[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Eliminating Homework--Great Idea (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 9/29/2016 9:24:53 PM EDT
http://www.today.com/parents/schools-try-no-homework-policies-amid-complaints-about-overload-1D80128324 Ain't Nobody Got Time Fo Dat |
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Quoted: It's got plusses and minuses. No need to dismiss it out of hand. Some schools give entirely too much homework. Some don't. Here's something novel, let the parents decide what the kid learns after school. And I was a victim of too much homework at times. But, I think when I got to college I was in better shape than some. But, I missed some time as a kid that I'll never get back. |
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I can see that. And I was a victim of too much homework at times. But, I think when I got to college I was in better shape than some. But, I missed some time as a kid that I'll never get back. Quoted:
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It's got plusses and minuses. No need to dismiss it out of hand. Some schools give entirely too much homework. Some don't. Here's something novel, let the parents decide what the kid learns after school. But, I think when I got to college I was in better shape than some. But, I missed some time as a kid that I'll never get back. My kids are going to test PHS by the end of 5th grade whether they have homework or not. It doesn't take more than 15,000 hours to get a kid ready for college if they have any business going. |
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Quoted: My kids are going to test PHS by the end of 5th grade whether they have homework or not. It doesn't take more than 15,000 hours to get a kid ready for college if they have any business going. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's got plusses and minuses. No need to dismiss it out of hand. Some schools give entirely too much homework. Some don't. Here's something novel, let the parents decide what the kid learns after school. But, I think when I got to college I was in better shape than some. But, I missed some time as a kid that I'll never get back. My kids are going to test PHS by the end of 5th grade whether they have homework or not. It doesn't take more than 15,000 hours to get a kid ready for college if they have any business going. |
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have 4, soon to be 5 kids that go to school 3,4,6,9,12 common core is garbage and no homework is beyond stupid.... why on earth dont they emulate countries that lead in education instead of just inventing new ways to fail. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. |
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can anybody here who is a teacher (or is married to one) confirm/deny whether teachers actually READ the homework assignments kids hand in?
I can understand "read chapter 4 of your history book tonight in preparation of tomorrow's class." I can understand "do this worksheet of 10 math problems tonight so I can quickly review it tomorrow to make sure you got the right answers." But I have also dealt with "do these 8 complete worksheets of 30 problems each, 2nd graders. I will grade them and enter the grades into the system where your parents can look them up online to see if you are flunking, but I will not do any corrective training for you if you get them all wrong, we're just gonna keep on rolling thru the syllabus." Pure busy-work. |
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Quoted: Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. Quoted: Quoted: have 4, soon to be 5 kids that go to school 3,4,6,9,12 common core is garbage and no homework is beyond stupid.... why on earth dont they emulate countries that lead in education instead of just inventing new ways to fail. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. |
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. |
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I've heard positives for no homework, but i cant remember from where. I have yet to hear any positives for homework, other than to reinforce by repetition the day's learning objectives -- which is fine until it turns into hours of homework. And the classic "by God, my dad whipped my ass with a belt if I didn't do 10 hours of homework every night, and I'll whip my kid's ass if he don't too!" I had to have the "You don't own my child 24 hours a day, you only teach them from 0830 to 1530, after that you are on MY time" argument with a teacher once (private school, front office learned to grasp the "I am a paying customer here" concept). When your 8yo happy loving daughter spends 3 hours a night on homework, and has become so sad that the teacher calls her "Miss Mopey," you know you have a homework problem. Eventually pulled her out, went to home-schooling. |
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Japan has several hours less per week than the US
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11453912/Homework-around-the-world-how-much-is-too-much.html I really support the Finnish homework system for younger kids....basically none. Hell, they dont start real school until they are 7 (they do have play based school before that though that is publicly funded) Kindergarteners shouldn't have homework assigned from the school. |
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I wonder how much time they spend on "johnny is a penguin with two,daddies " ? Quoted:
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have 4, soon to be 5 kids that go to school 3,4,6,9,12 common core is garbage and no homework is beyond stupid.... why on earth dont they emulate countries that lead in education instead of just inventing new ways to fail. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. If it's even 1 second, that is 1 second too much. |
