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Posted: 6/30/2020 4:20:18 PM EST
[#1]
til the fusion sport exists
with a tune that would not be a bad sleeper |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 4:22:53 PM EST
[#2]
They are going to do a relaunch with a Grand Caravan SRT.
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Posted: 6/30/2020 4:26:24 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one cares  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have always liked the fact that dodge has brazenly and consistently advertised the horsepower side of their product line in nationwide ads since the advent of the new challenger and charger. Ford and Chevy you barely hear a peep if anything at all. What other selling point does Dodge have to work with? The cars look cool and sound cool, but horsepower is the only quantifiable thing they have going for them. Their cars are so big and heavy that they need a lot of horsepower. My Fusion Sport will outrun an RT Charger. No one cares Likely.
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Posted: 6/30/2020 4:27:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: til the fusion sport exists with a tune that would not be a bad sleeper IIRC they’ll run 12.6 with a 93 tune. Lighten it up a bit and maybe knock another tenth off. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 4:49:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @cajunmojo Ain’t that the truth What funny is that for the past 6 years or so A driver 2006 coupe, 35,000 plus miles, has been about $45-50,000. If they don’t come out with a new viper that’s gonna push up fast Gen V had the lowest production numbers of all of them, so I don't see prices dropping anytime soon. 2017's were pretty much all GTC and ACRs, so their prices are way up there. There aren't many "affordable" Gen Vs out there. I have my doubts that they will continue the Viper, but if so, It will likely by a slight HP improvement copy of the Gen V. Like I said, I hope so. I'd like to see Gen V prices drop. If they do, they need to step up their marketing. The marketing for the Gen V seemed nonexistent compared to Hellcat marketing. The best marketing was done after production had ceased and not by Dodge.  Pennzoil The Last Viper |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:00:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the one hand I would say that's exactly why I like them. On the other hand, I would say you're wrong. While they do have an entire line of toys, they have very logical vehicles. They just don't stand out, as a feature. My wife's Jeep Cherokee is the most practical and useful vehicle we've owned. Can be driven across our farm, gets 10 more mpg than our 4Runner got, has a better power to weight ratio, drives better, honestly it's better by every logical measure. My Ram gets 300 more miles to a tank than my Tundra got, 8 more mpg, doesn't rattle like a tin can, can pull absolutely anything I would ever need pulling, and has the easiest to use controls of any vehicle I've owned. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have always liked the fact that dodge has brazenly and consistently advertised the horsepower side of their product line in nationwide ads since the advent of the new challenger and charger. Ford and Chevy you barely hear a peep if anything at all. What other selling point does Dodge have to work with? The cars look cool and sound cool, but horsepower is the only quantifiable thing they have going for them. Solid infotainment systems, excellent ZF transmissions, RWD based vehicles in a sea of FWD everything , continuous product development, extended factory warranties. These were all factors when I bought my Durango, in addition to the horsepower thing. FCA also has one of the best color palettes in the industry, too. But neither that nor most of the stuff you mentioned is really quantifiable. And that's the thing about FCA's product portfolio... Their best products are bought because they're fun, cool, or adventurous. It's emotions, not logic. Math and logic doesn't really support choosing most, if any, FCA products. On the one hand I would say that's exactly why I like them. On the other hand, I would say you're wrong. While they do have an entire line of toys, they have very logical vehicles. They just don't stand out, as a feature. My wife's Jeep Cherokee is the most practical and useful vehicle we've owned. Can be driven across our farm, gets 10 more mpg than our 4Runner got, has a better power to weight ratio, drives better, honestly it's better by every logical measure. My Ram gets 300 more miles to a tank than my Tundra got, 8 more mpg, doesn't rattle like a tin can, can pull absolutely anything I would ever need pulling, and has the easiest to use controls of any vehicle I've owned. The Cherokee isn't in the same segment as the 4Runner. It competes against the RAV4, CR-V, Forester, and CX5. Those vehicles tend to have better metrics and a long term outlook. The Tundra isn't exactly a great comparison either as Toyota has basically left it to rot for 13 years. Compare the Ram 1500 to the Silverado or F-150 and you get a better idea of what I'm talking about. The Silverado and F-150 are better with the quantifiable stuff like payload, towing, efficiency, etc. The Ram isn't the most capable or most efficient, but it's very clearly the best half ton to spend time in/with thanks to its interior and suspension. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:06:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should bring back the viper Only Dodge car ever that doesn't look like shit. There are a lot of beautiful current and classic cars all over my city of 100K, but I see more of the fugly Chargers/Challengers than any other sports/muscle car. I don't get it. I see way too many 'Stangs as well, but at least they look good. My son worked at a Dodge dealership and has driven the Hellcat and Demon and vouches for how badass they are. And of that, I have no doubt. But that body style still looks like shit, even if the motor is awesome. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:08:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't be too surprised if they did something with the Wrangler or Gladiator jeeps. The Grand Cherokee SRT and Trackhawk are both awesome vehicles. give me a v8 (doesnt have to be the biggest one either) in a wrangler rubicon and make my day.. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:12:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hellcat Raptor clone. here toy go (with helephant motor).. 
