[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Doh!!! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/19/2009 7:40:08 PM EDT
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shouldn't you look at the inside of a gun that needs repair before you fire it ? slam fire can blow up in your face. this. then the guy can go down for machine gun possession AND manslaughter! ironically, I think he would probably get a stiffer penalty for the machine gun violation. how fucked up is THAT? |
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So a rifle came in in need of repair...
And had a bad disconnector...it's called a disconnector BTW... And the smith didn't bother to check the rifle out before test firing it... And so you intend to get the feds involved? Put in a new $2 part and call it a day maybe? |
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Quoted: BTW, forgot to mention the Ex Airforce dude is a Grice's employee too, when he tried it it would not stop firing even when he let go of the trigger and it should have quit!! Might i add, The Schmuck who the serial number traces back to as the owner is going to be less than enthused about what the nice Law Enforcement officers?Attorney's, and Judge have to say to him!/her/it !!!!! Your first post said the rifle was dropped off for repair. Now you are saying they traced "the serial number" back to "the owner" and the shop called the feds. WTF? You making this up (poorly) as you go? |
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The gunsmith there does not much about SBR's he has worked mainly on hunting weapons since Grice's is largely a "Fudd Gun" shop. They only got into some of the more tacticool stuff after 9-11 because it was more in demand. So this gunsmith has not dealt with a lot of malfunctions of SBR's. I goota wonder about the moron who tampered then was dumb enough to turn the gun in for repair thinking they would just fix it and not say anything to the authorities about it. I do not believe our home tinkerer is goign to be pleased about what MR. Officer, Mr. Prosecutor, and His Honor are gogin to have to say to him/her/ it !!! Whatever. This moron will comforatably do live ammo function tests on other broken stuff though? 
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I dont understand why people do this. The thought may creep into your mind, until you think of what happens when it fires out of battery. Not to mention, ITS THE LAW!  Is your Avatar a human bite? It is no longer a human, its a zombie now. Nassssty.... Braaaaains........... |
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That was the DISCONNECTOR that was filed down. And aside from the federal PMITA prison, it isn't safe or reliable, even if you do it on a registered lower receiver with AR15 parts.
A SEAR is NOT a full auto part. An AUTO SEAR is. The disconnector used with A1s engages the SELECTOR and when set on FA, the selector depresses the tail of the DISCONNECTOR. Then the AUTO SEAR engages the hook on the back of the M16 hammer. In most cases, mere omission of the disconnector will only let the hammer follow the carrier. Certain carrier designs will trap the hammer, jamming the action. For the record, 1911s have a seperate sear. AR15s have SEAR SURFACES built into the hammer and trigger. So, sear does NOT equal full auto. |
| So the guy brings in a rifle that he may have bought from someone else to get repaired and the shop turns him in for a machine gun violation instead of fixing it. Wow, my heroes. That gunshop is surely saving the world by ruining someones life for something so stupid, and is sounds like you, the OP, think this is a good idea. Go brown shirts! |
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Quoted: So a rifle came in in need of repair... And had a bad disconnector...it's called a disconnector BTW... And the smith didn't bother to check the rifle out before test firing it... And so you intend to get the feds involved? Put in a new $2 part and call it a day maybe? Seriously... If everyone in the vicinity is cool... I would say "Well, obviously the disconnector was defective from the factory, and has become excessively worn from use." Put in a new disconnector... Get the old one very far away from me. Then, have a serious talk with the guy that dropped it off... letting him know that if he ever dropped off some hack-job full auto again, the ATF would be getting a call and he would take the fall for it, not me. The smith should have definitely inspected the FCG before firing it... And who test fires a malfunctioning rifle with a full magazine? This story is full of stupid. |
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Why wouldn't the owner just replace the disconnector? If he had the ability to file it down, he probably had the ability to replace it. I'm thinking he bought it that way and brought it in for repair. Either that or he's a complete moron and complete morons are rare .
