[ARCHIVED THREAD] - E85 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/23/2011 6:24:59 PM EDT
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Has anybody who owns a flexfuel vehicle ever used a tank full of E85...ever?
I bought a flexfuel truck..and while I'm no fan of the ethanol contaminated gasoline sold around here...and generally only buy gas sold as alcohol free...I thought what the hell...I'll fill my truck up with gasoline contaminated ethanol just once to see how it runs and how sucky the mileage will be. 
Problem is...ain't any E85 to be had unless I drive 30 or 40 miles...six gas stations in my little town..and one even has a CNG fill station...but no E85 pumps. 
A google search only showed like 6 stations within 200 miles of me..and two of these are for guv vehicles. |
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I've heard reports from members here saying you get much lower gas mileage on E85 than you do on non-E85 fuel. You do, but sometimes, when the weather is right, the angels are singing, and the congress has shoveled enough tax dollars into the pockets of agribusinesses, ethanol can be cheap enough per gallon to more than make up the difference. Its still bullshit. 
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Quoted: The only thing E-85 is good for is making hippies feel better about themselves. The only thing CNG is good for is getting the gas companies' hopes up about everyone switching so they can jack up the price of natural gas to mesh with increased demand. plus more money for farmers. |
...has anybody ever burned any in their flexfuel vehicle?
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For shits and giggles, I ran a tank in my Tundra.
8.5 mpg 
Never again. I did find a station in south Louisiana that had good old 100% gasoline once, and ran a tank of that also. 14 mpg 
The ethanol added crap they sell all over now I get around 12 mpg for reference. |
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For shits and giggles, I ran a tank in my Tundra. 8.5 mpg
Never again. I did find a station in south Louisiana that had good old 100% gasoline once, and ran a tank of that also. 14 mpg
The ethanol added crap they sell all over now I get around 12 mpg for reference. I'm so sorry...My old F250 gets better mileage than that..
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Corn based ethanol is a waste, I am from Iowa and farmers. Yeah it raises the price of corn but it in turn makes the cost of producing the corn even higher. Good farm land is going for upwards of $10k an acre or if you rent the land the land owner wants to charge more per acre.
Fuck corn based ethanol. |
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Has anybody who owns a flexfuel vehicle ever used a tank full of E85...ever? I bought a flexfuel truck..and while I'm no fan of the ethanol contaminated gasoline sold around here...and generally only buy gas sold as alcohol free...I thought what the hell...I'll fill my truck up with gasoline contaminated ethanol just once to see how it runs and how sucky the mileage will be.
Problem is...ain't any E85 to be had unless I drive 30 or 40 miles...six gas stations in my little town..and one even has a CNG fill station...but no E85 pumps.
A google search only showed like 6 stations within 200 miles of me..and two of these are for guv vehicles. FLEXFUEL???!!! WTF!! Are you some kind of Communist?? 
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My dad's suburban is FF. He tried it for a period of time. The cost per/gal difference between it and regular unleaded does not make it a good choice. He lost about 30% of his MPG and was only saving a little less than 10%/gal by buying E-85.
IOW, it cost him 20% more to operate his vehicle on it than reg unleaded. Basically it is a rip off and a farce. |
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Has anybody who owns a flexfuel vehicle ever used a tank full of E85...ever? I bought a flexfuel truck..and while I'm no fan of the ethanol contaminated gasoline sold around here...and generally only buy gas sold as alcohol free...I thought what the hell...I'll fill my truck up with gasoline contaminated ethanol just once to see how it runs and how sucky the mileage will be.
Problem is...ain't any E85 to be had unless I drive 30 or 40 miles...six gas stations in my little town..and one even has a CNG fill station...but no E85 pumps.
A google search only showed like 6 stations within 200 miles of me..and two of these are for guv vehicles. FLEXFUEL???!!! WTF!! Are you some kind of Communist??
I ain't no commie!...I own 2 AR rifles and only one AK..
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For shits and giggles, I ran a tank in my Tundra. 8.5 mpg
Never again. I did find a station in south Louisiana that had good old 100% gasoline once, and ran a tank of that also. 14 mpg
The ethanol added crap they sell all over now I get around 12 mpg for reference. I'm so sorry...My old F250 gets better mileage than that..
So does my AM General HUMMER. 
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So..would I be better off burning a tire in my driveway..or burning a tank full of E85 through my new/used truck  IMO, steer clear of it. It is a proven loser and you will only be helping "fuel" the beast that created it. I really think I would be better off making my own ethanol...but you go to jail for that. 
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So..would I be better off burning a tire in my driveway..or burning a tank full of E85 through my new/used truck IMO, steer clear of it. It is a proven loser and you will only be helping "fuel" the beast that created it. I really think I would be better off making my own ethanol...but you go to jail for that.
Well, they were lookin' tryin' to book him but my pappy kept a cookin'..............
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I ran a few tankfuls through a previous truck I had. My new truck is also flexfuel but I will NEVER put that shit in the tank! Mileage absolutely sucked and the fuel was not that much cheaper, so there was no savings - it cost more. Plus despite having a flexfuel vehicle, the engine sounded horrible on the E85.
E85 no thanks.
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I thought about running a tank of E85 in my Sierra, but then decided fuck that. The nearest station is 30 miles away and it's only $.25 a gallon cheaper. I also thought about going to the marina up the street and filling up with 100% gasoline. But, you cannot put it directly in your tank (have to fill gas cans then transfer it into your car at home) and it's $4.39 a gallon for 89.
