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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:11:32 PM EDT
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So DRVN Automotive, a conglomeration of "simulacrum" mfg units - including a modern E-types and 355 reinterpretation has "partnered with Ford" and licensed RS200 for reengineering and release.
They've revived the Boreham name (Boreham was the site of Ford Rally works until shuttered by Ford just after the turn of the century). I've mixed feelings about this, being a longtime Ford Rally disciple. I'd hoped they'd release more than a tease by now but obviously playing a longer game. So I'll defer judgment until I see what exactly the effort consists of, how examples are constructed, and what the drivetrain/powerplant looks like. Still it's intriguing since even non-works examples trade dearly anymore. The days of $60-70k thresholds are well gone. Its all press-play at the moment, but some info at the link below. Attached File Attached File https://drvnautomotivegroup.com/brands/boreham-motorworks/ Since everybody wants a Rally MK1 Escort, they're set to do those as well. Less keen about that. |
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Originally Posted By stinkypol: I'll take the Kimera EVO37 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_6411_jpeg-3313082.JPG View Quote Call Graham? Seriously that's who has the few in the States |
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Neat!
I won't be able to afford one, much less to buy one to tear up in the rally woods, but neat! |
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The Focus RS drivetrain would be a good start for it. Maybe make the ediff stronger (better cooled) if they want to do real rally though.
I'd fucking love a restomod of an Audi Quattro with a first gen TTRS drivetrain in it. That would be the tits. A chick that looks like Mich le Mouton to ride along with me wouldn't hurt either. |
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Originally Posted By stinkypol: I’ll take the Kimera EVO37 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_6411_jpeg-3313082.JPG View Quote I think I'm in love, boys.. |
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Originally Posted By crownvic96: The Focus RS drivetrain would be a good start for it. Maybe make the ediff stronger (better cooled) if they want to do real rally though. I'd fucking love a restomod of an Audi Quattro with a first gen TTRS drivetrain in it. That would be the tits. A chick that looks like Mich le Mouton to ride along with me wouldn't hurt either. View Quote Non Cosworth is a non starter for me. Ain't happening but def a drawback for me. https://home.mobile.de/LCEPERFORMANCE#ses LCE is prolly the closest. Or Retropower UK. Ken Block did a Quattro very well. Fuck I wonder what happened to it |
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Now a RS200 evo would be fun…held the record for 0-60 mph until the veyrion showed up decades later
Alas I was just a poor with a RS1600i back in my youth… |
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: Non Cosworth is a non starter for me. Ain't happening but def a drawback for me. https://home.mobile.de/LCEPERFORMANCE#ses LCE is prolly the closest. Or Retropower UK. Ken Block did a Quattro very well. Fuck I wonder what happened to it View Quote Aw come on, the RS drivetrain had Cosworth tuned/designed all over the original marketing materials. |
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Originally Posted By fosters: Now a RS200 evo would be fun held the record for 0-60 mph until the veyrion showed up decades later Alas I was just a poor with a RS1600i back in my youth View Quote The 2.8s 0-60/ 7.3s - 100 was Stig driving. B200YEV (Chassis 014) for Autocar. I have that issue in my library somewhere. Unofficial. Allen Fenwick went on to to set the Guinees mark at 3.06/3.08 - 3.07 avg. He did it in his personal car (Chassis 182). He was the RS200 Owner Club Head. |
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Are these street cars modeled after the Spec B rally cars or straight up rally cars?
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Originally Posted By Ayada: Aw come on, the RS drivetrain had Cosworth tuned/designed all over the original marketing materials. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ayada: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Non Cosworth is a non starter for me. Ain't happening but def a drawback for me. https://home.mobile.de/LCEPERFORMANCE#ses LCE is prolly the closest. Or Retropower UK. Ken Block did a Quattro very well. Fuck I wonder what happened to it Aw come on, the RS drivetrain had Cosworth tuned/designed all over the original marketing materials. Attached File Do it like this! I'm down. Proper. Otherwise it's a Mazda engine from Cleveland (or Valencia) where Ford valued out the Cossie content. Love both but I don't want it in a RS200. Even a rep. FFS this is def going to be 6 figures throw some bones Bro-HAM. Attached File If that route I'd buy this and go Subie Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Are these street cars modeled after the Spec B rally cars or straight up rally cars? View Quote Street replicas like the rest of their lines. Given current technology they should top the 2100cc cars. Maybe not the RallyCross cars, but the vanilla EVOs that made 500hp. They'll prolly get power steering (EPAS tho) like the EVO S cars, and likely AirCon, which only a couple EVO S got equipped. They prolly won't have selectable 2/4WD like the works cars. What makes the RS 200 special is the hair-shirt quality, Its fucking miserable not moving in heat. The more you suffer, the more it shows you really care, Right? |
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Call me when Porsche restart 959 production.
