Posted: 3/27/2010 3:46:49 AM EDT
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Effective False Flag Operations – Advocating What They Try To Spin Away
Rather than always spending your time arguing and insulting your enemy, an effective way to use time responding to online comment / opinion sections, radio shows, blogs pages, forums etc is by becoming a true advocate and communicator of the what the underlying, extreme nature of the majorities’ acts and agenda is. You are never going to turn the suckle-ers to individualist absolutes. But you can open the eyes of the everyday non-poli centrists casually viewing newspaper and other comment sections or riding in their car. I have worked hard to develop the talking points, which coming from someone else would really raise my dander...and it pisses off the other side who are trying to “centra-normalize” their position. It s great to turn the Dems on you in a newspaper site for being to progressive. The able-bodied, entitlement crowd doesn’t vocalize the satisfaction and want for more. Think of how many eyes opened if for a brief second when we heard “I don’t have to worry about my mortgage and Obama is paying my gas” lady after his Florida rally ???? Everyday folks where like…wait, wut ? If you notice they spin and advocate away from the hardcore collectivist, redistributive policy and hide their intent behind a veneer of centrism focused through the shape shifting lens of the media. They do it here on ARF. OFA goes to great expense to distributes specific materials and seminars on how to make their positions not sound leftist / Marxist / redistributive / elitist…..etc…Yahoo comment sections are the best you can see the OFA drones normalizing collectiveism turn on you for effectively and sincerely promoting what they are trying to hide. So get the message out but not as an argumentative right winger but as a whack job collectivist...Some operational ideas: Be a forthright advocate of your new free insurance you are entitled to.. finally Obama did it ! Call amberlamps imz getting mine. Obama does need his own citizen force after all look at the homophobic, anti- muslim racist military. Obama is indeed paying my mortgage by reducing my balance..after all the bank made me sign something I didn’t understand..woo hoo !! Promote the racist domestic terror attacks witnessed this week as a need for Obama to use his federal, Interpol and HSA powers then join the arms UN treaties immediately as means to disarm the populace. More reason for the citizen force. Promote the desire to get your teens and children in something along the Obama Youth to prep them for service. We need laws and action to stop the “Teabaggers” and their hate speech We need Net Neutrality and the Fairness Doctrine to prevent anti-gov, racist Obama hate Always take the Obama / First Lady knows best as an Ivy league Constitutional law professor position on everything…trust the glorious ones they would not do things unconstitutionally. The constituion is outdated anyhow The HCR bill is an example of a progressive ideas in action Advocate for Illegal Alien Amnesty immediately so we can give them food, shelter . avotivg card and healthcare STAT its is a human condition emergency. |
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So what you are saying is Conservative ideas are not strong enough to stand on their own so it is necessary to misrepresent the ideas of the other side. No. The left (your side) is full of moonbat extremists who have successfully used the MSM to water down their moonbattery making their positions palatable to the general public. He's suggesting (I believe) to simply act like a normal moonbat and show the alleged moderates and fence sitters how fanatical the left truly is. |
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Quoted: Quoted: So what you are saying is Conservative ideas are not strong enough to stand on their own so it is necessary to misrepresent the ideas of the other side. No. The left (your side) is full of moonbat extremists who have successfully used the MSM to water down their moonbattery making their positions palatable to the general public. He's suggesting (I believe) to simply act like a normal moonbat and show the alleged moderates and fence sitters how fanatical the left truly is. I think this is the key part here: If you notice they spin and advocate away from the hardcore collectivist, redistributive policy and hide their intent behind a veneer of centrism focused through the shape shifting lens of the media. They do it here on ARF. OFA goes to great expense to distributes specific materials and seminars on how to make their positions not sound leftist / Marxist / redistributive / elitist…..etc…Yahoo comment sections are the best you can see the OFA drones normalizing collectiveism turn on you for effectively and sincerely promoting what they are trying to hide. OFAy being "Organizing for America" AKA barackobama.com |
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THe problem with the plan is A: we already have a steady supply of communist infiltrators taking the extreme positions (ie beargrillz, assmuncher, bucktoothtom, several long established team members, et al) and B: conservatives generally lack the ability to lie that well.