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Quoted: I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. Quoted: Quoted: They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. And the child care problem that summer off creates goes away. |
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can anybody here who is a teacher (or is married to one) confirm/deny whether teachers actually READ the homework assignments kids hand in? I can understand "read chapter 4 of your history book tonight in preparation of tomorrow's class." I can understand "do this worksheet of 10 math problems tonight so I can quickly review it tomorrow to make sure you got the right answers." But I have also dealt with "do these 8 complete worksheets of 30 problems each, 2nd graders. I will grade them and enter the grades into the system where your parents can look them up online to see if you are flunking, but I will not do any corrective training for you if you get them all wrong, we're just gonna keep on rolling thru the syllabus." Pure busy-work. You got to admit though being able to see via computer real time grade level and missing assignments is nice. That being said I have been told by teachers that they have not updated it yet and the assignment may have been turned in- so I chewed some ass for something that was done 
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I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. There is no valid not to have year round school, this isnt an agricultural society anymore. I imagine we can all thank the teachers unions for the continued summer break. |
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If they eliminated homework, I would continue my kids' education at home even more. I teach my kids at home regardless of their assignments. I'm not a perfect parent, but I don't expect the school to be 100% responsible for my kids ' education. Over summer, they read, and learn, regardless of what the school sends home. Let the lazy be lazy. Less competition for my kids. |
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I have yet to hear any positives for homework, other than to reinforce by repetition the day's learning objectives -- which is fine until it turns into hours of homework. And the classic "by God, my dad whipped my ass with a belt if I didn't do 10 hours of homework every night, and I'll whip my kid's ass if he don't too!" I had to have the "You don't own my child 24 hours a day, you only teach them from 0830 to 1530, after that you are on MY time" argument with a teacher once (private school, front office learned to grasp the "I am a paying customer here" concept). When your 8yo happy loving daughter spends 3 hours a night on homework, and has become so sad that the teacher calls her "Miss Mopey," you know you have a homework problem. Eventually pulled her out, went to home-schooling. Quoted:
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I've heard positives for no homework, but i cant remember from where. I have yet to hear any positives for homework, other than to reinforce by repetition the day's learning objectives -- which is fine until it turns into hours of homework. And the classic "by God, my dad whipped my ass with a belt if I didn't do 10 hours of homework every night, and I'll whip my kid's ass if he don't too!" I had to have the "You don't own my child 24 hours a day, you only teach them from 0830 to 1530, after that you are on MY time" argument with a teacher once (private school, front office learned to grasp the "I am a paying customer here" concept). When your 8yo happy loving daughter spends 3 hours a night on homework, and has become so sad that the teacher calls her "Miss Mopey," you know you have a homework problem. Eventually pulled her out, went to home-schooling. The only homework my 2nd grader gets is his spelling words for the week. |
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You got to admit though being able to see via computer real time grade level and missing assignments is nice. That being said I have been told by teachers that they have not updated it yet and the assignment may have been turned in- so I chewed some ass for something that was done
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can anybody here who is a teacher (or is married to one) confirm/deny whether teachers actually READ the homework assignments kids hand in? I can understand "read chapter 4 of your history book tonight in preparation of tomorrow's class." I can understand "do this worksheet of 10 math problems tonight so I can quickly review it tomorrow to make sure you got the right answers." But I have also dealt with "do these 8 complete worksheets of 30 problems each, 2nd graders. I will grade them and enter the grades into the system where your parents can look them up online to see if you are flunking, but I will not do any corrective training for you if you get them all wrong, we're just gonna keep on rolling thru the syllabus." Pure busy-work. You got to admit though being able to see via computer real time grade level and missing assignments is nice. That being said I have been told by teachers that they have not updated it yet and the assignment may have been turned in- so I chewed some ass for something that was done
Yes, that feature is nice. But, I have seen it lead to the teacher taking zero responsibility for informing the parent there is a problem with grasping the material or not handing in assignments. Sure, parent can look online quickly and see Lisa has straight Ds. "But in a class of 19 kids in 2nd grade, the teacher is too busy to do that" is what they told me. Right -- because teacher is too busy grading f***ing homework! |
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Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. Quoted:
