Posted: 7/23/2012 7:05:41 PM EDT
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"No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords"
Now THAT's a constitution in phase with modern times. And yes, I believe that some outdated amendments from over 200 years ago inherited from the resistance against the British power can and should be repealed, in the name of a safer society. Then he links to this article |
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My response:
Here's the crux of the issue, you couldn't get rid of guns in the United States if you wanted to. I think there are 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million citizens in this nation. If you did outlaw them (pretty much a political impossibility), there would be millions of guns on the streets for a century. There would be massive civil disobedience to the new law. Most hardcore second amendment guys such as myself would not turn them in and criminals for sure would not turn them in. So such a law would only make criminals of former law abiding citizens without having an appreciable affect on gun violence. A person planning a mass shooting would certainly be able to get his hands on as many guns as they would be willing to pay for. I don't think foreigners really understand the gun culture in America. We love our guns. We think that having civilians own arms is vital to having a free society. You are never going to take them away from us and any law that did such a thing would be ineffective. Even a law banning standard capacity magazines would be next to worthless. After the last AWB expired gun nuts such as myself have been stocking up on 30 round magazines in anticipation for the next assault weapon ban. I won't give away particulars, but I have well north of two dozen of them. I won't be running out anytime soon and I'm on the more sane side of the culture. I know people that have hundreds. So banning them would only have the impact of raising prices. Any criminal could still easily get a hold of one for a mass shooting. Japan never had a gun culture, in addition at the end of WWII they were a completely defeated nation, allowing themselves to be completely disarmed. You would have to do the same thing to the US to disarm us. It just simply won't happen. |
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Actually the real crux of the matter is that you can't stop an activity my making it illegal.
Murder is illegal, has been for pretty much forever, and still occurs. Edit : How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths Not how they actually have....... "it's functionally impossible to fully isolate and compare the two gun control regiments. It's not much easier to balance the costs and benefits of Japan's unusual approach, which helps keep its murder rate at the second-lowest in the world, though at the cost of restrictions that Kopel calls a "police state," a worrying suggestion that it hands the government too much power over its citizens." |
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"No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords" Now THAT's a constitution in phase with modern times. And yes, I believe that some outdated amendments from over 200 years ago inherited from the resistance against the British power can and should be repealed, in the name of a safer society. Then he links to this article In response to his linked article, send him this: http://carnabyfudge.blogspot.com/2008/06/another-mass-knife-attack-in-japan.html |
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What does a cheese-eating surrender monkey know about standing up to government tyranny?
And Japan? Really? Might as well compare our gun culture to that of the Buddhist Monks of Tibet for all the relevancy involved in a Japanese comparison. EDIT: Besides, the Japanese, being gun-less, are so desperate for something to use as compensation, they invented tentacle rape. 
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| I have found that an effective way of arguing against anti-gun libs is to make it clear to them how futile it would be to try and disarm the American public. I have gotten quite a few to see how worthless gun legislation is with this line of thought. It may not turn them into gun nuts, but it does make them shut up. |
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"No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords" Now THAT's a constitution in phase with modern times. And yes, I believe that some outdated amendments from over 200 years ago inherited from the resistance against the British power can and should be repealed, in the name of a safer society. Then he links to this article A land without Guns and a race going extinct
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Quoted: My response: Here's the crux of the issue, you couldn't get rid of guns in the United States if you wanted to. I think there are 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million citizens in this nation. If you did outlaw them (pretty much a political impossibility), there would be millions of guns on the streets for a century. There would be massive civil disobedience to the new law. Most hardcore second amendment guys such as myself would not turn them in and criminals for sure would not turn them in. So such a law would only make criminals of former law abiding citizens without having an appreciable affect on gun violence. A person planning a mass shooting would certainly be able to get his hands on as many guns as they would be willing to pay for. I don't think foreigners really understand the gun culture in America. We love our guns. We think that having civilians own arms is vital to having a free society. You are never going to take them away from us and any law that did such a thing would be ineffective. Even a law banning standard capacity magazines would be next to worthless. After the last AWB expired gun nuts such as myself have been stocking up on 30 round magazines in anticipation for the next assault weapon ban. I won't give away particulars, but I have well north of two dozen of them. I won't be running out anytime soon and I'm on the more sane side of the culture. I know people that have hundreds. So banning them would only have the impact of raising prices. Any criminal could still easily get a hold of one for a mass shooting. Japan never had a gun culture, in addition at the end of WWII they were a completely defeated nation, allowing themselves to be completely disarmed. You would have to do the same thing to the US to disarm us. It just simply won't happen. So you only have one AR? |