And no, I don't believe the aforementioned asshats are actually conservatives doing a reverse-Moby. |
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Quoted: THe problem with the plan is A: we already have a steady supply of communist infiltrators taking the extreme positions (ie beargrillz, assmuncher, bucktoothtom, several long established team members, et al) and B: conservatives generally lack the ability to lie that well. And no, I don't believe the aforementioned asshats are actually conservatives doing a reverse-Moby. Seems to me he is suggesting that by advocating some of the crazy things they're trying to gloss over, you can open some eyes. "But you can open the eyes of the everyday non-poli centrists casually viewing newspaper and other comment sections or riding in their car" Those people wouldn't do a double take otherwise. I don't see a problem with this. |
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THe problem with the plan is A: we already have a steady supply of communist infiltrators taking the extreme positions (ie beargrillz, assmuncher, bucktoothtom, several long established team members, et al) and B: conservatives generally lack the ability to lie that well. And no, I don't believe the aforementioned asshats are actually conservatives doing a reverse-Moby. Seems to me he is suggesting that by advocating some of the crazy things they're trying to gloss over, you can open some eyes. "But you can open the eyes of the everyday non-poli centrists casually viewing newspaper and other comment sections or riding in their car" Those people wouldn't do a double take otherwise. I don't see a problem with this. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand the intent and value. |
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If you need some examples of extreme batshit crazy leftist drivel that will drive centrists and slight-left leaning voters to our side simply peruse DU for a few minutes. Expose the democrat's actions and ideas for what they are: commie-pinko bullshit that will destroy this nation. |
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I had a U.S. History teacher do this once, and it was probably the most memorable lesson of my high school years. It was a summer course at a Catholic school so I guess he could get away with stuff that would have gotten him in trouble had he been at my public school. He spent one morning espousing Communism, talking about how wonderful it would be with perfect equality, how there would be no competition or anyone left out. He gave a lot of examples taken from our day to day lives that we could get our heads around. When students asked skeptical questions like why people would work he'd come up with some twisted logic to keep justifying collectivism. At the lunch break many of us spontaneously argued about his points in small groups the whole time. Well, this part would be cool but I don't see how that part would work at all, etc. Then first thing in the afternoon session he admitted that he'd made the whole thing up. He didn't really think Communism would work. By that point most of us were really engaged and ready to think about the arguments on both sides. |
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So what you are saying is Conservative ideas are not strong enough to stand on their own so it is necessary to misrepresent the ideas of the other side. My post does not state conservative, Republican or Democrat. I am an Orginalist Constitutionalist, individualist, Deist, with a slant toward Jeffersonian governance that believes a natural law abiding man has the right to do whatever he desires so long as his actions do not effect the property or prosperity of nature or another and when and if it does, swift and certain consequences are rendered after due process by a duly, elected government of the people. Hows that ? and with that foundation and through my 42 year old eyes and life experience, I see some of the operational exapmles cited above at the core of the Collectivist in the same way they see racism at the core of the Individualist. And as such....there are no misrepresentations. |
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Quoted: Quoted: So what you are saying is Conservative ideas are not strong enough to stand on their own so it is necessary to misrepresent the ideas of the other side. My post does not state conservative, Republican or Democrat. I am an Orginalist Constitutionalist, individualist, Deist, with a slant toward Jeffersonian governance that believes a natural law abiding man has the right to do whatever he desires so long as his actions do not effect the property or prosperity of nature or another and when and if it does, swift and certain consequences are rendered after due process by a duly, elected government of the people. Hows that ? and with that foundation and through my 42 year old eyes and life experience, I see some of the operational exapmles cited above at the core of the Collectivist in the same way they see racism at the core of the Individualist. And as such....there are no misrepresentations. Whatever POV you are backing your post and suggestion does say that your views are not strong enough to stand on their own and sabotaging the other side whomever they may be is the only way to promote yours. |
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Basically start acting like a full on Marxist in blog chats.
This is a form of COINTELPRO. An example is when the FBI infiltrates a Militia group with people that act Super extreme, these people try to get the Milita unit to do things that will get them in trouble. EXPOSE THE LEFT BY BEING A MARXIST.. many people need to understand where this is all going. |
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Whatever POV you are backing your post and suggestion does say that your views are not strong enough to stand on their own and sabotaging the other side whomever they may be is the only way to promote yours. "The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.If you actively opposed the Nazi occupation, and joined the underground resistance, then you adopted the means of assassination, terror, property destruction, the bombings of tunnels and trains, kidnapping, and the willingness to sacrifice innocent hostages to the end of defeating the Nazis. Those who opposed the Nazi conquerors regarded the Resistance as a secret army of selfless, patriotic idealists, courageous beyond expectation and willing to sacrifice their lives to their moral convictions. To the occupation authorities, however, these people were lawless terrorists, murderers, saboteurs, assassins, who believed that the end justified the means, and were utterly unethical according to the mystical rules of war. Any foreign occupation would so ethically judge its opposition. However, in such conflict, neither protagonist is concerned with any value except victory. It is life or death." Saul Alinsky from Rules for Radicals pg 26/27 |
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So what you are saying is Conservative ideas are not strong enough to stand on their own so it is necessary to misrepresent the ideas of the other side. No. The left (your side) is full of moonbat extremists who have successfully used the MSM to water down their moonbattery making their positions palatable to the general public. He's suggesting (I believe) to simply act like a normal moonbat and show the alleged moderates and fence sitters how fanatical the left truly is. In other words, trolling. 
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