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"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Call me when Porsche restart 959 production. View Quote Canepa will completely reengineer yours to an 800 hp, modern update for a mil. Like Rod Emory's stuff, anything that guy touches will be worth more to some dude richer than you who doesn't want to cool his heels, so it money in the bank. |
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Browning Hi-Power, the side arm of the free world
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I had a L-reg Escort Mexico that I turned into a Dutton S4 when it massively failed it's MOT
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: Canepa will completely reengineer yours to an 800 hp, modern update for a mil. Like Rod Emory's stuff, anything that guy touches will be worth more to some dude richer than you who doesn't want to cool his heels, so it money in the bank. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Step 1: find and buy one of the only 200 made... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Canepa will completely reengineer yours to an 800 hp, modern update for a mil. Like Rod Emory's stuff, anything that guy touches will be worth more to some dude richer than you who doesn't want to cool his heels, so it money in the bank. 294 Komforts, 29 Sports - John Dixons was never rebuilt I was told, so 293. Prolly others. Bruce always has a few so he'd cut one loose for upgrade I'm sure. |
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Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: I had a L-reg Escort Mexico that I turned into a Dutton S4 when it massively failed it's MOT View Quote Attached File Wow. Everyone remembers for them for the Sports - especially the Seven-ish kits. I thought their weird ass Matra Rancho knock-off SUV kits were . . I dunno. Who wants a Rancho? Who wants a Rancho knock off?! Who wants a Rancho knock off built on an Escort!!? Peeps did. Attached File But hell there weren't many (any I can recall in the early 80s) inexpensive small SUVs and prolly cheaper than many estates. Ford did them dirty. BTW that thing was FWD too. |
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6: It's a mid engine so not really. This was the problem with the RS200 chassis that were being made for a while, there was no AWD transmission available that fit the form factor so you had to build them RWD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By crownvic96: The Focus RS drivetrain would be a good start for it. Maybe make the ediff stronger (better cooled) if they want to do real rally though. It's a mid engine so not really. This was the problem with the RS200 chassis that were being made for a while, there was no AWD transmission available that fit the form factor so you had to build them RWD. Who made reps beside RS Motorsports? Think those were Sierra based |
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: Who made reps beside RS Motorsports? Think those were Sierra based View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By crownvic96: The Focus RS drivetrain would be a good start for it. Maybe make the ediff stronger (better cooled) if they want to do real rally though. It's a mid engine so not really. This was the problem with the RS200 chassis that were being made for a while, there was no AWD transmission available that fit the form factor so you had to build them RWD. Who made reps beside RS Motorsports? Think those were Sierra based Some guys in the south of England made a repro body/chassis for a while. Yes they used a sierra sapphire as a donor plus a Porsche (I think) gearbox. ETA RS Retro are still making them, apparently. Some people are building them with MR2 engine and transmission, now that sierras are basically all gone, which isn't at all the same layout and I'd guess they have to compromise the rear suspension arrangement to accommodate that. I am 100% down for a good RS200 but someone needs to make a suitable transmission. |
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What about Ken Block’s hoonigan rs200?
[HOONIGAN] DT 161: Ken Block’s Dream Car – 1986 Ford RS200 Ken Block's Ford RS200 Group B Rally Car on the Street, Meeting Up With Travis Pastrana! Also RIP Ken Block. |
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Some guys in the south of England made a repro body/chassis for a while. Yes they used a sierra sapphire as a donor plus a Porsche (I think) gearbox. ETA RS Retro are still making them, apparently. Some people are building them with MR2 engine and transmission, now that sierras are basically all gone, which isn't at all the same layout and I'd guess they have to compromise the rear suspension arrangement to accommodate that. I am 100% down for a good RS200 but someone needs to make a suitable transmission. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By crownvic96: The Focus RS drivetrain would be a good start for it. Maybe make the ediff stronger (better cooled) if they want to do real rally though. It's a mid engine so not really. This was the problem with the RS200 chassis that were being made for a while, there was no AWD transmission available that fit the form factor so you had to build them RWD. Who made reps beside RS Motorsports? Think those were Sierra based Some guys in the south of England made a repro body/chassis for a while. Yes they used a sierra sapphire as a donor plus a Porsche (I think) gearbox. ETA RS Retro are still making them, apparently. Some people are building them with MR2 engine and transmission, now that sierras are basically all gone, which isn't at all the same layout and I'd guess they have to compromise the rear suspension arrangement to accommodate that. I am 100% down for a good RS200 but someone needs to make a suitable transmission. Def an issue with Ford's choice, from very early, to pursue balance with a front located transaxle. Peugeots effort also had the the entirety of the engine (transverse) and gearbox in front of the rear axle line, so there were other solutions. Lancia was more mid-rear but similar. Attached File FF Development (who did most of the Group B 4WD systems) was sold to Ricardo. They still have the competency and some of the personnel, at least recently. I've heard the scuttle, and I'm sure the various components can be recreated, but I question at what cost. Which is a significant aspect. The LB Specialist Stratos is viable since it's a fraction of the cost of what a Lancia is. DRVN and Boreham Motorworks likely, but better realize this as well. Yea I'd want original RS 200 setup. Cossie, FF, the honeycomb/aramis epoxy matrix/space frame chassis. Southgates effort should remain intact I'd even want the selectable 4WD/RWD of the works cars. But yea selectable , not that there's anything wrong with RWD per se, Attached File But all the shit that made the RS 200 interesting and desirable is what's gonna make it untenable in replica. I really don't want panels on a bespoke tube setup. With some non-authentic power plant. And Haldex. Fuck that. I'd do without even it was just north of $100k, which I'm sure it won't be. |
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Next please add the Capri to the models
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RIP Jeff Reed. Tennessee Squire, Ga. Carry member, NRA,Non-puking 72 ounce drinker 2 of 6 Norcal call sign, Forgotten.
