Posted: 10/29/2008 1:05:56 PM EDT
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Can somebody explain the whole concept of gun registration?
Doesn't the FBI already have a database of all the guns which are legally sold and who owns them? I know gun registration is bad because then the government can look up exactly how many guns everybody owns, etc... But can't they do that now? Serial numbers are recorded everytime a gun is sold. Aren't those serial numbers linked to the person who bought the gun? |
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It is a precursor to confiscation Explain further please. I am not arguing I just do not understand what is different about gun registration and the current process. Isn't the current process of recording all serial numbers gun registration? Couldn't the government take the database of serial numbers today and go around and confiscate everybody's guns? |
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Supposedly there is no national gun registration in the US. The FBI keep records of background check numbers only, and the BATFE tracks wholesale sales, but the only definitive record of a retail sale is the 4473 you complete at the FFL. He keeps a copy on record and it never gets sent to the federal government (until he goes out of business, then sends them to BATFE for "safe keeping"). If a gun is used in a crime, then it can be traced to the buyer via the manufacturer=>wholesaler=>FFL=>buyer, but not beyond there (unless the buyer kept records of further sale). Officially the US government does not have any database to refer to.
Of course, the Dems would LOVE to implement national registration, which serves two important purposes: (1) it is a PITA for the buyer, and thus discourages/reduces gun ownership, and (2) it is an essential precursor to confiscation, which is of course the real end-game. With the current paper trail, there is really no other legitimate reason for national registration. |
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Supposedly there is no national gun registration in the US. The FBI keep records of background check numbers only, and the BATFE tracks wholesale sales, but the only definitive record of a retail sale is the 4473 you complete at the FFL. He keeps a copy on record and it never gets sent to the federal government (until he goes out of business, then sends them to BATFE for "safe keeping"). If a gun is used in a crime, then it can be traced to the buyer via the manufacturer=>wholesaler=>FFL=>buyer, but not beyond there (unless the buyer kept records of further sale). Officially the US government does not have any database to refer to. Of course, the Dems would LOVE to implement national registration, which serves two important purposes: (1) it is a PITA for the buyer, and thus discourages/reduces gun ownership, and (2) it is an essential precursor to confiscation, which is of course the real end-game. With the current paper trail, there is really no other legitimate reason for national registration. THIS |
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Can somebody explain the whole concept of gun registration? Doesn't the FBI already have a database of all the guns which are legally sold and who owns them? I know gun registration is bad because then the government can look up exactly how many guns everybody owns, etc... But can't they do that now? Serial numbers are recorded everytime a gun is sold. Aren't those serial numbers linked to the person who bought the gun? No, they don't. |
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It is a precursor to confiscation Explain further please. I am not arguing I just do not understand what is different about gun registration and the current process. Isn't the current process of recording all serial numbers gun registration? Couldn't the government take the database of serial numbers today and go around and confiscate everybody's guns? I don't know how it is in your state, but here I can sell another resident a gun cash & carry style, no background check, no records. 20 years later BATF&E can come looking for me when they collect 4473s and go to confiscate all guns, but all I can say is "I sold it". With a registration system (like cali, or HI that I know of,) they can throw you in jail if you either don't have the gun that is registered to you, or have a gun that isn't registered. |
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Supposedly there is no national gun registration in the US. The FBI keep records of background check numbers only, and the BATFE tracks wholesale sales, but the only definitive record of a retail sale is the 4473 you complete at the FFL. He keeps a copy on record and it never gets sent to the federal government (until he goes out of business, then sends them to BATFE for "safe keeping"). If a gun is used in a crime, then it can be traced to the buyer via the manufacturer=>wholesaler=>FFL=>buyer, but not beyond there (unless the buyer kept records of further sale). Officially the US government does not have any database to refer to. Of course, the Dems would LOVE to implement national registration, which serves two important purposes: (1) it is a PITA for the buyer, and thus discourages/reduces gun ownership, and (2) it is an essential precursor to confiscation, which is of course the real end-game. With the current paper trail, there is really no other legitimate reason for national registration. Excellent. Thank you. |
| Its something only stupid white people do............the criminals doing all the murdering with illegal firearms are the same ones voting 72 times each to get the militant Marxist Black Panther elected president who wants to make guns illegal.....kind of ironic isn't it. |
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Can somebody explain the whole concept of gun registration? Doesn't the FBI already have a database of all the guns which are legally sold and who owns them? I know gun registration is bad because then the government can look up exactly how many guns everybody owns, etc... But can't they do that now? Serial numbers are recorded everytime a gun is sold. Aren't those serial numbers linked to the person who bought the gun? No, they don't. If they find a gun that was used in a crime, they can go straight to the manufacture and find out the distributer that bought it, then the store he sold it to, then from there the end user, but as I said above, it could have been LEGALLY sold since then, you may have even taken it to another dealer and put it on a 4473 to the new owner, but they will track from the manufacturer. |
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1) Heller foreclosed any chances of confiscation, as long as you can ensure that your firearm is covered by the 2nd. Right now, handguns (although not what type) are explicitly covered.
