[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Drug test question (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 6/8/2015 2:33:57 PM EDT
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Quick question - Switching jobs to a different bank and they require a piss test, which is fine with me. When I was talking with the woman, she said to be "mindful of water intake" as too much will dilute the piss and two consecutive "diluted" tests equal a fail. I am a BIG water drinker and go to the gym every night, so I am constantly downing water...my pee is always clear. How much water is too much? Do I need to skip the water at the gym tonight and just accept the lack of hydration? Is clear pee ok or do I need to get some color back into it by limiting my intake?
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Quick question - Switching jobs to a different bank and they require a piss test, which is fine with me. When I was talking with the woman, she said to be "mindful of water intake" as too much will dilute the piss and two consecutive "diluted" tests equal a fail. I am a BIG water drinker and go to the gym every night, so I am constantly downing water...my pee is always clear. How much water is too much? Do I need to skip the water at the gym tonight and just accept the lack of hydration? Is clear pee ok or do I need to get some color back into it by limiting my intake? Please and thank you. Take the first test as you would normally do with your current water intake. See what happens. If it is too diluted then cut back on your water intake before taking the second test. |
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Try limiting your water rather than stopping it.
If you drink a gallon per day, drop to a half gallon. Also, do you take creatine or vitamins? Oftentimes people who dilute their urine will take B vitamins to make it more yellow, and the added creatine makes up for lost creatine due to dilution. Perhaps you should avoid supplements for a few days if you take them as they can test for those as well. ETA I see this is tomorrow. Well, do what you can. |
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I don't need the detox stuff...passing the test isn't the issue. I just don't want to come in and get a diluted test since that seems sketchy. Test is tomorrow morning, so I'm wondering if the gym tonight is enough time to pass the water and be good by morning? "pass the water"  
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If they are really eyeballing samples for "dilution" just take an extra B-Complex vitamin in the morning.
If you are truly clean it shouldn't be an issue. My understanding is when trace amounts of drugs show up and the some of the "is this really pee" numbers are a little low: if say THC metabolites show up but less than would normally trigger a positive, but the urine also seems weak, then you have an issue. If *no* illegal substances show up and your pee seems slightly diluted you should still get a pass. |
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Try limiting your water rather than stopping it. If you drink a gallon per day, drop to a half gallon. Also, do you take creatine or vitamins? Oftentimes people who dilute their urine will take B vitamins to make it more yellow, and the added creatine makes up for lost creatine due to dilution. Perhaps you should avoid supplements for a few days if you take them as they can test for those as well. ETA I see this is tomorrow. Well, do what you can. 5mg of creatine prior to my workout. B12 in the morning sometimes to get me going for the day. Other than that, just a basic pre workout before I get to the gym. |
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I have never heard of that. I've had guys go hot, but never got a call back on diluted. Learn something every day. I hadn't heard of it either, but I suppose it makes sense if you are trying to dilute and hide something. If she hadn't told me to be mindful of the water intake, I wouldn't have even thought about it. |
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If they are really eyeballing samples for "dilution" just take an extra B-Complex vitamin in the morning. If you are truly clean it shouldn't be an issue. My understanding is when trace amounts of drugs show up and the some of the "is this really pee" numbers are a little low: if say THC metabolites show up but less than would normally trigger a positive, but the urine also seems weak, then you have an issue. If *no* illegal substances show up and your pee seems slightly diluted you should still get a pass. So when they check for dilution, it's more of a color thing and not a scientific measurement like water % in the urine? I am absolutely clean...I just don't want to get dinged on too diluted of a sample, but I also don't want to be dehydrated at the gym tonight. I start the new gig Monday, so rescheduling a second test if I get a "diluted" on the first, could be tricky. |
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So when they check for dilution, it's more of a color thing and not a scientific measurement like water % in the urine? I am absolutely clean...I just don't want to get dinged on too diluted of a sample, but I also don't want to be dehydrated at the gym tonight. I start the new gig Monday, so rescheduling a second test if I get a "diluted" on the first, could be tricky. Quoted:
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If they are really eyeballing samples for "dilution" just take an extra B-Complex vitamin in the morning. If you are truly clean it shouldn't be an issue. My understanding is when trace amounts of drugs show up and the some of the "is this really pee" numbers are a little low: if say THC metabolites show up but less than would normally trigger a positive, but the urine also seems weak, then you have an issue. If *no* illegal substances show up and your pee seems slightly diluted you should still get a pass. So when they check for dilution, it's more of a color thing and not a scientific measurement like water % in the urine? I am absolutely clean...I just don't want to get dinged on too diluted of a sample, but I also don't want to be dehydrated at the gym tonight. I start the new gig Monday, so rescheduling a second test if I get a "diluted" on the first, could be tricky. I've read people saying they got dinged on color, but they are supposed to test for creatin, temperature, etc. Here's from a drug testing company: about diluted samples. |
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I would bet a lot of my hard earned money that the HR chick who told you this doesn't know her own ass from a hole in the ground.
