Posted: 5/7/2005 11:52:03 AM EDT
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How overthrowing a foreign government that didn't do anything to us is ensuring our freedom. Preventative measures for a problem that doesn't exist?. You all lap up this whole "fighting for our freedom" thing wherever it is, yet I've never seen an explanation as to how this war is doing anything for us in any way. This is an honest question, but I'm really not expecting a real answer... It's the ARFCOM way to call everybody a troll and be done with it. hinking.gif |
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must be a dull day over at DU We went in with the intel that they had bio/chem weapons in large quantities. apparently it would appear that everybody's intel was wrong(not just the USA, but everybody). We did however shut down a large number of terrorist training camps, unseat a dictator who may well have aided the 9/11 attacks, and freed a nation. |
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Look what is happening in Iran. They are on the verge of overthrowing their leaders. We didn't even fire a shot. I really believe Afghanistan was the first step, and the easiest one, and then Iraq, which was the next easiest, which will make the others easier when thei time comes. (Syria comes to mind) |
so other than the attempted assignation plot of a former president and occasionally shooting a missle or two at our jets patroling the northern "No Fly" zone? EPOCH ETA: since Cyanides been gone it's been a while since I had to post this pic 
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logic and truth wont work on people who get their history from michael moore "documentaries" |
have ya seen another large scale terrorist act on US soil since 9/11? it's called taking the fight to the enemy. Like it or not Saddam did harbor and train known terrorists. the CIA <not bush> blew it on the Intellegence to a point. I fully beleieve he did have an active biological/chemical program. that is something that is easy to scrub and hide with a bit of planning and time. both of which he had plenty of before the war started. Saddam was a sadistic murderer and needed to go. Iran hopefully will not be far behind. It's a good thing i am not in charge of the button or the whole damned shithole of a region would be a glass parking lot. |
It is not an honest question it is TROLLING. If you don’t think Hussein was a problem that did not exist well live well in your delusions... TROLL. |
Well, let me enlighten you then Al-Zarqawi group claims allegiance to bin Laden: 'We will listen to your orders,' group tells al Qaeda boss CNN Article |
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I am not sure that Iraq had no "WMD". The "UN Inspectors" were compromised, possibly paid off. Iraq had plenty of time to hide weapons. There was the high radiation levels found on an unknown underground level at one of their research facilities. This sublevel was unknown to the UN Inspectors. Old drums and containers taken from the site and used by the locals for drinking water gave them radiation sickness. At least one "mobile lab" was found that had been sterilized. Why, if it was for "agricultural research"? Why build a mobile lab if it was all on the up and up? And this one found looked to be one described as one of the many secret labs for producing biowarfare materials. A huge convoy of tractor trailer rigs was seen leaving Iraq, crossing over to Syria, and apparently buried in pits near Syrian military bases. What was in those trucks? Do you not remember this? Why do you chose to ignore it? And Iraqi WMD was not all a figment of President Bush's imagination. This was reported to us by other world leaders, and by the former President Clinton and the Democratic leadership in our legislature. Apparently they all were so caught up in saying "Bush lied" that they forgot the words thay came from their own mouths. |
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Okay, first of all, the general definition of "troll" is "One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument". Did I do this? No. I asked you all a pretty simple question, because apparently I missed all the hundreds of terrible, nasty things Saddam Hussein did to us before 9/11. Simple as that. Thanks to those who could actually hold back on the flames for your answers. Now I am enlightened. Good day. |
yes lets also not forget that saddam was in VIOLATION of the terms ending gulf war 1. Had he not agrred to those terms bagdad would have been over run the first time. HE agreed to inspections and oversee to end the war. He did not allow them.... hostilities resumed and he was deposed. The CIA believeing he was harboring WMD was not the only reason we went back in. The sending of forces to overtake kuwait by saddam began the war. Gulf war 1 never really ended it was more of a cease fire based on saddams willingness to comply. He didn't, he got his ass kicked. |
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Hussien's Iraq funded international terrorism. There are numerous examples; the most glaring was his policy of paying US$25,000 to the family of any palestinian who died bombing Israeli citizens. His reign brough nothing save ruin, death and destruction to the people of Iraq. He needed to go. |