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have 4, soon to be 5 kids that go to school 3,4,6,9,12 common core is garbage and no homework is beyond stupid.... why on earth dont they emulate countries that lead in education instead of just inventing new ways to fail. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. Finland has phenomenal public education but, it's not *because* of the lack of homework. They have a metric shit ton of national investment in education. for instance: Teachers in Finland spend fewer hours at school each day and spend less time in classrooms than American teachers. Teachers use the extra time to build curriculums and assess their students. Children spend far more time playing outside, even in the depths of winter. Homework is minimal. Compulsory schooling does not begin until age 7. “We have no hurry,” said Louhivuori. “Children learn better when they are ready. Why stress them out?” It’s almost unheard of for a child to show up hungry or homeless. Finland provides three years of maternity leave and subsidized day care to parents, and preschool for all 5-year-olds, where the emphasis is on play and socializing. In addition, the state subsidizes parents, paying them around 150 euros per month for every child until he or she turns 17. Ninety-seven percent of 6-year-olds attend public preschool, where children begin some academics. Schools provide food, medical care, counseling and taxi service if needed. Student health care is free. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/#WvAEH2FyTu3KgHlB.99 Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter |
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I can only imagine what the teacher unions would have to say about that. Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I can only imagine what the teacher unions would have to say about that. What about the tourism industry? I bet they'd just love it  . There's a reason why several states have mandated a school start date after Labor Day.
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Quoted: They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. |
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There is no valid not to have year round school, this isnt an agricultural society anymore. I imagine we can all thank the teachers unions for the continued summer break. Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. There is no valid not to have year round school, this isnt an agricultural society anymore. I imagine we can all thank the teachers unions for the continued summer break. They tried to float that in VT last year or the year before. Parents were not for it at all. It disappeared pretty quickly. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: I can only imagine what the teacher unions would have to say about that. Quoted: Quoted: They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I can only imagine what the teacher unions would have to say about that. |
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Finland has phenomenal public education but, it's not *because* of the lack of homework. They have a metric shit ton of national investment in education. for instance: Teachers in Finland spend fewer hours at school each day and spend less time in classrooms than American teachers. Teachers use the extra time to build curriculums and assess their students. Children spend far more time playing outside, even in the depths of winter. Homework is minimal. Compulsory schooling does not begin until age 7. “We have no hurry,” said Louhivuori. “Children learn better when they are ready. Why stress them out?” It’s almost unheard of for a child to show up hungry or homeless. Finland provides three years of maternity leave and subsidized day care to parents, and preschool for all 5-year-olds, where the emphasis is on play and socializing. In addition, the state subsidizes parents, paying them around 150 euros per month for every child until he or she turns 17. Ninety-seven percent of 6-year-olds attend public preschool, where children begin some academics. Schools provide food, medical care, counseling and taxi service if needed. Student health care is free. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/#WvAEH2FyTu3KgHlB.99 Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter Quoted:
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have 4, soon to be 5 kids that go to school 3,4,6,9,12 common core is garbage and no homework is beyond stupid.... why on earth dont they emulate countries that lead in education instead of just inventing new ways to fail. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. Finland has phenomenal public education but, it's not *because* of the lack of homework. They have a metric shit ton of national investment in education. for instance: Teachers in Finland spend fewer hours at school each day and spend less time in classrooms than American teachers. Teachers use the extra time to build curriculums and assess their students. Children spend far more time playing outside, even in the depths of winter. Homework is minimal. Compulsory schooling does not begin until age 7. “We have no hurry,” said Louhivuori. “Children learn better when they are ready. Why stress them out?” It’s almost unheard of for a child to show up hungry or homeless. Finland provides three years of maternity leave and subsidized day care to parents, and preschool for all 5-year-olds, where the emphasis is on play and socializing. In addition, the state subsidizes parents, paying them around 150 euros per month for every child until he or she turns 17. Ninety-seven percent of 6-year-olds attend public preschool, where children begin some academics. Schools provide food, medical care, counseling and taxi service if needed. Student health care is free. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/#WvAEH2FyTu3KgHlB.99 Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter Yah, but does it have to do with this: The Personal Income Tax Rate in Finland stands at 51.60 percent. Personal Income Tax Rate in Finland averaged 53.03 percent from 1995 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 62.20 percent in 1995 and a record low of 49 percent in 2010. Personal Income Tax Rate in Finland is reported by the Finnish Tax Administration.