Worry about what smart people say. If you let the dumb ones take up all your time you won't have enough hours in the day to argue with people on the interwebs. |
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How hard would it be for you to skip working out and drinking a bunch of water one day? If you are truly worried about pissing too much water, that's probably the only option. Can't skip the gym...in the middle of training for a powerlifting meet and skipping today would kinda throw the rest of the week off. I can cut back on the water for sure, but I'm more curious if I actually have to, or if it takes some massive amount of water intake to throw off a test. If I can keep my intake high and still take the test, even better. Here is some info on diluted tests...apparently it's a normal thing in testing. Linky |
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They are going to look at creatinine levels (they use--or used to--those levels to "normalize" the concentration versus urine amount). As others said, cut back a bit on the water the day before the test, and if it comes back too dilute, cut back more the next time. |
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Quoted: So when they check for dilution, it's more of a color thing and not a scientific measurement like water % in the urine? I am absolutely clean...I just don't want to get dinged on too diluted of a sample, but I also don't want to be dehydrated at the gym tonight. I start the new gig Monday, so rescheduling a second test if I get a "diluted" on the first, could be tricky. Quoted: Quoted: If they are really eyeballing samples for "dilution" just take an extra B-Complex vitamin in the morning. If you are truly clean it shouldn't be an issue. My understanding is when trace amounts of drugs show up and the some of the "is this really pee" numbers are a little low: if say THC metabolites show up but less than would normally trigger a positive, but the urine also seems weak, then you have an issue. If *no* illegal substances show up and your pee seems slightly diluted you should still get a pass. So when they check for dilution, it's more of a color thing and not a scientific measurement like water % in the urine? I am absolutely clean...I just don't want to get dinged on too diluted of a sample, but I also don't want to be dehydrated at the gym tonight. I start the new gig Monday, so rescheduling a second test if I get a "diluted" on the first, could be tricky. Chances are that you will be fine if you just follow your normal routine, but if you're worried about it; skipping a few drinks of water before taking the test isn't going to harm you. |
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They are going to look at creatinine levels (they use--or used to--those levels to "normalize" the concentration versus urine amount). As others said, cut back a bit on the water the day before the test, and if it comes back too dilute, cut back more the next time. Awesome. I'll do this - thanks! |
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Funny I was just at a place, waiting in the reception area, to talk to the big boss.
The ladies at the reception desk were talking about someone who took a piss test. Turns out they considered the test to be diluted. They spoke about it for a while, then the older the of the two women (also the one standing, who I assumed was the HR rep) to the other lady, "You don't need to retest him". My guess was that even though it was considered diluted, he still had no trace of anything and was considered pass. I hear strong talk all the time, but its generally just that, talk. My guess, too water in urine is a very real human condition and is not illegal or un-normal. I suspect the language was used to scare crack heads. If they were concerned they would pull hair. All assumptions. Don't worry about it so much. |
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I drink iced tea (unsweetened cold tea, which is basically water) by the gallon. When I took my first test for my current job, it came back dilute.