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BTW, forgot to mention the Ex Airforce dude is a Grice's employee too, when he tried it it would not stop firing even when he let go of the trigger and it should have quit!! Might i add, The Schmuck who the serial number traces back to as the owner is going to be less than enthused about what the nice Law Enforcement officers?Attorney's, and Judge have to say to him!/her/it !!!!! Wait... wait a minute... so after the first guy has a slamfire ANOTHER employee/ "armorer" decides to give it a try? "gunsmiths" who take seven+ years to "get familiar" with "SBRs"? And you let this happen? How the hell did you get your post count that high? Where is this gun store? Who owns it? I smell a job opportunity for a couple of arfcommers, I'm sure we can find a couple looking for work in whatever area this happened. Or maybe it's something else I smell... |
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Why wouldn't the owner just replace the disconnector? If he had the ability to file it down, he probably had the ability to replace it. I'm thinking he bought it that way and brought it in for repair. Either that or he's an complete moron and complete morons are rare . Apparently not so much. |
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I did not work at the shop, i was there to see my brother who does. The gun was dropped off by another gunshop for repair since he did not have a gunsmith in his little mom and pop shop. The owner of the gun was NOT the person who dropped it off another gun dealer did to have it repaired. The Disconnector did NOT malfunction IT WAS INTENTIONALLY "FILED" OFF! You could see the filing marks. Somebody tried to make it full auto. They did not know the nature of the malfunction, neither did the gun dealer who dropped it off the guy who brought it to him did not specify the problem. The gunsmith did not know specifically what he was looking for even if he did look in the action as he has not worked on more than a couple AR-15's in the time he has been working on guns. Grice's is mainly a "Fudd Gun" Shop. They did not get into Tacticool toys until a couple years ago because the Ban Ended and people wanted them after 9-11 and the 2004 expiration of the AWB. It was immediatly apparent to me and the gunshop employee what the owner did because we were used to looking at the actions of AR's and M-16's. Read carefully, i thought i made the above clear that the gunsmith did not know anything was wrong with the trigger mechanism because he was not that familiar with the inards of an Ar-15 this why he fired it, he did not know it had been tampered with because he was not real familiar with what it shoul've looked like in there in the first place. But it would explain why the owner did not send it back to Bushmaster for repair and tried to have it done locally hoping nobody would say anything to .GOV. if he wasn't familiar with it, he shouldn't have accepted the repair job IMO |
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I did not work at the shop, i was there to see my brother who does. The gun was dropped off by another gunshop for repair since he did not have a gunsmith in his little mom and pop shop. The owner of the gun was NOT the person who dropped it off another gun dealer did to have it repaired. The Disconnector did NOT malfunction IT WAS INTENTIONALLY "FILED" OFF! You could see the filing marks. Somebody tried to make it full auto. They did not know the nature of the malfunction, neither did the gun dealer who dropped it off the guy who brought it to him did not specify the problem. The gunsmith did not know specifically what he was looking for even if he did look in the action as he has not worked on more than a couple AR-15's in the time he has been working on guns. Grice's is mainly a "Fudd Gun" Shop. They did not get into Tacticool toys until a couple years ago because the Ban Ended and people wanted them after 9-11 and the 2004 expiration of the AWB. It was immediatly apparent to me and the gunshop employee what the owner did because we were used to looking at the actions of AR's and M-16's. Read carefully, i thought i made the above clear that the gunsmith did not know anything was wrong with the trigger mechanism because he was not that familiar with the inards of an Ar-15 this why he fired it, he did not know it had been tampered with because he was not real familiar with what it shoul've looked like in there in the first place. But it would explain why the owner did not send it back to Bushmaster for repair and tried to have it done locally hoping nobody would say anything to .GOV. well tell the guy about GOOGLE, because it has pictures of what ever peice should look like in an AR15, but firing a gun you now little about that was brought in for repair, without looking at a manual, with more than 2 rounds in the mag. = fail |
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Quoted: I did not work at the shop, i was there to see my brother who does. The gun was dropped off by another gunshop for repair since he did not have a gunsmith in his little mom and pop shop. The owner of the gun was NOT the person who dropped it off another gun dealer did to have it repaired. The Disconnector did NOT malfunction IT WAS INTENTIONALLY "FILED" OFF! You could see the filing marks. Somebody tried to make it full auto. They did not know the nature of the malfunction, neither did the gun dealer who dropped it off the guy who brought it to him did not specify the problem. The gunsmith did not know specifically what he was looking for even if he did look in the action as he has not worked on more than a couple AR-15's in the time he has been working on guns. Grice's is mainly a "Fudd Gun" Shop. They did not get into Tacticool toys until a couple years ago because the Ban Ended and people wanted them after 9-11 and the 2004 expiration of the AWB. It