2) The government never, ever, passes up the chance to mine data. The U.S. Government is the biggest holder of data in the world. If you think they don't keep 4473s in a database of some sort, you're delusional. |
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Supposedly there is no national gun registration in the US. The FBI keep records of background check numbers only, and the BATFE tracks wholesale sales, but the only definitive record of a retail sale is the 4473 you complete at the FFL. He keeps a copy on record and it never gets sent to the federal government (until he goes out of business, then sends them to BATFE for "safe keeping"). If a gun is used in a crime, then it can be traced to the buyer via the manufacturer=>wholesaler=>FFL=>buyer, but not beyond there (unless the buyer kept records of further sale). Officially the US government does not have any database to refer to. Of course, the Dems would LOVE to implement national registration, which serves two important purposes: (1) it is a PITA for the buyer, and thus discourages/reduces gun ownership, and (2) it is an essential precursor to confiscation, which is of course the real end-game. With the current paper trail, there is really no other legitimate reason for national registration. Excellent. Thank you. That is why I WILL NEVER EVER REGISTER MY WEAPONS, even if i was breaking the law. If anyone one comes asking about it< all i am going to say is that there was a horrible boating accident.[img='middle']http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif[/img] |
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1) Heller foreclosed any chances of confiscation, as long as you can ensure that your firearm is covered by the 2nd. Right now, handguns (although not what type) are explicitly covered. 2) The government never, ever, passes up the chance to mine data. The U.S. Government is the biggest holder of data in the world. If you think they don't keep 4473s in a database of some sort, you're delusional. Can Heller be overruled with new Supreme Count judges? I sure hope not! |
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1) Heller foreclosed any chances of confiscation, as long as you can ensure that your firearm is covered by the 2nd. Right now, handguns (although not what type) are explicitly covered. 2) The government never, ever, passes up the chance to mine data. The U.S. Government is the biggest holder of data in the world. If you think they don't keep 4473s in a database of some sort, you're delusional. Can Heller be overruled with new Supreme Count judges? I sure hope not! any decision can be overruled. |
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1) Heller foreclosed any chances of confiscation, as long as you can ensure that your firearm is covered by the 2nd. Right now, handguns (although not what type) are explicitly covered. 2) The government never, ever, passes up the chance to mine data. The U.S. Government is the biggest holder of data in the world. If you think they don't keep 4473s in a database of some sort, you're delusional. Can Heller be overruled with new Supreme Count judges? I sure hope not! Being explicitly overruled is unlikely. Being narrowly construed is far more likely. |
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1) Heller foreclosed any chances of confiscation, as long as you can ensure that your firearm is covered by the 2nd. Right now, handguns (although not what type) are explicitly covered. 2) The government never, ever, passes up the chance to mine data. The U.S. Government is the biggest holder of data in the world. If you think they don't keep 4473s in a database of some sort, you're delusional. Can Heller be overruled with new Supreme Count judges? I sure hope not! i believe that SCOTUS has the ability to revisit cases if/when they want. this is why keeping obama out of the oval office is so viatally important to the people who believe in the 2A. obama in the office guarantees the status quo, which is *barely* right on gun issues, and could potentially swing the court left. a mccain nomination shuts down SCOTUS to gun control for a long time. |