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They tried to float that in VT last year or the year before. Parents were not for it at all. It disappeared pretty quickly. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. There is no valid not to have year round school, this isnt an agricultural society anymore. I imagine we can all thank the teachers unions for the continued summer break. They tried to float that in VT last year or the year before. Parents were not for it at all. It disappeared pretty quickly. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Of course parents weren't for it. They did it the old way and they turned out just fine. "Think of the children! They won't have a SUMMER VACATION, how will they survive!?!?!?!" Buncha fucking morons, the whole retarded lot of them. Frankly, this just gets me back to completely privatizing all schools. No more public education. Everyone gets to pick the school that suits their needs and budget. That way the only people who *can* complain about policy are the people who are paying the people they're complaining to. |
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I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. Summer vacation used to be for actual family time - that model is long gone with dad (if he is even still in the picture) working 2 jobs & mom working all day too . Teachers unions will never let it go - they get 12 months of pay for 10 months of work (not including the vacations they get for X-Mas, "mid-winter recess," & whatever else there is). |
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Parent of two, here (one in 9th grade, one in 3rd):
I'd really prefer that schools just treated a day like a workday. Make it 8-5. Whatever schoolwork you need to do can surely be accomplished in that time. Seriously. I really don't understand the idea of having your kid work a short day, then come home to do 3 hours of homework. Is there a reason we couldn't have taken care of this during the day? And more to the point, is there a practical reason - in 2016 - that we make children absolutely stop learning for nearly 3 months in the summer? They're not working crops, here. 
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have 4, soon to be 5 kids that go to school 3,4,6,9,12 common core is garbage and no homework is beyond stupid.... why on earth dont they emulate countries that lead in education instead of just inventing new ways to fail. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. Finland has phenomenal public education but, it's not *because* of the lack of homework. They have a metric shit ton of national investment in education. for instance: Teachers in Finland spend fewer hours at school each day and spend less time in classrooms than American teachers. Teachers use the extra time to build curriculums and assess their students. Children spend far more time playing outside, even in the depths of winter. Homework is minimal. Compulsory schooling does not begin until age 7. “We have no hurry,” said Louhivuori. “Children learn better when they are ready. Why stress them out?” It’s almost unheard of for a child to show up hungry or homeless. Finland provides three years of maternity leave and subsidized day care to parents, and preschool for all 5-year-olds, where the emphasis is on play and socializing. In addition, the state subsidizes parents, paying them around 150 euros per month for every child until he or she turns 17. Ninety-seven percent of 6-year-olds attend public preschool, where children begin some academics. Schools provide food, medical care, counseling and taxi service if needed. Student health care is free. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/#WvAEH2FyTu3KgHlB.99 Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter Yah, but does it have to do with this: The Personal Income Tax Rate in Finland stands at 51.60 percent. Personal Income Tax Rate in Finland averaged 53.03 percent from 1995 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 62.20 percent in 1995 and a record low of 49 percent in 2010. Personal Income Tax Rate in Finland is reported by the Finnish Tax Administration.