was immediatly apparent to me and the gunshop employee what the owner did because we were used to looking at the actions of AR's and M-16's. Read carefully, i thought i made the above clear that the gunsmith did not know anything was wrong with the trigger mechanism because he was not that familiar with the inards of an Ar-15 this why he fired it, he did not know it had been tampered with because he was not real familiar with what it shoul've looked like in there in the first place. But it would explain why the owner did not send it back to Bushmaster for repair and tried to have it done locally hoping nobody would say anything to .GOV. So some evil doer files down the disconnector to make it go full auto, which looks to have succeeded. Then wants it undone, but is now befuddled as to what part to replace (despite having filed down the very part in question). So he drops it off at a gun shop that doesn't offer gunsmith services to be repaired. Said gunshop owner agrees to repair the rifle, without asking what is wrong with it. Said gunshop owner takes the rifle to second gunshop owner to have it repaired by a "smith" who isn't familiar with the dominant semi auto platform of the last 40 odd years. Said smith, unfamiliar "with the innards", cranks off a shot with a full mag loaded without performing a basic function test initiating a hammer follow "full-auto" event, risking life and limb. Attending self described "ex-Air force dude", seeing the fun, decides to rattle off a mag as well. Gunshop owner #2 decides to involve the federal authorities, but seems to have neglected getting the owner information from gunshop #1, so some LEO? contact is engaged to "run the serials" which traces to the "schmuck" or "dickwad", upon which the "the nice Law Enforcement officers?Attorney's, and Judge" have been loosed. uh-huh.  |
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I DON'T USE THIS GUNSMITH, for my more serious stuff i go to DuBois, Pa. to a guy who does nothing but gun repair/smithing.(Bob's Army Navy Store and Guns and Shooting Supplies R' Us also use Mr. Russell in DuBois for their deeper gunsmithing needs.)
The guy at Grices is basically just a repair person, replacing parts etc. not a "full line went to formal schooling" for it gunsmith. In fact they are only a Authorized repair center for two or three manufacturers and that the extent of formal schooling for the poor guy to become familiarized with those two or three makes of guns.THEY ARE NOT A BUSHMASTER AUTHORIZED REPAIR SHOP.Just an AUTHORIZED DEALER. Most repairs i'm technically adept at doing myself and do thanks to Numerich arms and Brownells. But i only work on my own and when i run into something wierd consult my father who was a machinist for 40+ years. |
| If the guy knew how to modify the weapon to slam fire he knew how to replace the part. The guy who originally brought it in for repair probably bought it from someone else. What kind of clown shop agrees to fixing a rifle they know nothing about? What a crap gunsmith. This whole post is a bad joke. |
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I did not work at the shop, i was there to see my brother who does. The gun was dropped off by another gunshop for repair since he did not have a gunsmith in his little mom and pop shop. The owner of the gun was NOT the person who dropped it off another gun dealer did to have it repaired. The Disconnector did NOT malfunction IT WAS INTENTIONALLY "FILED" OFF! You could see the filing marks. Somebody tried to make it full auto. They did not know the nature of the malfunction, neither did the gun dealer who dropped it off the guy who brought it to him did not specify the problem. The gunsmith did not know specifically what he was looking for even if he did look in the action as he has not worked on more than a couple AR-15's in the time he has been working on guns. Grice's is mainly a "Fudd Gun" Shop. They did not get into Tacticool toys until a couple years ago because the Ban Ended and people wanted them after 9-11 and the 2004 expiration of the AWB. It was immediatly apparent to me and the gunshop employee what the owner did because we were used to looking at the actions of AR's and M-16's. Read carefully, i thought i made the above clear that the gunsmith did not know anything was wrong with the trigger mechanism because he was not that familiar with the inards of an Ar-15 this why he fired it, he did not know it had been tampered with because he was not real familiar with what it shoul've looked like in there in the first place. But it would explain why the owner did not send it back to Bushmaster for repair and tried to have it done locally hoping nobody would say anything to .GOV. So some evil doer files down the disconnector to make it go full auto, which looks to have succeeded. Then wants it undone, but is now befuddled as to what part to replace (despite having filed down the very part in question). So he drops it off at a gun shop that doesn't offer gunsmith services to be repaired. Said gunshop owner agrees to repair the rifle, without asking what is wrong with it. Said gunshop owner takes the rifle to second gunshop owner to have it repaired by a "smith" who isn't familiar with the dominant semi auto platform of the last 40 odd years. Said smith, unfamiliar "with the innards", cranks off a shot with a full mag loaded without performing a basic function test initiating a hammer follow "full-auto" event, risking life and limb. Attending self described "ex-Air force dude", seeing the fun, decides to rattle off a mag as well. Gunshop owner #2 decides to involve the federal authorities, but seems to have neglected getting the owner information from gunshop #1, so some LEO? contact is engaged to "run the serials" which traces to the "schmuck" or "dickwad", upon which the "the nice Law Enforcement officers?Attorney's, and Judge" have been loosed. uh-huh.