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:15:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: here toy go (with helephant motor).. https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/q39Ev/s1/1968-dodge-charger-hellephant.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hellcat Raptor clone. here toy go (with helephant motor).. https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/q39Ev/s1/1968-dodge-charger-hellephant.jpg 
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:24:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is your car stock? I’m pretty sure with a bit of work the Sport is faster than the Scat pack, granted if you did similar mods then it wouldn’t be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Is your car stock? I’m pretty sure with a bit of work the Sport is faster than the Scat pack, granted if you did similar mods then it wouldn’t be. I doubt it. A Scat Pack is 485 hp so you'd have to do a lot of work to a Fusion Sport to get it close to a Scat Pack. Quoted: IIRC they’ll run 12.6 with a 93 tune. Lighten it up a bit and maybe knock another tenth off. Not bad for the Fusion Sport with a tune. In the 1/4 a Scat Pack will do an 11.9 stock and here, and with good, sticky tires they'll do an 11.7. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:38:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ram has been teasing the TRX this week on IG. Also I'm readily awaiting the Hellcat Durango. Spy photos on the test track popped up early this year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Could it be related to the Ram TRX? It's not Dodge, but supposedly has the 6.2 SC'd V8 from the Hellcat And Ram does need a bigger gas V8 to compete with Ford's new 7.3 gas V8 Ram has been teasing the TRX this week on IG. Also I'm readily awaiting the Hellcat Durango. Spy photos on the test track popped up early this year. I'm predicting some messy and fatal accidents in the near future. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 6:40:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Cherokee isn't in the same segment as the 4Runner. It competes against the RAV4, CR-V, Forester, and CX5. Those vehicles tend to have better metrics and a long term outlook. The Tundra isn't exactly a great comparison either as Toyota has basically left it to rot for 13 years. Compare the Ram 1500 to the Silverado or F-150 and you get a better idea of what I'm talking about. The Silverado and F-150 are better with the quantifiable stuff like payload, towing, efficiency, etc. The Ram isn't the most capable or most efficient, but it's very clearly the best half ton to spend time in/with thanks to its interior and suspension. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have always liked the fact that dodge has brazenly and consistently advertised the horsepower side of their product line in nationwide ads since the advent of the new challenger and charger. Ford and Chevy you barely hear a peep if anything at all. What other selling point does Dodge have to work with? The cars look cool and sound cool, but horsepower is the only quantifiable thing they have going for them. Solid infotainment systems, excellent ZF transmissions, RWD based vehicles in a sea of FWD everything , continuous product development, extended factory warranties. These were all factors when I bought my Durango, in addition to the horsepower thing. FCA also has one of the best color palettes in the industry, too. But neither that nor most of the stuff you mentioned is really quantifiable. And that's the thing about FCA's product portfolio... Their best products are bought because they're fun, cool, or adventurous. It's emotions, not logic. Math and logic doesn't really support choosing most, if any, FCA products. On the one hand I would say that's exactly why I like them. On the other hand, I would say you're wrong. While they do have an entire line of toys, they have very logical vehicles. They just don't stand out, as a feature. My wife's Jeep Cherokee is the most practical and useful vehicle we've owned. Can be driven across our farm, gets 10 more mpg than our 4Runner got, has a better power to weight ratio, drives better, honestly it's better by every logical measure. My Ram gets 300 more miles to a tank than my Tundra got, 8 more mpg, doesn't rattle like a tin can, can pull absolutely anything I would ever need pulling, and has the easiest to use controls of any vehicle I've owned. The Cherokee isn't in the same segment as the 4Runner. It competes against the RAV4, CR-V, Forester, and CX5. Those vehicles tend to have better metrics and a long term outlook. The Tundra isn't exactly a great comparison either as Toyota has basically left it to rot for 13 years. Compare the Ram 1500 to the Silverado or F-150 and you get a better idea of what I'm talking about. The Silverado and F-150 are better with the quantifiable stuff like payload, towing, efficiency, etc. The Ram isn't the most capable or most efficient, but it's very clearly the best half ton to spend time in/with thanks to its interior and suspension. I know the Cherokee isn’t in the realm of the 4Runner, I’m explaining how FCA makes more than toys. Says a lot though that Toyota needs a 4Runner to compete with the little Cherokee. The Rav4/Highlander aren’t even in the ballpark. Saying the Tundra isn’t comparable is saying it isn’t good enough. Makes my whole case. I’m not stating a brand comparison, I’m disputing your no logic claim, FCA has a shitload of logical choices. I’ve done the F series and silverado thing, could not stand them. Having said that, the big 3 trucks will all do what anyone needs them to do, don’t get lost in the numbers game, go with what feels right to you. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 8:11:19 AM EST
[#14]
What time is the event?
Nvm looks like its 12 noon EST on dodge.com |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 8:16:00 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: here toy go (with helephant motor).. https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/q39Ev/s1/1968-dodge-charger-hellephant.jpg Cool. Is that real Jimmy? |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 8:35:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What time is the event? Nvm looks like its 12 noon EST on dodge.com Not so patiently waiting... 
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Posted: 7/2/2020 10:56:49 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not so patiently waiting... 3 minutes to letdown! edit:  Dodge | Liberty and the Pursuit of Horsepower | Reveal |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:11:48 AM EST
[#18]
Wow, a Durango RT..
Edit: Hellcat Durango. Challenger Super Stock, Charger Hellcat |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:12:29 AM EST
[#19]
Durango R/T, meh. I wanted to see a Viper, would have even been mildly intrigued by a Magnum.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:16:55 AM EST
[#20]
Quoted: Wow, a Durango RT.. Quoted: Durango R/T, meh. lol |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:17:49 AM EST
[#21]
Ok, just got a little better. Would still rather a V10 coupe.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:23:16 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Durango R/T, meh. I wanted to see a Viper, would have even been mildly intrigued by a Magnum. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:30:14 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jeep Gladiator with hellcat engine! I WISH A MOTHER FUCKER WOULD 
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:30:34 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Durango R/T, meh. I wanted to see a Viper, would have even been mildly intrigued by a Magnum. And just like cheap trucks... when guys say they want the precious... what they really want is a cheap used one. But somebody has to buy them new first. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:41:36 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What other selling point does Dodge have to work with? The cars look cool and sound cool, but horsepower is the only quantifiable thing they have going for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have always liked the fact that dodge has brazenly and consistently advertised the horsepower side of their product line in nationwide ads since the advent of the new challenger and charger. Ford and Chevy you barely hear a peep if anything at all. What other selling point does Dodge have to work with? The cars look cool and sound cool, but horsepower is the only quantifiable thing they have going for them. Relax man. It's just an observation on a throw back to the muscle car days of the 60's and early 70's when horsepower seemed to be promoted to the exclusion of other features. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:43:08 AM EST
[#26]
Hellcat Durango is one hell of a 3 row family grocery getter
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:01:02 PM EST
[#27]
Ground breaking stuff there ....
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:15:18 PM EST
[#28]
Where's the 426 Hemi?!!
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:18:20 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only Dodge car ever that doesn't look like shit. There are a lot of beautiful current and classic cars all over my city of 100K, but I see more of the fugly Chargers/Challengers than any other sports/muscle car. I don't get it. I see way too many 'Stangs as well, but at least they look good. My son worked at a Dodge dealership and has driven the Hellcat and Demon and vouches for how badass they are. And of that, I have no doubt. But that body style still looks like shit, even if the motor is awesome. You're smoking crack.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:27:27 PM EST
[#30]
Now, do I trade my perfectly "logical" Ram for a Durango Hellcat? That single year run thing sucks...