I remember going to the lab and I remember it being clear. I don't do any sort of drugs and never have, but the geniuses at the lab said it was dilute. Whatever. The next time I went, I just cut back on my intake a bit. I specifically asked the tech responsible if it was OK and he assured me 100% it was. Never heard anything about it. It does happen. Whether it's a legitimate concern or not I have no idea. |
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Quick question - Switching jobs to a different bank and they require a piss test, which is fine with me. When I was talking with the woman, she said to be "mindful of water intake" as too much will dilute the piss and two consecutive "diluted" tests equal a fail. I am a BIG water drinker and go to the gym every night, so I am constantly downing water...my pee is always clear. How much water is too much? Do I need to skip the water at the gym tonight and just accept the lack of hydration? Is clear pee ok or do I need to get some color back into it by limiting my intake? Please and thank you. Op, I know two people who have failed due to too much water intake. One of which was my brother who was drinking 10 or 12 glasses of water a day, Failed the first one and went in for the second one and failed it again due to diluted samples. They weren't going to give him the job but he begged for a 3rd one and believe it or not they told him not to drink water for 24 hours. He passed. My boss was working a turnaround in a Nuclear plant and everyone onsite was called up for a "random" test. He had been instructed by a doctor to drink 14 glasses of water a day due to some issue he was having. He failed the test and was kicked off site. He then went and had an independent test done by our company(General Electric) and passed it. This is no bullshit as they assume everyone is high all the time and don't usually give second tests. Either go to a head shop and buy the synthetic urine or don't drink much water the day before. |
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Op, I know two people who have failed due to too much water intake. One of which was my brother who was drinking 10 or 12 glasses of water a day, Failed the first one and went in for the second one and failed it again due to diluted samples. They weren't going to give him the job but he begged for a 3rd one and believe it or not they told him not to drink water for 24 hours. He passed. My boss was working a turnaround in a Nuclear plant and everyone onsite was called up for a "random" test. He had been instructed by a doctor to drink 14 glasses of water a day due to some issue he was having. He failed the test and was kicked off site. He then went and had an independent test done by our company(General Electric) and passed it. This is no bullshit as they assume everyone is high all the time and don't usually give second tests. Either go to a head shop and buy the synthetic urine or don't drink much water the day before. Quoted:
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Quick question - Switching jobs to a different bank and they require a piss test, which is fine with me. When I was talking with the woman, she said to be "mindful of water intake" as too much will dilute the piss and two consecutive "diluted" tests equal a fail. I am a BIG water drinker and go to the gym every night, so I am constantly downing water...my pee is always clear. How much water is too much? Do I need to skip the water at the gym tonight and just accept the lack of hydration? Is clear pee ok or do I need to get some color back into it by limiting my intake? Please and thank you. Op, I know two people who have failed due to too much water intake. One of which was my brother who was drinking 10 or 12 glasses of water a day, Failed the first one and went in for the second one and failed it again due to diluted samples. They weren't going to give him the job but he begged for a 3rd one and believe it or not they told him not to drink water for 24 hours. He passed. My boss was working a turnaround in a Nuclear plant and everyone onsite was called up for a "random" test. He had been instructed by a doctor to drink 14 glasses of water a day due to some issue he was having. He failed the test and was kicked off site. He then went and had an independent test done by our company(General Electric) and passed it. This is no bullshit as they assume everyone is high all the time and don't usually give second tests. Either go to a head shop and buy the synthetic urine or don't drink much water the day before. Very interesting...thank you for the info! My test is in the morning, so it looks like I am pretty much done with water for the day, minus a bit at the gym to keep my mouth from drying out. I'd say I definitely do at least 10 glasses a day, easily. |
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The first piss in the morning is the most concentrated. Hold that if you can.
When I knew someone was dirty I'd run a unit screening first thing in the morning. Never heard the "too diluted" issue before and I was on a once-a-month random program while teaching for the Navy. The office would come by and say I had to provide. If I was teaching that would eat into my contact time so I'd generally just slam down 2 liters of water and I could just run down to the urinalysis bathroom (the one with all the mirrors) and produce mass quantities on demand. 
At my current job there's both urinalysis and the threat of polygraph testing to deal with. I have no problem with urine testing - strike that - I have little problems with a well run program. My only fear is someone fucks up and swaps my clean pee with someone who is dirty. The polygraph does bother me. Not proven science IMHO. |
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I hadn't heard of it either, but I suppose it makes sense if you are trying to dilute and hide something. If she hadn't told me to be mindful of the water intake, I wouldn't have even thought about it. Quoted:
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I have never heard of that. I've had guys go hot, but never got a call back on diluted. Learn something every day. I hadn't heard of it either, but I suppose it makes sense if you are trying to dilute and hide something. If she hadn't told me to be mindful of the water intake, I wouldn't have even thought about it. So apparently they're not doing direct observation or thermometer readings. |
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They're not testing for color, they're testing the specific gravity of the urine. Think of it as the amount of solids that are dissolved in the urine. Some druggies try to disguise drugs in their urine by diluting them by drinking massive amounts of water. Chances are that you will be fine if you just follow your normal routine, but if you're worried about it; skipping a few drinks of water before taking the test isn't going to harm you. Quoted:
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If they are really eyeballing samples for "dilution" just take an extra B-Complex vitamin in the morning. If you are truly clean it shouldn't be an issue. My understanding is when trace amounts of drugs show up and the some of the "is this really pee" numbers are a little low: if say THC metabolites show up but less than would normally trigger a positive, but the urine also seems weak, then you have an issue. If *no* illegal substances show up and your pee seems slightly diluted you should still get a pass. So when they check for dilution, it's more of a color thing and not a scientific measurement like water % in the urine? I am absolutely clean...I just don't want to get dinged on too diluted of a sample, but I also don't want to be dehydrated at the gym tonight. I start the new gig Monday, so rescheduling a second test if I get a "diluted" on the first, could be tricky. Chances are that you will be fine if you just follow your normal routine, but if you're worried about it; skipping a few drinks of water before taking the test isn't going to harm you. This post is helpful. I'm a pharmacist, an my dad's unofficial "expert witness"  (he works with bad guys). The test looks at specific gravity, which is a measure of other dissolved substances compared to water itself. Normal urine has a specific range from natural products your body expels such as urea and electrolytes. Creatinine is a natural product of muscle metabolism which is also found in urine as well.