This sucks. Just give us our no ethanol fuel back!!!! |
| I have a 2008 Suburban. I tried E85 for a while and the mpg was dismal. I would get about 13.5 mpg on E85 versus 16 - 16.5 mpg on regular. I actually went through the calculations, and if I remember correctly, I determined that it had to be at least $0.60 less to break even. E85 is just not worth it for me or the USA. |
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For shits and giggles, I ran a tank in my Tundra. 8.5 mpg
Never again. I did find a station in south Louisiana that had good old 100% gasoline once, and ran a tank of that also. 14 mpg
The ethanol added crap they sell all over now I get around 12 mpg for reference. Mein Gott! That is horrible! |
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Many filling stations in my area and at least two in my town don't even offer anything other than 100% gasoline(or so they say). Seems like many places must not offer anything but low percentage blended gasohol according to some of the responses here. For about the last 5 years or so, I cannot find anything in my area that is not at least 10% ethanol blend.
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I am considering trying E85 in my work van. I only know of one place in the entire area that even offers it, and they just started.
The company pays for the fuel, so that isn't that big of an issue. The Truck is a 2010 Ford E250 with the flexfuel option. Gas mileage in the truck isn't spectacular to begin with, 9.9MPG in the summer with the AC on all the time, about 10.5 in the winter with very little AC or Defroster use, so it wouldn't take much of a loss to make it really bad. The one advantage I can see for the E85 is that it is about 50 cents a gallon cheaper, which come to about $15 on a fill up, and I fill up with about 30 gallons 2.5 times a week, so the savings to the company would be there, but only if I am not getting MPG with it. |
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So..would I be better off burning a tire in my driveway..or burning a tank full of E85 through my new/used truck IMO, steer clear of it. It is a proven loser and you will only be helping "fuel" the beast that created it. I really think I would be better off making my own ethanol...but you go to jail for that.
E85 will give you more power, about 5% than regular gas. |
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I run it through my 1975 BMW 2002 every once in a while just for shits and giggles ( boosted and I have a tune for it )
Fun as hell but I really don't need that much more than the 270ish hp I get on 91 in a 2000 pound car. The price difference here in 60 cents a gallon so for me it's a wash, but it's a pain to switch fuels as I have to empty the tank to do it ( no high dollar fuel sensor in my car ) and E85 isn't everywhere. |
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e85, less energy per gallon. so for it to be acceptable in a normal vehicle you need a larger tank and the cost per mpg needs to be the same, which it isnt. its right around mpg/dollar of high test 93 octane, perhaps a bit more.
however, more hp per gallon than even 100 octane unleaded. a ton more. i get around 400hp to the crank on a two liter turbo charged motor. the turbo and the tune are required for this. to find race gas these days that would produce the hp results, i would have to pay upwards of 10 dollars a gallon or more. ethanol from corn isnt cost effective. ethanol from waste products probably is if they can ramp up the technology. ethanol will wreck havoc in things that dont have ethanol approved gaskets, o-rings, fuel systems. today almost all cars made in the last 10 to 15 years can run ethanol if tuned without damage. in fact it will clean your motor. on the other hand, boat motors, 2 cycle motors, chain saws, lawn mowers, weed eaters, leaf blowers will become fucked if you run e10 (10 percent ethanol found in most urban pumps by law these days). my hope is that e85 becomes economically feasible. haters gotta hate, but you can go out, buy a ford gt500 with a few simple upgrades be running 800hp. and thats hard for me to hate. |
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UR fault, U bought a flexfuel truck. That runs great..on gasoline. 
I had heard the flexfuels pick up a bit of power on E85..and some of the responses here do seem to bear that out. However the few percent of power gained puzzles me. The stuff has less energy content per gallon....hmmmm...have to think about this...high octane rating would help...but octane ain't power..just helps prevent detonation for a smooth burn. I must call my engineer brother! He'll know.
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UR fault, U bought a flexfuel truck. That runs great..on gasoline.
I had heard the flexfuels pick up a bit of power on E85..and some of the responses here do seem to bear that out. However the few percent of power gained puzzles me. The stuff has less energy content per gallon....hmmmm...have to think about this...high octane rating would help...but octane ain't power..just helps prevent detonation for a smooth burn. I must call my engineer brother! He'll know. not a scientist, but i've seen it first hand. motor makes power by controlled burn expansion of the air fuel charge. pre-ignition (detonation) destroys engines and doesnt produce power. basically you are able to get more fuel+air into the cylinder and ignite it so that it burns correctly and produces more power than with regular or high test gas. despite the fact that there is less energy per volume in e85, you can get a bunch more of it into a motor to make power than with gasoline. |
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I've run a few tanks of it through my passenger car. My car normally gets between 25-28mpg on premium unleaded and when running E85 I get an average around 19-23. One of my employees occasionally runs it in his F-150 and he figures E85 needs to be around .40 cheaper per gallon in order to justiy filling up with it.
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You make more power on e85 than regular fuel, at least with forced induction. Like I said before it netted me about 30 more whp and torque in my STi. I'd run it in my car if there were more stations around in my area. There is only one in my area. I work 5 minutes from it. We'll see how this pans out with my commute to school. I might have to carry a laptop to switch back to 93... |