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:28:59 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hellcat Durango is one hell of a 3 row family grocery getter https://moparinsiders.com/the-wait-is-over-meet-the-2021-dodge-durango-srt-hellcat/  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:39:14 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now, do I trade my perfectly "logical" Ram for a Durango Hellcat? That single year run thing sucks... I'd wait and see how the Ram TRX looks. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:48:28 PM EST
[#33]
What? No modern day take on this?
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:28:01 PM EST
[#34]
Shit, I need to trade my 1500 up to a 2500 but now my wife is demanding her V6 Durango be replaced with at least a 392.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:38:46 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hellcat Durango is one hell of a 3 row family grocery getter https://moparinsiders.com/the-wait-is-over-meet-the-2021-dodge-durango-srt-hellcat/ https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/DG021_016DU6us9or29bvp1jc50giorkk7fi2_jp-1486377.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61196/DG021_047DUsnj2jbhgmv7iv3ir56rup115uu-sc-1486379.JPG "Get in kids, we're going to Kroger!"
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:40:00 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd wait and see how the Ram TRX looks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now, do I trade my perfectly "logical" Ram for a Durango Hellcat? That single year run thing sucks... I'd wait and see how the Ram TRX looks. I've thought about that actually. Ideally I want my 2500 Ram and the Durango... |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:45:28 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GM sold about 1,200 total 2nd gen CTS-V wagons. They're like cheap trucks. Everybody says they want one, but nobody buys them. And just like cheap trucks... when guys say they want the precious... what they really want is a cheap used one. But somebody has to buy them new first. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Durango R/T, meh. I wanted to see a Viper, would have even been mildly intrigued by a Magnum. And just like cheap trucks... when guys say they want the precious... what they really want is a cheap used one. But somebody has to buy them new first. I'm pretty sure nobody went to GM and said "You should build a 550HP RWD station wagon, you'll sell millions of them. Oh yeah, while you're at it, make them available with a manual transmission."  GM built them because someone in their management is a lunatic, and used V-agon prices are going up, not down. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:59:12 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm pretty sure nobody went to GM and said "You should build a 550HP RWD station wagon, you'll sell millions of them. Oh yeah, while you're at it, make them available with a manual transmission." GM built them because someone in their management is a lunatic, and used V-agon prices are going up, not down. That lunatic is awesome. I hope we continue to see stuff like that. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:18:39 PM EST
[#39]
Shame they didn't revise the durango to have sliding rear doors. Would be an awesome looking performance minivan, err suv.
And sliding doors are so much more practical. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:34:18 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryI shall have one in black. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:35:12 PM EST
[#41]
Well, no 426. So I just pulled the trigger on a 2006 Viper coupe. Blue with white stripes.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:36:35 PM EST
[#42]
No Grand Caravan SRT, then they failed.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:37:58 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, no 426. So I just pulled the trigger on a 2006 Viper coupe. Blue with white stripes. Hell yes brother |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:45:16 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only Dodge car ever that doesn't look like shit. Oh. OK. Eye roll. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:45:23 PM EST
[#45]
Durango is just a 1 year run?
Dodge builds stuff people want to buy at affordable prices to be honest. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:57:42 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Durango is just a 1 year run? Dodge builds stuff people want to buy at affordable prices to be honest. No, just the Durango Hellcat is a 1-yr run. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 2:58:20 PM EST
[#47]
Quoted: Hell yes brother Thanks. It’ll take a while to get it. Got it from a dealer in Michigan. Will be shipped to me here in NH. Wanted this particular version for a long time. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 3:02:53 PM EST
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Lol
Just lol |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 3:25:48 PM EST
[#49]
Gross. Will be a big hit with the drug dealers though.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 3:30:21 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shame they didn't revise the durango to have sliding rear doors. Would be an awesome looking performance minivan, err suv. And sliding doors are so much more practical. That would be pretty awesome. And probably in the long run change a lot of attitudes. |
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