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5/21/2014 7:18:21 AM EDT
So, looking for new ear pro am wondering and looking at specs, how is a suppressor that is rated at 30db reduction still not open ear safe, but a lot of the ear pro is only rated at around -21-25db?  I understand that both is best.  I do shoot .223 suppressed without ear pro sometimes and it is still a touch loud.  I just don't understand the difference in the sound reduction.
5/21/2014 7:21:21 AM EDT
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I would still use light ear pro when shooting suppressed 5.56. Something like the Howard Leight electronic muffs would work well for under $50. Rimfire or subsonic 300 blk I would be comfortable shooting suppressed without ear pro.
5/21/2014 7:23:07 AM EDT
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Any noise you need to raise your voice to talk over will degrade your hearing.  

I would simply suggest using both.
5/21/2014 7:24:03 AM EDT
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I do when target shooting, just not usually hunting.  It is just weird to me that ear pro rating is often lower than a suppressor and is considered safe.
5/21/2014 7:28:14 AM EDT
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Any noise you need to raise your voice to talk over will degrade your hearing.  



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Yup.





 
5/21/2014 7:29:21 AM EDT
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You're talking about suppressing the sound at two very different points.  Your rifle is much noisier at the muzzle, so dropping the sound 25db there vs. at your ear results in different net levels.
5/21/2014 7:30:20 AM EDT
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I do when target shooting, just not usually hunting.  It is just weird to me that ear pro rating is often lower than a suppressor and is considered safe.
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I would still use light ear pro when shooting suppressed 5.56. Something like the Howard Leight electronic muffs would work well for under $50. Rimfire or subsonic 300 blk I would be comfortable shooting suppressed without ear pro.



I do when target shooting, just not usually hunting.  It is just weird to me that ear pro rating is often lower than a suppressor and is considered safe.


I double up if I'm shooting by myself. Ear plugs and then the muffs.
5/21/2014 7:30:44 AM EDT
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Having shot an unsuppressed AR indoors with hearing protection and a suppressed AR outdoors without hearing protection, I will say that I will wear hearing protection when shooting a suppressed AR in the future.


I don't think it was very loud when I was observing, but when I was shooting it made my ears ring.
5/21/2014 7:30:55 AM EDT
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suppressed .22lr , .300blk or 9mm. no ear pro


5.56 still wearing it.
5/21/2014 7:33:49 AM EDT
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I don't wear ears if I'm shooting my suppressed FV-SR (bolt action, if you didn't know) in .22LR with subsonic ammo.  Anything else, I wear ear pro.

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5/21/2014 7:34:54 AM EDT
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Is standard ear pro really adequate, or just better than nothing? I know if I'm shooting indoors or even just under a metal roof, I use plugs and muffs.
5/21/2014 7:37:48 AM EDT
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You're talking about suppressing the sound at two very different points.  Your rifle is much noisier at the muzzle, so dropping the sound 25db there vs. at your ear results in different net levels.
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Good answer, thank you very much.  The OP's question really piqued my interest, and your answer makes great sense.
5/21/2014 7:42:41 AM EDT
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Good answer, thank you very much.  The OP's question really piqued my interest, and your answer makes great sense.
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You're talking about suppressing the sound at two very different points.  Your rifle is much noisier at the muzzle, so dropping the sound 25db there vs. at your ear results in different net levels.


Good answer, thank you very much.  The OP's question really piqued my interest, and your answer makes great sense.



Agreed, that's a good point.
5/21/2014 7:43:24 AM EDT
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Is standard ear pro really adequate, or just better than nothing? I know if I'm shooting indoors or even just under a metal roof, I use plugs and muffs.
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I guess that is part of my question.  The reduction of most ear pro seems like it may not be.
5/21/2014 7:48:12 AM EDT
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Most hearing protection makes gunfire not cause immediate damage, but there still is a recommended limit to noise exposure. Most guns are 140+ db and the threshold of pain is usually recognized as 125 db, so a 150 db gun blocked down to 120 is not going to immediately damage you. A 150 db gun suppressed down to 120 and then blocked with muffs down to 90db is just plain fun.
5/21/2014 7:59:43 AM EDT
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Any noise you need to raise your voice to talk over will degrade your hearing.  

I would simply suggest using both.

Yup.

 

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5/21/2014 8:04:45 AM EDT
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I get that dull feeling in my ears after shooting multiple rounds of suppressed 5.56 but a few rounds ain't so bad.   I even shot my unsuppressed 7.5 once without earpro just to see how bad it is.  It is.
5/21/2014 8:11:40 AM EDT
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suppressed .22lr , .300blk or 9mm. no ear pro


5.56 still wearing it.
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This. Even the .45 was tolerable with no ear pro, but the 5.56 was a bit loud.
5/21/2014 8:19:43 AM EDT
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.308 from a 16.5" barrel was not too bad suppressed.  Just remember to put ear pro back on when you take the suppressor off and are running the brake only.  That was no fun.
5/21/2014 8:21:05 AM EDT
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Unsuppressed 5.56 with only foam plugs or muffs still isn't hearing safe.

I always double up -- plugs under Howard Leight earmuffs. If I'm the only one at the range I may take all ear-pro off for a few suppressed .22 or 9mm shots, but strictly for the lulz. Suppressed .223 is not hearing-safe.
5/21/2014 8:23:01 AM EDT
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suppressed .22lr , .300blk or 9mm. no ear pro


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Yep, a lot depends on the caliber and setting. Suppressed supersonic 5.56 indoor range? Ouch.

230gr .45 ball suppressed outside, no probs, the impact is louder than the gun going off.
5/21/2014 8:28:14 AM EDT
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Unsuppressed 5.56 with only foam plugs or muffs still isn't hearing safe.



I always double up -- plugs under Howard Leight earmuffs. If I'm the only one at the range I may take all ear-pro off for a few suppressed .22 or 9mm shots, but strictly for the lulz. Suppressed .223 is not hearing-safe.
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It's borderline depending on what you are wearing and the muzzle device and barrel length. A non -SBR without a brake shot by someone wearing 30 db plugs or muffs should be ok, but a braked SBR and 24 db plugs is asking for damage.