Let's assume person A wants to 'beat the test' because they do drugs on a regular basis. They will buy one of those cleansing kits. Most of them involve you ingest some kind of herbal substance (which is worthless) and drink gallons and gallons of water. Drinking gallons will produce a dilute specimen and hopefully put the levels of illegal substances well below the threshold along with specific gravity and creatinine as well. The other type of kit involves putting a substance in the sample which will hopefully alter the metabolites. Unfortunately, the test will be positive for bleach, peroxide or whatever else was used. (A third type involves reconstituting and heating freeze-dried urine) Which brings us to you: if you exercise and drink a lot of water normally, you will most likely be fine. Continue your normal habits and don't drink gallons and gallons before the pee test. Eat a nice big steak the night before the test to boost your creatinine levels as well. Take your B-complex vitamins as usual for beautiful yellow urine. |
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I have never heard of that. I've had guys go hot, but never got a call back on diluted. Learn something every day. I hadn't heard of it either, but I suppose it makes sense if you are trying to dilute and hide something. If she hadn't told me to be mindful of the water intake, I wouldn't have even thought about it. So apparently they're not doing direct observation or thermometer readings. No idea. It's a large investment bank and they're sending me to a third party lab for the test. |
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Yeah, well, they can require the drug test. I'd pass the drug test. Fuck drug tests. I won't take them on principal. What I do when they aren't paying me for my time is not their business, at all. That depends on your occupation. Many jobs, I'd agree, others, not so much. Unfortunately many consequences of what you do the night before don't just go away when you clock in. If they did I'd feel different. This includes showing up hungover as well. |
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This post is helpful. I'm a pharmacist, an my dad's unofficial "expert witness" (he works with bad guys). The test looks at specific gravity, which is a measure of other dissolved substances compared to water itself. Normal urine has a specific range from natural products your body expels such as urea and electrolytes. Creatinine is a natural product of muscle metabolism which is also found in urine as well.
Let's assume person A wants to 'beat the test' because they do drugs on a regular basis. They will buy one of those cleansing kits. Most of them involve you ingest some kind of herbal substance (which is worthless) and drink gallons and gallons of water. Drinking gallons will produce a dilute specimen and hopefully put the levels of illegal substances well below the threshold along with specific gravity and creatinine as well. The other type of kit involves putting a substance in the sample which will hopefully alter the metabolites. Unfortunately, the test will be positive for bleach, peroxide or whatever else was used. (A third type involves reconstituting and heating freeze-dried urine) Which brings us to you: if you exercise and drink a lot of water normally, you will most likely be fine. Continue your normal habits and don't drink gallons and gallons before the pee test. Eat a nice big steak the night before the test to boost your creatinine levels as well. Take your B-complex vitamins as usual for beautiful yellow urine. Quoted:
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If they are really eyeballing samples for "dilution" just take an extra B-Complex vitamin in the morning. If you are truly clean it shouldn't be an issue. My understanding is when trace amounts of drugs show up and the some of the "is this really pee" numbers are a little low: if say THC metabolites show up but less than would normally trigger a positive, but the urine also seems weak, then you have an issue. If *no* illegal substances show up and your pee seems slightly diluted you should still get a pass. So when they check for dilution, it's more of a color thing and not a scientific measurement like water % in the urine? I am absolutely clean...I just don't want to get dinged on too diluted of a sample, but I also don't want to be dehydrated at the gym tonight. I start the new gig Monday, so rescheduling a second test if I get a "diluted" on the first, could be tricky. Chances are that you will be fine if you just follow your normal routine, but if you're worried about it; skipping a few drinks of water before taking the test isn't going to harm you. This post is helpful. I'm a pharmacist, an my dad's unofficial "expert witness" (he works with bad guys). The test looks at specific gravity, which is a measure of other dissolved substances compared to water itself. Normal urine has a specific range from natural products your body expels such as urea and electrolytes. Creatinine is a natural product of muscle metabolism which is also found in urine as well.
