're on the small aperture.) (And you can hit the escape key to stop the distracting animation in the dickhead's post under this one.) |
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I doubt 10 MOA is an ammo problem. Three other tips, OP, for improving your aim. 1. Focus on your breathing. http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2009/01/basic-rifle-marksmanship-series-part.html It will help. 2. Dry fire at home. Make triply sure that your weapon is safe, then take up a rest position where you can aim at something tiny several hundred yards away, out a window. Anything inside your house or apartment will be way too close to be useful from a rest. This is an excellent way to practice control of your breathing. 3. When taking your sight picture, keep your eye focused on the front sight, not on the target. You'll eventually want to unlearn this for close-in shooting, but it's vital for bench rest shooting, which is vital for zeroing, which itself is vital for close-in shooting. (And, again, make sure you're on the small aperture.) (And you can hit the escape key to stop the distracting animation in the dickhead's post under this one.) thank you |
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The worst experience I had with noise was with a FAL on one side and an AR15 on the other, both with muzzle brakes.
The AR15 had one of those Mini Y COMP bastards.
I had on plugs and muffs, and my ears were still ringing. But I didn't bitch like a little girl. 
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So you are a rookie marksman and loud noises hurt your sensibilities....check.
Now that I am done ribbing you here is something I cooked up for people just like you...minus the whole sandy mangina thing. Berzerker77's guide for beginning shooters. |
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1=wear earplugs under ear muffs. 2=It should not take long to zero at 50 1=i've never tried ear muffs andi probably never will 2=yeah no sht...but i suk at the shooting uhhhh By never wearing ear muffs, do you mean you were wearing ear plugs or that you weren't using hearing protection? |
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Women designed, mangina approved. |
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Soooooo you were in the .mil, where you were surrounded by HMGs, artillery, and presumably other loud kabooms, but a Nagant and a .308 are too much  OP didn't provide his MOS, or even state which branch. My father, for example, was in the Coast Guard for 28 years and retired as a Chief Petty Officer in 2005. He never fired a weapon during his time in the military. He told me that he had a hand infection when it came time to qualify in boot camp, so he wasn't made to qualify (this was in 1977). Back then, the rifles in service with the Coast Guard were original M16's (not A1's). Just having been in the .mil does NOT a shooter make ! FWIW, the loudest firearms I've ever been exposed to were rifles in calibers like .30-'06, .338 Win Mag and 7mm Rem Mag, and shotguns in 12 gauge. Anything lesser just doesn't compare, IMO. Even with relatively loud firearms, I don't find the noise to be too bothersome with proper hearing protection (plugs AND muffs). |
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Soooooo you were in the .mil, where you were surrounded by HMGs, artillery, and presumably other loud kabooms, but a Nagant and a .308 are too much OP didn't provide his MOS, or even state which branch. My father, for example, was in the Coast Guard for 28 years and retired as a Chief Petty Officer in 2005. He never fired a weapon during his time in the military. He told me that he had a hand infection when it came time to qualify in boot camp, so he wasn't made to qualify (this was in 1977). Back then, the rifles in service with the Coast Guard were original M16's (not A1's). Just having been in the .mil does NOT a shooter make ! FWIW, the loudest firearms I've ever been exposed to were rifles in calibers like .30-'06, .338 Win Mag and 7mm Rem Mag, and shotguns in 12 gauge. Anything lesser just doesn't compare, IMO. Even with relatively loud firearms, I don't find the noise to be too bothersome with proper hearing protection (plugs AND muffs). No, but he did say that he qualified expert with M240s... |
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There is so many things not right on your shooting of the AR to diagnose. Do you shoot like shit on every other firearm? If no, then find the cure. Noise is noise. Try and deal with it or shoot in your best circumstances. Focus on form, support, weapon, and then ammo. Try different ammo. Try different sights that work with YOU. Adjust your shooting form to a propper one. Is your trigger shit? Many things to find a fix on with a short post you provided. Once you try and go through these then you will gain practice on this weapon and find the cure. Try reloading mabey. Some weapons love a particular load. If you were shooting Wolf then your group you shot was good for that ammo. Tune a load for your weapon platform. I was shoting Remington UMC 55 gr 223 from BPS yes I suk at the shooting I was an expert on the SAW but barely a marksman at the M16...I need lots of practice... Shooting an MG and a semi auto are 2 different things. The SAW being an infantry squad level T/O item is not on the par of shooting accuratley I was a machine gunner, and yet we still had to do MG quals where you were graded on your first burst and how to negotiate the course on the T&E. Then you move to division comps where the slightest mistake takes you out of the running Shooting that dont make you super ninja on shooting a semi auto. I dont know your branch of service but if you did the USMC it would have been the barrel practices that locked you in to form. Judging from your post in an earlier one, perhaps you need to work on marksmanship? There are plenty of forums here and abroad that cover that necessary skill. Please dont take this as a flame in any way. There is fundementials that need to be achieved in order to help in such circumstance. You might be almost there but not utelizing something that you are missing. Are you shooting unsupported? Are you using a sling? are you consistant on the trigger? Are you using natural body adjustments right? Are you musceling the rufle to the target? Are you not liiking at the front sight post and having a blurry target? I am sure you have got the jist of it. There is online manuals here in the reference section of .mil shooting and such. Once you read them and apply them you will find yourself hitting other sights that extracth the gnats arse in primer selection and the best way to judge winds and such and the hollywood coreallis effect LOL. My guess is you are using muscle to pull the weapon on target instead of body allignment or you havent figured out the trigger as it might be a tad gritty and throwing off your consistancy. Nothing major. Pull the trigger assembly apart and do a thourough CLP and toothbrush treatment to it. Or get a 2 stage trgger from RRA or Knights. And if all else fails, I will trade you straight up that AR for a pre ban Ruger 10/22 with 2 steel lip mags. To sweeten the deal, I will have provide the ammo to load said mags 
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