Posted: 11/20/2006 10:30:42 AM EDT
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Good thing it was stopped... for now... news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061120/pl_nm/draft_dc 
Personally I would not want some idiot next to me during a firefight who didn't want to be there in the first place because he was drafted. Damn Democrats need to leave matters of defense to the men. I think they are waiting for the Presidential elections in 08 before unveiling their idiotic plans to turn America upside down & go after law abiding citizens who legally own guns, family values, Caucasians & Christianity. |
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The problem with a draft is WE DON'T NEED IT. And if it were made active, we do not have the budget to support the size of military that it would create. So with a draft, they would have to increase the budget for defense. The preliminary hopeful idea was to take recruitment budgets and make them pay for the increased size of military...this would take care of about an additional 2000 service members...about 40 million. You see, the recruiter's budget is already funded as far as payroll. The major expenses are advertising, leasing and travel. And that is about 40 million per year, combined. |
Come on Nationwide; it was kind of funny  . I wouldn't call it pathetic, unless you are talking about that piece of shit rangle. Seriously. Past actions, however heroic, do not make up for present day self serving, socialist, traitorist actions. 
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Mccain and Kerry are both good exaples of that, right along with Rangel |
| The question should be WHY does Rangel want a draft. I believe he wants to see a bunch of left wing malcontnets drafted in order for the military to have difficulties accomplishing their basic mission. He wants a draft so a bunch of pathetic losers can chant slogans at Fort Knox or wherever and talk about solidarity with the oppressed and the usual left wing claptrap. he wants a draft to hurt the military, not help it. |
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If we DID have a draft, and we NEEDED it, I think that time would show that the draftees would, by and large, perform admirably in battle. Past draft history has shown that Americans tend to generally become good soldiers whether they're drafted or not. Most draftees will suck it up and figure out that their best chance of getting home is to win their battles. Losing a battle is generally bad for your future prospects. MANY medals for valor in combat have been won by draftees. CJ |
Well put, guys. |
Well put, guys. |
I seem to recall that Alvin York was a draftee and he really considered not going. |
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Screw the draft...if you don't want to wear the uniform I don't need you in it. I had to listen to a bunch of guys bitch from time-to-time about their duty to this country who were volunteers when I was in I sure am glad though I didn't have to hear a bunch of draft idiots complaining non-stop. Give me motivated professional and let the rest stay at home with old ladies and kids. |
Yep. It would give a lot of kids direction in their life that would otherwise be missing. I know it would have helped me. 
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Wasn't this proposal not only for military service, but for some civil service as well? It wouldn't change my mind if it were. I'm wholeheartedly against it either way. I view it as slavery. Futhermore, if a nation cannot gather up enough volunteers to defend itself properly when needed, it doesn't deserve to exist. |
| We went to a Volunteer Service after the Vietnam War. Most people would step up to the plate I would think, but how would morale be in the Services? I would not want to be serving with a bunch of unmotivated Soldiers with attitude problems. The draft should only be used as a last resort. I'm not sure why Rangle would suggest it. |
I am not for a draft, but this slamming of anyone who would be a draftee is ridiculous. No, I was not a draftee, last I checked, they weren't drafting into the Navy back in the '60s, but it gets old hearing the automatic assumption that draftees are unmotivated grumblers. As has already been noted, plenty of medals have been won by draftees. |
| I'm not slamming anyone who was drafted. I served 14 years on active duty and I served with a lot of great people. A lot of them got drafted during the Vietnam war. Some of my old PLT SGT's, 1SG and SMG's would always tell us that the All Volunteer Army was much better than what they had during the draft. A lot of these guys helped change the Military into what it is today. The fact remains that with a Draft you are forcing some people to do something they do not want to do and will not perform 100%. I've gotten stuck with soldiers who did not want to be in the Service and there attitude would rub off on others or bring moral down. They volunteered! All I'm saying is that it should be used as a last resort. Rangle stated that the lower classes of Society are the ones who get stuck serving. I enlisted because I wanted to serve and become a Paratrooper. Others who enlisted had different motives, but we all did it because we wanted to do it. No one forced us to serve. It just happens that the Military is a way for a lot of lower class citizens to better themselves. Some join to runaway from the past. I served with a lot of different people from different classes. If we were forced to serve things might have been different in terms of Motivation, how well we performed, etc.. If I did not get a medical discharge I'd still be in serving. I'm proud of my service and thank all who served and are serving. Volunteer or not. |
Other countries do it. MANY other countries. And I have to note that their younger generations aren't the fucked-up bunch of directionless losers that many of our own are. It's not a bad idea but it will encounter substantial resistance. Heinlein's book Starship Troopers advances a very intriguing concept: Service is ENTIRELY voluntary. You can enlist now and quit at any time during your enlistment except when you are actually deployed in combat, and you can't quit then simply because if you do, you're not going to be going home until the battle's over anyway. And maybe not even then, because military transport is for members of the MILITARY, not civilian quitters. Completing two years of service under honorable conditions grants you full citizenship. You get the right to vote in exchange for your service, among other benefits reserved for those who served. Those who don't give two years can't vote and have a lesser status as citizens. Read the book. (Don't watch the movie, it doesn't cover this.) I also think that it would be a good idea to change the status of all prior service enlisted personnel so that they may return to service with an absolute minimum of hassle and paperwork. Say that I, as an Air Force veteran, want to go back in, by either the reserves or the regular component. I shouldn't have to do much more than go to my local recruiter's office, submit my identification and my DD214, and say, "Put me back in the game. Then pick my career field (same as before if applicable, or different if I want or the service needs me in another field) and I go off to training or direct to a unit as soon as I say I'm ready to do it. And if my training slot isn't available for, say, six weeks, but I'm ready to get into the game right away, spend maybe a month with a similar unit getting reacquainted with the service and learning what's different and what's the same. That could be done at the nearest installation. CJ |