Posted: 2/27/2007 11:44:43 PM EDT
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What is it exactly? Thanks in advance. |
That's the correct definition. |
Fudd... As in Elmer Fudd... A derogatory term leveled at the crusty deer/duck-hunter community - the folks who fire 5 rounds a year, think no one needs anything but a 30-30 lever action and a 12GA long-bbl shotgun, and believe the AR is not suitable for hunting 'because it doesn't shoot a big enough boolit'... |
| It's a very childish and immature insult directed at hunters by arm chair commandos usually living in mom and dad's basement. It is used by defense rifle enthusiasts that don't understand hunters or the outdoors. They want other gun rights activists to stand with them on 2nd Amendment protection issues, as long as they can insult them at will. Instead of trying to build bridges with fellow gun owners, some of the mentally challenged would rather try to look cool in black rifle conversations. It's really sad, but these people are just as bad as the hunters that don't understand why people want rifles for defense and hurt the cause for everyone. |
Last time I checked: This house is owned by me. I have hunted all my life and still do, with the recent addition of my son to the hunting fraternity I have 3 generations of us hunting together. Dad, me, son. I've NEVER EVER have questioned anyones choice of rifle to hunt with. I cannot however, say the same thing of some of my fellow hunters who don't shoot anything the rest of the year other than during deer season. You sir need to pull your head out of your ass. |
I have never been so stupid as to alienate a fellow gun owner that has a common goal with me. I have also never been so arrogant as to belittle someone just because they don't understand why I own black rifles. I think you may need the the head relocation from the smart ass. |
It sounds like you are much more stupid than that, you are preaching peace,love,and unity with a group of people who want the EBRs banned. Any gun owner or hunter who promotes gun bans should be shunned, period. |
Sorry, but...If you think the derogatory term "FUDD" is directed at hunters in general, then you havent been paying attention. It is (as pointed out MANY times on this board) directed at the people who think the 2A is about hunting, and think anything but a good ole' huntin rifle is evil. It should also be pointed out that it is the "FUDDS", themselves who brought it on. They are the ONLY gunowners who say things like "There is no practical use for that AR15, nobody needs one of those, you cant hunt with it"..."Go ahead Mrs. Fienstien, ban those things...I cant hunt with them anyway". That is the root of the polarization. |
Then apparently your comprehension skills are just as bad as the reading skills. I don't recall any sight of the words "peace, love, or, unity" in any of my posts. Only the incredibly arrogant stupidity in dividing a group of people that aren't as strong as they need to be in the first place. I do agree with your second point. Yes, all should be shunned that advocate or promote any gun ban. So should anyone trying to divide supporters of the fight to save the 2nd. A good start from our side would be to expose stupidity and ignorance at every turn from our side. Such as using petty, punk insults instead of actually doing something to educate those unfamiliar with the benefits of a defense rifle. |
Hunters not savvy with the meaning as determined by the internet SS door gunner smart ass take it as an insult to all hunters. That's just the way it is. It then drives a wedge between UBR guys and ones that have never had a chance to be properly exposed to them. It makes everyone with a black rifle look like a condescending arrogant asshole. It doesn't help in any way. It's exactly like using the "N" word. Nobody cares as to your explanation of why you used it, or to whom it was directed. It's inflammatory in a time that we need every friend and supporter we can get. |
Christ Almighty, that is a stupid leap. The Zumbofudds of the world are not our friends or supporters and never will be, no matter how nicely we might speak of them. So fuck the Fudds. I have no use for some idiot who will happily vote away our EBRs, because his crack-action shotgun isn't on the chopping block yet. And you will note, EBR fans aren't trying to get those crack-action shotguns (or hunting, for that matter) banned. It is a subset of the hunters, 'the Fudds', who are playing Benedict Arnold here. |
It doesn't matter what I think. But it does matter what hunters that occasionally lurk this board think when they see us insulting them. Have you ever thought that people that have never held a UBR may come here to see what they are all about? Then how does it look to be calling hunters Elmer "Fudds". It's not fair, but in the real world perception is reality. If we're perceived to be bashing hunters, then in reality we are doing exactly that. Nobody's going to post your opinion of what a "Fudd" is on another board, or in a newspaper headline. Just the fact that we are separating ourselves from other gun owners. No different than what Zumbo tried to do. |
Have you paid ANY attention to the press this whole thing has gotten lately? Instead of even pro-2nd, conservative outlets talking about the issues of the subject, they keep coming back to the widening divide between us, and the smart assed "Fudd" insult. As for the comparison with the "N" word, it's spot on. Keep fucking with other gun owners, but don't cry like a bitch when we have no friends to fight with us. |
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TaterSalad, you do understand that not all hunters are being called Fudds, just the ones that for years and years have been calling us names. I'm 48 years old, have owned an AK47 and AR15 for well over 20 years and being looked down on is really getting old. I've talked myself blue explaining my side of the issue and even last night had a 40 minute talk on the subject with a hunter that fits the Fudd mold. The true Fudds have been selling us out for years and many of us have tried to convert them. There are also many hunters that have no interest in the Black Rifles but would never think of supporting a ban on any type gun. These guys are not the Fudds. |