Absolutely. You'll note I didn't say it was a model I wanted to emulate. You need a quasi-socialist government to pull it off. I'm not willing to pay 50 percent in taxes to give some welfare slag 2 years off and an extra 150 bucks a month every time she pumps out a new kid. |
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It's got plusses and minuses. No need to dismiss it out of hand. Some schools give entirely too much homework. Some don't. Here's something novel, let the parents decide what the kid learns after school. Or increase the workload as the kids mature and develop so that they're capable fo actual work and thinking as adults. Crazy I know. |
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I can only imagine what the teacher unions would have to say about that. Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I can only imagine what the teacher unions would have to say about that. Glorified babysitters can only work 1440 hours (180 days) per year - unlike the rest of us they apparently need the rest of that time off... |
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Of course parents weren't for it. They did it the old way and they turned out just fine. "Think of the children! They won't have a SUMMER VACATION, how will they survive!?!?!?!" Buncha fucking morons, the whole retarded lot of them. Frankly, this just gets me back to completely privatizing all schools. No more public education. Everyone gets to pick the school that suits their needs and budget. That way the only people who *can* complain about policy are the people who are paying the people they're complaining to. You were held back one year, weren't you? |
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can anybody here who is a teacher (or is married to one) confirm/deny whether teachers actually READ the homework assignments kids hand in? I can understand "read chapter 4 of your history book tonight in preparation of tomorrow's class." I can understand "do this worksheet of 10 math problems tonight so I can quickly review it tomorrow to make sure you got the right answers." But I have also dealt with "do these 8 complete worksheets of 30 problems each, 2nd graders. I will grade them and enter the grades into the system where your parents can look them up online to see if you are flunking, but I will not do any corrective training for you if you get them all wrong, we're just gonna keep on rolling thru the syllabus." Pure busy-work. The latter was much of my grade school experience. No value added whatsoever. |
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Summer vacation used to be for actual family time - that model is long gone with dad (if he is even still in the picture) working 2 jobs & mom working all day too . Teachers unions will never let it go - they get 12 months of pay for 10 months of work (not including the vacations they get for X-Mas, "mid-winter recess," & whatever else there is). Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. Summer vacation used to be for actual family time - that model is long gone with dad (if he is even still in the picture) working 2 jobs & mom working all day too . Teachers unions will never let it go - they get 12 months of pay for 10 months of work (not including the vacations they get for X-Mas, "mid-winter recess," & whatever else there is). Summer was never about family time. It was about reducing the state budgets, allowing rural kids to help with the farm chores and keeping kids from dropping dead of heat exhaustion while sitting in a class room. It may have been later adopted as "fun time for the family" but, since the world rebuilt itself after we bombed it flat in WWII, we're in a 2 income household world now. Summer vacation was a sacrifice that was necessary when it was implemented. Now it's a benefit that everyone feels entitled to. |
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Of course parents weren't for it. They did it the old way and they turned out just fine. "Think of the children! They won't have a SUMMER VACATION, how will they survive!?!?!?!" Buncha fucking morons, the whole retarded lot of them. Frankly, this just gets me back to completely privatizing all schools. No more public education. Everyone gets to pick the school that suits their needs and budget. That way the only people who *can* complain about policy are the people who are paying the people they're complaining to. You were held back one year, weren't you? No. Why? Does it make you feel better about it happening to you if you pretend that's common? |
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I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. Summer is a period of families moving to new locations, vacations, summer camps, and transitioning to the next grade. It's far more than just an issue of air conditioning. We had summer school with no air conditioning, and even Alaska and Norway had summer breaks. |
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I can only imagine what the teacher unions would have to say about that. So he doesn't even really "teach" at all... Since we're bitching about stuff, why the fuck do we still have libraries anyway? Everyone has broadband at home, each library costs millions of tax dollars per year to run, & it puts even more people in the state retirement system. 