Let's assume person A wants to 'beat the test' because they do drugs on a regular basis. They will buy one of those cleansing kits. Most of them involve you ingest some kind of herbal substance (which is worthless) and drink gallons and gallons of water. Drinking gallons will produce a dilute specimen and hopefully put the levels of illegal substances well below the threshold along with specific gravity and creatinine as well. The other type of kit involves putting a substance in the sample which will hopefully alter the metabolites. Unfortunately, the test will be positive for bleach, peroxide or whatever else was used. (A third type involves reconstituting and heating freeze-dried urine) Which brings us to you: if you exercise and drink a lot of water normally, you will most likely be fine. Continue your normal habits and don't drink gallons and gallons before the pee test. Eat a nice big steak the night before the test to boost your creatinine levels as well. Take your B-complex vitamins as usual for beautiful yellow urine. Is excessive creatine an issue at all? I have a super high protein diet right now with a lot of natural creatine, but also have creatine in my pre workout drink. |
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Fresh beets as a vegetable the night before always results in some weird looks from the person you hand the cup to. We had random drug tests at my last job. I was tapped for one two minutes after I used the bathroom. Unable to produce enough urine I was informed that I was to sit in the medics office for an hour drinking water by the medic. I gave him the cup with the urine, a week later I'm told it was too diluted to check, so I got to do it again, but this time with the medic in the same room. I was happy to tell him what I though about his idea of sitting in his office drinking water. |
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Quoted: Is excessive creatine an issue at all? I have a super high protein diet right now with a lot of natural creatine, but also have creatine in my pre workout drink. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If they are really eyeballing samples for "dilution" just take an extra B-Complex vitamin in the morning. If you are truly clean it shouldn't be an issue. My understanding is when trace amounts of drugs show up and the some of the "is this really pee" numbers are a little low: if say THC metabolites show up but less than would normally trigger a positive, but the urine also seems weak, then you have an issue. If *no* illegal substances show up and your pee seems slightly diluted you should still get a pass. So when they check for dilution, it's more of a color thing and not a scientific measurement like water % in the urine? I am absolutely clean...I just don't want to get dinged on too diluted of a sample, but I also don't want to be dehydrated at the gym tonight. I start the new gig Monday, so rescheduling a second test if I get a "diluted" on the first, could be tricky. Chances are that you will be fine if you just follow your normal routine, but if you're worried about it; skipping a few drinks of water before taking the test isn't going to harm you. This post is helpful. I'm a pharmacist, an my dad's unofficial "expert witness" (he works with bad guys). The test looks at specific gravity, which is a measure of other dissolved substances compared to water itself. Normal urine has a specific range from natural products your body expels such as urea and electrolytes. Creatinine is a natural product of muscle metabolism which is also found in urine as well. Let's assume person A wants to 'beat the test' because they do drugs on a regular basis. They will buy one of those cleansing kits. Most of them involve you ingest some kind of herbal substance (which is worthless) and drink gallons and gallons of water. Drinking gallons will produce a dilute specimen and hopefully put the levels of illegal substances well below the threshold along with specific gravity and creatinine as well. The other type of kit involves putting a substance in the sample which will hopefully alter the metabolites. Unfortunately, the test will be positive for bleach, peroxide or whatever else was used. (A third type involves reconstituting and heating freeze-dried urine) Which brings us to you: if you exercise and drink a lot of water normally, you will most likely be fine. Continue your normal habits and don't drink gallons and gallons before the pee test. Eat a nice big steak the night before the test to boost your creatinine levels as well. Take your B-complex vitamins as usual for beautiful yellow urine. Is excessive creatine an issue at all? I have a super high protein diet right now with a lot of natural creatine, but also have creatine in my pre workout drink.  |
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Yeah, well, they can require the drug test. I'd pass the drug test. Fuck drug tests. I won't take them on principal. What I do when they aren't paying me for my time is not their business, at all. Spoken like your average, liberterarian, dope-smoking ARFCOMMER. Congratulations son! You're hired.... LMFAO |
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No, high creatine levels will not adversely affect the test...it might help you get over the minimum specific gravity though.