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I did not work at the shop, i was there to see my brother who does. The gun was dropped off by another gunshop for repair since he did not have a gunsmith in his little mom and pop shop. The owner of the gun was NOT the person who dropped it off another gun dealer did to have it repaired. The Disconnector did NOT malfunction IT WAS INTENTIONALLY "FILED" OFF! You could see the filing marks. Somebody tried to make it full auto. They did not know the nature of the malfunction, neither did the gun dealer who dropped it off the guy who brought it to him did not specify the problem. The gunsmith did not know specifically what he was looking for even if he did look in the action as he has not worked on more than a couple AR-15's in the time he has been working on guns. Grice's is mainly a "Fudd Gun" Shop. They did not get into Tacticool toys until a couple years ago because the Ban Ended and people wanted them after 9-11 and the 2004 expiration of the AWB. It was immediatly apparent to me and the gunshop employee what the owner did because we were used to looking at the actions of AR's and M-16's. Read carefully, i thought i made the above clear that the gunsmith did not know anything was wrong with the trigger mechanism because he was not that familiar with the inards of an Ar-15 this why he fired it, he did not know it had been tampered with because he was not real familiar with what it shoul've looked like in there in the first place. But it would explain why the owner did not send it back to Bushmaster for repair and tried to have it done locally hoping nobody would say anything to .GOV. So some evil doer files down the disconnector to make it go full auto, which looks to have succeeded. Then wants it undone, but is now befuddled as to what part to replace (despite having filed down the very part in question). So he drops it off at a gun shop that doesn't offer gunsmith services to be repaired. Said gunshop owner agrees to repair the rifle, without asking what is wrong with it. Said gunshop owner takes the rifle to second gunshop owner to have it repaired by a "smith" who isn't familiar with the dominant semi auto platform of the last 40 odd years. Said smith, unfamiliar "with the innards", cranks off a shot with a full mag loaded without performing a basic function test initiating a hammer follow "full-auto" event, risking life and limb. Attending self described "ex-Air force dude", seeing the fun, decides to rattle off a mag as well. Gunshop owner #2 decides to involve the federal authorities, but seems to have neglected getting the owner information from gunshop #1, so some LEO? contact is engaged to "run the serials" which traces to the "schmuck" or "dickwad", upon which the "the nice Law Enforcement officers?Attorney's, and Judge" have been loosed. uh-huh.
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Look i did not say anything about this incident was full of WISDOM or SMARTS!! I had NO say in what they did or didn't do concerning this gun or it's owner. The tags when the repair dude at grices just say something general like "Trigger malfunction". The guy did not think anything looked wrong with it visually so he test fired it to see how it was malfunctioning. End of story.
I cannot read minds and don't know why the Ex Airforce guy tried it after the gunsmith, full well knowing what he did see was wrong with it because we looked at each other and said the same thing "The trigger groups been tampered with!" As far as reports made i do not know except for what my brother told me happened about it being reported. QUIT BUSTING MY BALLS!! I Was just a WITNESS TO THIS SHIT, NOT AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT, I just happend to be standing at the gunsmith shop door when the Air force guy opened the action and i saw the trigger group while he was looking at it, thenwnet inand loaded a few rounds in the mag and tried it. Thats as far as my involvement went i left right after that. My brother an employee told me what transpired as far as notification of authorities. And how they ended up with this rifle for repair from the second gunshop owner. If my story sounds funny it's because some of it was from information my brother gave me later at my place when he left work about how the gun came form another dealer for repair for one of his customers because he does not repair guns himself. |
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Things just are not adding up. +1 my  o meter is pegged.
if someone willingly altered a weapon to make it fire in FA then why would they take it to a shop for reapir? Also if they knew how to alter it to make it FA then they could repair it themselves. ETA: WTF does SBRs have anything to do with the FCG in a AR type rifle? You do know that stands for Short Barrel Rifle SBRs have the same parts as a normal AR15 just need to pay Uncle Sugar 200 for the Kool Aide stamp. |
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Things just are not adding up. +1 my o meter is pegged.
if someone willingly altered a weapon to make it fire in FA then why would they take it to a shop for reapir? Also if they knew how to alter it to make it FA then they could repair it themselves. ETA: WTF does SBRs have anything to do with the FCG in a AR type rifle? You do know that stands for Short Barrel Rifle SBRs have the same parts as a normal AR15 just need to pay Uncle Sugar 200 for the Kool Aide stamp. why would a guy that has been on this website for a few years make up a BS story? |