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Finland has phenomenal public education but, it's not *because* of the lack of homework. They have a metric shit ton of national investment in education. for instance: Teachers in Finland spend fewer hours at school each day and spend less time in classrooms than American teachers. Teachers use the extra time to build curriculums and assess their students. Children spend far more time playing outside, even in the depths of winter. Homework is minimal. Compulsory schooling does not begin until age 7. “We have no hurry,” said Louhivuori. “Children learn better when they are ready. Why stress them out?” It’s almost unheard of for a child to show up hungry or homeless. Finland provides three years of maternity leave and subsidized day care to parents, and preschool for all 5-year-olds, where the emphasis is on play and socializing. In addition, the state subsidizes parents, paying them around 150 euros per month for every child until he or she turns 17. Ninety-seven percent of 6-year-olds attend public preschool, where children begin some academics. Schools provide food, medical care, counseling and taxi service if needed. Student health care is free. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/#WvAEH2FyTu3KgHlB.99 Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter Quoted:
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have 4, soon to be 5 kids that go to school 3,4,6,9,12 common core is garbage and no homework is beyond stupid.... why on earth dont they emulate countries that lead in education instead of just inventing new ways to fail. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. Finland has phenomenal public education but, it's not *because* of the lack of homework. They have a metric shit ton of national investment in education. for instance: Teachers in Finland spend fewer hours at school each day and spend less time in classrooms than American teachers. Teachers use the extra time to build curriculums and assess their students. Children spend far more time playing outside, even in the depths of winter. Homework is minimal. Compulsory schooling does not begin until age 7. “We have no hurry,” said Louhivuori. “Children learn better when they are ready. Why stress them out?” It’s almost unheard of for a child to show up hungry or homeless. Finland provides three years of maternity leave and subsidized day care to parents, and preschool for all 5-year-olds, where the emphasis is on play and socializing. In addition, the state subsidizes parents, paying them around 150 euros per month for every child until he or she turns 17. Ninety-seven percent of 6-year-olds attend public preschool, where children begin some academics. Schools provide food, medical care, counseling and taxi service if needed. Student health care is free. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/#WvAEH2FyTu3KgHlB.99 Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter Finland has a 2-month long summer break, and a longer winter break than most U.S. schools. |
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Summer is a period of families moving to new locations, vacations, summer camps, and transitioning to the next grade. It's far more than just an issue of air conditioning. We had summer school with no air conditioning, and even Alaska and Norway had summer breaks. Quoted:
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They need to get rid of summer vacation & keep the little bastards in school year round to better prepare them for the real world. They might even learn something in the process. I have ALWAYS been a proponent of full year school years. I have yet to hear a compelling rational argument to the contrary. 0830 - 330 every day for a year is 1820 hours. Say we give them 6-8 weeks a year "vacation" which can be taken just like any you do at your job. All at once, a couple of weeks at a time a few times a year, a day here and there all year long. Summer vacation is counter productive. It creates a child care conflict for dozens of millions of families. Everything recently learned is allowed to decay and must be revisited at the beginning of the new school year. Habits and sleep schedules are broken and must be re-learned. Summer vacation is an anachronism from a time when school houses couldn't cool themselves adequately. It's no longer necessary and should be wholly abolished and abandoned as bad policy. Summer is a period of families moving to new locations, vacations, summer camps, and transitioning to the next grade. It's far more than just an issue of air conditioning. We had summer school with no air conditioning, and even Alaska and Norway had summer breaks. Keep reading. Summer camps only exist so parents have a place for kids to go while they can't go to school. Why can't vacation be scheduled on a per student basis? Why did you neglect all of the other points. You're a generally rational and thoughtful guy. Can you give me a rational argument for a 3 month break in learning? |
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have 4, soon to be 5 kids that go to school 3,4,6,9,12 common core is garbage and no homework is beyond stupid.... why on earth dont they emulate countries that lead in education instead of just inventing new ways to fail. Finland has one of the best education systems in the world and homework is minimal. Finland has phenomenal public education but, it's not *because* of the lack of homework. They have a metric shit ton of national investment in education. for instance: Teachers in Finland spend fewer hours at school each day and spend less time in classrooms than American teachers. Teachers use the extra time to build curriculums and assess their students. Children spend far more time playing outside, even in the depths of winter. Homework is minimal. Compulsory schooling does not begin until age 7. “We have no hurry,” said Louhivuori. “Children learn better when they are ready. Why stress them out?” It’s almost unheard of for a child to show up hungry or homeless. Finland provides three years of maternity leave and subsidized day care to parents, and preschool for all 5-year-olds, where the emphasis is on play and socializing. In addition, the state subsidizes parents, paying them around 150 euros per month for every child until he or she turns 17. Ninety-seven percent of 6-year-olds attend public preschool, where children begin some academics. Schools provide food, medical care, counseling and taxi service if needed. Student health care is free. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/#WvAEH2FyTu3KgHlB.99 Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter Finland has a 2-month long summer break, and a longer winter break than most U.S. schools. Of course, if you'd read all the way through the thread, you'll note I don't advocate adopting the Finnish model. |