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I think there are two answers to the question - one more proximal, and one more distal. In an immediate sense, was Saddam Hussein's Iraq a THREAT to the U.S.? I think the honest answer to that question is "NO" Of course he wasn't. He might have been providing some support to anti-Israeli terrorists, but he would have nothing to do with fundamentalist islamic terrorists, because they hated his secular regime. However, from a more long-term persepctive, overthrowing his Iraq might be the ONE decisive move that helps to ensure American security for decades to come. By establishing a "forward base" in the middle east. By fighting for FREEDOM and demonstrating to impressionable youth that America is not the great Satan, but is all about individual freedom. By encouraging freedom and democracy (although I am still holding my breath on Iran and Afghanistan). By drawing terrorists towards our military forces in Iraq instead of our civilians in Cleveland. By sending a clear message to Syria and others that we CAN take them out, and we have the WILL to do so if necessary. There are so many long-term benefits to this that can play out, that it certainly will have been "worth it" and WILL help ensure our security in the future. Ultimately, no matter how you look at it, it was a global "good deed" - Saddam was a psychotic dictator, who was dangerous as hell, both to his own people and to countries around him. So getting rid of him was DEFINITELY a "good thing". That cannot be debated. But yeah - if you look at the very narrow technical question of whether Saddam ACTUALLY posed a thread, then the answer is "no" - but of course HE was part of the reason that intelligence services got it wrong, because he was always trying to play a bluff and wanted people to BELIEVE that he had the WMD's. |
Play that "Troll" card first and steal their thunder? I don't think so...  That's the oldest trick in the liberals' book, make counter accusations before the point is even made. Anyway, you asked so here it is right up your pooper and I intend to post pics afterward!  1. How about W saying "Syria, get the fuck out of Lebanon, NOW! " and they did, without firing a single shot. 2. Libya, "Qadaffi, shape up or your next." OK, we accept your agreement to put down the nukes and back away slowly. 3. Afghanistan, we know Russia worked on you for 10 years and failed. How about some true-free elections? OK! 4. Pakistan, take some notes from Afghanistan. 5. BLUE FINGERS ALL THE FUCK OVER IRAQ!  6. Kuwait, feel any safer with us in the neighborhood, or would you rather that we just "go home"? 7. Egypt, what's this we hear that you're going to have your first REAL elections in years AND that wimminz is gonna get to vote this time? 8. Uday, Qusay, Republican Guard, "Saddam's Martyrs", and a few thousand gassed Kurds. (I'll give you a batch deal on those, it's Happy Hour!  9. Saddam Hussein himself out of power, THE (former) BIGGEST WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN THE WORLD!  10. (drum roll, please) NOT ONE SINGLE FUCKING TERRORIST STRIKE ON US SOIL SINCE THIS WHOLE MESS BEGAN! Now that I have spanked your happy-ass soundly, Blick, get your sorry, spanked troll ass back over to DUh where you belong! I'm giving myself a new sig line on this one! |
Because the US government forbids it's citizenry to take out their aggressions on people who submit dumb ass shit on ARF, namely you.  So to satisfy our frustrations we enlist our fighting men and women to invade foreign lands in a futile attempt to drive the price of oil ridiculously low and install puppet regimes favorable towards the US policy of world domination, global deforestation and unofficially, the slaughter of all newborn Lamas.  Now perhaps we should bring all US forces home and instead of policing the world, we should round up “geniuses” like you and be aloud to beat them with a 4 foot bamboo pole. This would satisfy the our collective pent up aggressions caused by subduing the natural tendency to want to surgically place a foot squarely in the anus of , well, “honorable, patriotic citizens”, such as yourself. Commie pinkos, who continually troll discussion boards where their spineless views and limp wristed opinions are neither valued, nor sought.  This approach, would keep the troops home, sane the rain forest and allow young lamas to enjoy long and fruitful lives. I hope I was able to shed some light on the subject so you can return to reading your Hanoi Jane memoirs.  |
1. You did not "spank my happy-ass". Actually, you gave me some more answers to my question. Thanks. he
This is pretty much a moot point, since it's not like they were happening every day beforehand.
Ever heard of a lurker? It's somebody that reads and doesn't post. Don't jump to conclusions. I just love how great you people make yourselves out to be. hinking.gif |
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What you fair to understand is that the whole middle east has been a problem area for a long time. After 50+ years of the USA nipping at the problem around the edges, George W. Bush finally came along and had the guts to attack the problem at it's core. So we went after Afganistan and then Iraq. If you look at a map you will see that we now occupy to large land mass area smack dab in the heart/middle of the middle east, plus Iraq was a sea access via Kuwait. So now we have a place to set up military bases and commense operation from there for the next 50+ years or so. Gotta love when a plan comes together. Sgatr15 |