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2708_jpeg-3315897.JPG Wow. Everyone remembers for them for the Sports - especially the Seven-ish kits. I thought their weird ass Matra Rancho knock-off SUV kits were . . I dunno. Who wants a Rancho? Who wants a Rancho knock off?! Who wants a Rancho knock off built on an Escort!!? Peeps did. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2711_jpeg-3315916.JPG But hell there weren't many (any I can recall in the early 80s) inexpensive small SUVs and prolly cheaper than many estates. Ford did them dirty. BTW that thing was FWD too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: I had a L-reg Escort Mexico that I turned into a Dutton S4 when it massively failed it's MOT https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2708_jpeg-3315897.JPG Wow. Everyone remembers for them for the Sports - especially the Seven-ish kits. I thought their weird ass Matra Rancho knock-off SUV kits were . . I dunno. Who wants a Rancho? Who wants a Rancho knock off?! Who wants a Rancho knock off built on an Escort!!? Peeps did. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2711_jpeg-3315916.JPG But hell there weren't many (any I can recall in the early 80s) inexpensive small SUVs and prolly cheaper than many estates. Ford did them dirty. BTW that thing was FWD too. This was mine Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: This was mine https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41426/20230916_161248_jpg-3316106.JPG View Quote That's awesome. MOT loss, your gain |
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After an interesting afternoon yesterday where I was hit with this! when I asked what about the new examples a "licensed Boreham" was bringing to market. First told to stuff my worship of "decrepit Hewland shit, you fucks always screw up progress. You should pray for GKN involvement - but there'll be none"amongst other quips. When I asked who will be supplying driveline - this >
"What makes you think they're producing anything?" WELL SHIT. The continuation model refers to the Escort MK1. Definitely seems to be differing language for each. After a discussion of DRVN's other entities, which modify, restore, restomod or rebuild E-Types, Landies, 355's, the agreement amongst a number of guys who have some excellent insight, was "it's loving care of original RS200s". When you parse the language out there and look at the other endeavors, refurb not reproduce looks consistent. "The cost of redeveloping all of it, even if new proven powertrains from whomever could provide, isn't economically feasible at the likely volume. Blueprint accurate RS200!? You realize some of that was handed off and required to use from the defunct RS1700T and reworked. It's not Ineos, it won't be Sir Jim, and it's not what they do now" so fuck right off. Nice to have a high standard go to, but this doesn't look like it 'lol be expanding the available number, and it won't be like LP for Stratos. I'm not betting against any of their opinions given backgrounds, but watch the announcements to see how it goes. I'm pretty certain they are correct. I wasn't real excited at the prospect of modern reinterpretation, but now kinda disappointed it's solely maintenance and not new rides, so hope they aren't. |
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https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1144390_ford-sierra-rs500-carbon-piranha-is-a-one-off-restomod Been a lot of scuttle about the 148 project, how it was bringing back RS500 production, as a continuation model. This settles that. There's again a mention at the end of DRVN/Boreham's effort. "Continuation" is quite a spectrum. From Bentley Mulliner's Speed Six full on period correct (process/materials as well as design) to Superformance 2/3rd compatible GT40 to JLR Series 1 Reborn. From everything I've gathered appears the Escort is toward Bentley and the RS200 more the Landie program. So the term tells us little. The "series production" note creates more questions. But auto journalism often has. Still, I've jumped to learn more. If it's a full on "tool room" copy, at a significant savings, I'm very interested. If it loses its bespoke Hewland front transaxle, with its combined gearbox and diffs, and hybrid chasiss, I'm less enthused. No doubt there much to be said for newer, differently packaged, fully electronic solutions. But the quip “ Boreham promises that both the RS200 and Escort will deliver an analog driving experience comparable to the originals” means somebody gets what’s important. Now to see if they deliver. My bet, if they go original, the late configurations you saw in at the end of the race program, and the RallyCross experience would make sense. Mike Endean had a reworked setup for later competition. Perhaps Xtrac is involved. That would also make sense. I do understand the peek-a-boo, pig in a poke pre-launch marketing. The need to create interest is constrained by some production and financial realities. But some is intentional to mask shortcomings, which I’m less understanding about. Ineos very late, disclosed a sole franchise dealer for the models in the Midwest. Chicago (halfway to Milwaukee in Lake Bluff) , Silver Springs, MD or maybe High Point NC. 3-4+ hours nearest. I redeemed my reservation, No such concerns here, but many of us sure as shit would love to know what DRVN is actually doing. Beyond the RS200 and Escort MK1, curious what the other 3 model DRVN has licensed are? |
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