Absolutely confirmed. Continue on your meat diet. The only problem they're a problem is when you undergo rhabdomyolysis, when your muscles break down and clog your kidneys, turning your pee into coca-cola. This is usually only seen with people on statins and rare other circumstances and then only rarely. |
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Quick question - Switching jobs to a different bank and they require a piss test, which is fine with me. When I was talking with the woman, she said to be "mindful of water intake" as too much will dilute the piss and two consecutive "diluted" tests equal a fail. I am a BIG water drinker and go to the gym every night, so I am constantly downing water...my pee is always clear. How much water is too much? Do I need to skip the water at the gym tonight and just accept the lack of hydration? Is clear pee ok or do I need to get some color back into it by limiting my intake? Please and thank you. 2 dilutions is a fail??? never heard that before....id be making noise. i too was drinking lots of water for my diet last time i had to piss test. first try was too diluted. my recruiter asked me to take the test early in the day or before i drank water (essentially the same thing.....neither of which was going to happen. Especially because your first piss of the day contains the most waste so they were asking me to test positive for something as long as it wasnt an illegal drug.....go fuck yourself) "in spec" urine is 98% water.....so you are talking about a small window to begin with considering most people either dont drink enough water (unhealthy) or drink above recommended intake (trying to be healthy) go to local drugstore and get super b complex pills. b12 gives your urine color. so basically, as long as you pee water and a bit of yellow vitamin then you are good to go. fuck piss tests |
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Spoken like your average, liberterarian, dope-smoking ARFCOMMER. Congratulations son! You're hired.... LMFAO Quoted:
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Yeah, well, they can require the drug test. I'd pass the drug test. Fuck drug tests. I won't take them on principal. What I do when they aren't paying me for my time is not their business, at all. Spoken like your average, liberterarian, dope-smoking ARFCOMMER. Congratulations son! You're hired.... LMFAO well when you consider the amount of money wasted on piss tests in relation to that they are only "effective" at detecting THC and then only in the laziest of users (beating a urine test is an absolute joke) i understand where the guy is coming from. its an unnecessary infringement that is not useful. anywhere that is serious just does an immediate drug test after a workplace incident. this is much more effective. id rather be a libertarian than one of those sovereign tards who doesnt have a name or isnt a us citizen or whatever other shit they claim your average dope smoker can beat a piss test....and if roughly 50% of Americans have tried/use dope, you can assume at least 1/3 of your coworkers have/do as well....so clearly getting a job/keeping a job isnt a problem sorry its not a thread about how you followed the rules and got to wear a cape and crown saying "white knight" for the rest of the month....typical head in the sand puppet who hates dope/ink/non-combat firearms/really anything that doesnt fall in line with their narrow viewpoint of approved activities.....almost worse than a liberal |
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I don't need the detox stuff...passing the test isn't the issue. I just don't want to come in and get a diluted test since that seems sketchy. Test is tomorrow morning, so I'm wondering if the gym tonight is enough time to pass the water and be good by morning? Might want to skip your preworkout and/or ECA stack before the test so you dont get a false positive for amphetamines. |
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That depends on your occupation. Many jobs, I'd agree, others, not so much. Unfortunately many consequences of what you do the night before don't just go away when you clock in. If they did I'd feel different. This includes showing up hungover as well. Quoted:
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Yeah, well, they can require the drug test. I'd pass the drug test. Fuck drug tests. I won't take them on principal. What I do when they aren't paying me for my time is not their business, at all. That depends on your occupation. Many jobs, I'd agree, others, not so much. Unfortunately many consequences of what you do the night before don't just go away when you clock in. If they did I'd feel different. This includes showing up hungover as well. Well, if I'm hungover or can't do my job safely....I'm bringing my habits to work, no aren't I? Don't need a drug test to slap someone with a poor performance review for always being hung over or doing unsafe things. Same goes for any other actual issue I'd cite someone for. Going after their off-duty stuff is just chicken-shit. Go after their on-duty performance. It's the same result, and it's "less intrusive" my way. Also easier for me to document continual poor performance than it is to get a piss test requested.....and it usually also helps get them to work harder (if they were ever going to care) rather than a piss test...which comes off as intrusive and condescending. I get certain jobs (high danger, security clearances, etc)....and those get special treatment as a result.....but a regular old 9-5 job? Yeah, take your piss test and shove it up your asshole. That being said.....I can drink a beer with dinner every night of the week and not get hungover. (notice how I said A beer, not 10 beers). Just because some people can't control themselves doesn't mean I should have to be punished for it. |