I understand that. I understand exactly what people mean when they use the term. My point is that the general public doesn't. They see it as an insult by "the radical" part of gun owners attacking "the sensible" side. That's the way it gets spun, and we lose. I've converted dozens of die hard "fudd" to the bone guys with just a mag or two. I've never made a friend or ally by insulting or belittling someone. |
The only 'divide' is from the Zumbos and other Fudds breaking off from the herd in a preemptive bid to sell us out. If you are so concerned about 'education' and 'building bridges' or whatever the hell, why not go to a hunting board and 'educate' them about the differences between a hunter a Fudd? Regardless, the MSM will never, and I do mean NEVER, weigh in favorably on EBRs and other Fudd Kryptonite. Never-ever. They will, however, take up the cause of the EBR-hating Fudds with the glee we are currently witnessing. Best to make OUR presence known to the industry and to our congress critters, rather than simper and cringe and try to send an olive branch to gun-grabbers like Zumbo or the other idiots who agree with him. |
That's my take on the issue as well. I don't hunt much but would never suggest that something is wrong just because it isn't my hobby. The hunters who would sell us out are acting all butt hurt because they are called Fudds, then expect us to just sit by when our hobby is called a terrorist activity. |
I see clearly now. Zumbo insults us by calling us terrorists, so in mature retaliation we call hunters Fudds. That makes perfect sense. One good divisive insult deserves another. And no one would have to go to other boards to try to explain why some gun owners insult them if it didn't happen to begin with. |
Make sure you exxplain to them that if they support the 2A they are not being called a FUDD. If they mirror big Jim's earlier opinion then yes FUDD is certainly less repugnant than TRAITOR. |
 I'm not going anywhere to explain shit to anybody. I don't call hunters "Fudds". I agree that there are many that have no use for defense rifles, but I don't insult them. The 2nd is about arms period. Not hunting or black rifles. |
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"And no one would have to go to other boards to try to explain why some gun owners insult them if it didn't happen to begin with." I thought this to mean that you were in fact needing to explain to your friends on other boards why they were being insulted and wished to clarify exactly who the slur was directed at. |
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Here it is. Anti Second Amendment bad. Hunting good. Target shooting good. Self defense good. If nobody noticed, the AR is made in many calibers; many great for hunting. No, all great for hunting. Depends on what you hunt. So there are many who do hunt with ARs. If the gun rag writers don't acknowledge that, they are ignorant and should be treated as such. As many of us have done, vote with your wallet. It works. And keep hammering those politicians with letters, emails and comments in the blogs. |
YOu know what? THAT IS NOT MY PROBLEM. In this fight you are either wit us or agin us! So what are you proposing? that some ignorant fool hears the word "fudd" takes it as an insult to all hunters and then decides to join the GUn banners becuase of that? Ludicris. Besides i find it funny that you say "WE" are insulting hunters when you come on here and refer to US as "armchair commandos". So maybe becuase you insulted me i should now donate money to the Million mom march? Most of these types of people would willingly sell us EBR's owners out and we know it, YOU DONT! So i think maybe a little insulting is in order to those who would take our rights away. Can i ask, How old you are? Or if you remeber the seminal years of 1992-94?? It was in those years that the EBR people saw the "fudds" sell them out to get the AWB passed! This attitude was EPITOMIZED by the actions of Bill RUGER. the quniessential FUDD! He told congress all the things that Fudds belive in and it helped a long way in getting Repubs on board with the vote. "no need for more than 10 round guns", "i wont make 30 round mags for my guns to the public cause its about sporting values", "AR's and AK's give the sport a bad name" FUCK HIM AND FUCK FUDDS. |
I came to get a definition. Now, having read this thread here's what I see... A bunch of hotheaded internet chest pumping name callers who don't know the first thing (let alone the value) of constructive education and outreach to the individuals and groups that you (we) need to advance the cause of freedom. Drool on with your self-gratification mental masturbation The rest of us are making a real world difference by extending olive branches rather than throwing grenades. |
Yep! I was even bright enough to do it just so I could come back and reply to what would predictably come with this... Name calling only inspires more insulting words and division. See why it's a bad idea? It's counter productive to the cause. Shalom. |
Ya, sure. 
'Fudd' isn't name-calling, per se, it is simply describing a subset of hunters. Calling them 'Stupid bastards who don't know the first damned thing about protecting their 2nd Amendment right' is getting closer to name-calling, but since it is still fairly accurate, it stands. They are coming out of the woodwork, you know. |
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I think that there is a small group of hunter's that believe that there isn't any type of sporting use of owning an AR, BUT at the club I have let some of those same guys shoot mine and they had smiles a mile wide after. Putting a wedge between us can only hurt our cause not help  Shit some of the young guys at the club call me a fudd when I bring my flintlock muzzle loaders to the range. I think I shoot those more than anything else 
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I think what alot of people need to understand is that 'Fudd' doesn't automatically mean 'hunter.' I'll repeat that because I think some people are missing what others have already stated in this thread. 'Fudd' doesn't automatically mean 'hunter.' 'Fudd' doesn't automatically mean 'hunter.' 'Fudd' doesn't automatically mean 'hunter.' |
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I own a couple of evil black rifles. I hunt with evil black rifles of the proper caliber: AR10 for bambi's & hogs, AR15 for yodel-dawgs, bobcats, etc. They are a great conversation starter to educate hunters and they are a wonderful annoyance to Fudds, Zumbos, DDers, and various other idiots. |