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My response: Here's the crux of the issue, you couldn't get rid of guns in the United States if you wanted to. I think there are 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million citizens in this nation. If you did outlaw them (pretty much a political impossibility), there would be millions of guns on the streets for a century. There would be massive civil disobedience to the new law. Most hardcore second amendment guys such as myself would not turn them in and criminals for sure would not turn them in. So such a law would only make criminals of former law abiding citizens without having an appreciable affect on gun violence. A person planning a mass shooting would certainly be able to get his hands on as many guns as they would be willing to pay for. I don't think foreigners really understand the gun culture in America. We love our guns. We think that having civilians own arms is vital to having a free society. You are never going to take them away from us and any law that did such a thing would be ineffective. Even a law banning standard capacity magazines would be next to worthless. After the last AWB expired gun nuts such as myself have been stocking up on 30 round magazines in anticipation for the next assault weapon ban. I won't give away particulars, but I have well north of two dozen of them. I won't be running out anytime soon and I'm on the more sane side of the culture. I know people that have hundreds. So banning them would only have the impact of raising prices. Any criminal could still easily get a hold of one for a mass shooting. Japan never had a gun culture, in addition at the end of WWII they were a completely defeated nation, allowing themselves to be completely disarmed. You would have to do the same thing to the US to disarm us. It just simply won't happen. So you only have one AR? Sadly yes 
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I have found that an effective way of arguing against anti-gun libs is to make it clear to them how futile it would be to try and disarm the American public. I have gotten quite a few to see how worthless gun legislation is with this line of thought. It may not turn them into gun nuts, but it does make them shut up. Go to the link I posted above and then you can show them that murder doesn't stop simply because the choice of tools is limited by government mandate. |
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Quoted: Quoted: My response: Here's the crux of the issue, you couldn't get rid of guns in the United States if you wanted to. I think there are 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million citizens in this nation. If you did outlaw them (pretty much a political impossibility), there would be millions of guns on the streets for a century. There would be massive civil disobedience to the new law. Most hardcore second amendment guys such as myself would not turn them in and criminals for sure would not turn them in. So such a law would only make criminals of former law abiding citizens without having an appreciable affect on gun violence. A person planning a mass shooting would certainly be able to get his hands on as many guns as they would be willing to pay for. I don't think foreigners really understand the gun culture in America. We love our guns. We think that having civilians own arms is vital to having a free society. You are never going to take them away from us and any law that did such a thing would be ineffective. Even a law banning standard capacity magazines would be next to worthless. After the last AWB expired gun nuts such as myself have been stocking up on 30 round magazines in anticipation for the next assault weapon ban. I won't give away particulars, but I have well north of two dozen of them. I won't be running out anytime soon and I'm on the more sane side of the culture. I know people that have hundreds. So banning them would only have the impact of raising prices. Any criminal could still easily get a hold of one for a mass shooting. Japan never had a gun culture, in addition at the end of WWII they were a completely defeated nation, allowing themselves to be completely disarmed. You would have to do the same thing to the US to disarm us. It just simply won't happen. So you only have one AR? I've only got one myself, Why? You have one you will give me????  |
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My response: Here's the crux of the issue, you couldn't get rid of guns in the United States if you wanted to. I think there are 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million citizens in this nation. If you did outlaw them (pretty much a political impossibility), there would be millions of guns on the streets for a century. There would be massive civil disobedience to the new law. Most hardcore second amendment guys such as myself would not turn them in and criminals for sure would not turn them in. So such a law would only make criminals of former law abiding citizens without having an appreciable affect on gun violence. A person planning a mass shooting would certainly be able to get his hands on as many guns as they would be willing to pay for. I don't think foreigners really understand the gun culture in America. We love our guns. We think that having civilians own arms is vital to having a free society. You are never going to take them away from us and any law that did such a thing would be ineffective. Even a law banning standard capacity magazines would be next to worthless. After the last AWB expired gun nuts such as myself have been stocking up on 30 round magazines in anticipation for the next assault weapon ban. I won't give away particulars, but I have well north of two dozen of them. I won't be running out anytime soon and I'm on the more sane side of the culture. I know people that have hundreds. So banning them would only have the impact of raising prices. Any criminal could still easily get a hold of one for a mass shooting. Japan never had a gun culture, in addition at the end of WWII they were a completely defeated nation, allowing themselves to be completely disarmed. You would have to do the same thing to the US to disarm us. It just simply won't happen. So you only have one AR? Sadly yes Hell even I have 2, and I don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. Buy parts, they eventually become a rifle.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My response: Here's the crux of the issue, you couldn't get rid of guns in the United States if you wanted to. I think there are 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million citizens in this nation. If you did outlaw them (pretty much a political impossibility), there would be millions of guns on the streets for a century. There would be massive civil disobedience to the new law. Most hardcore second amendment guys such as myself would not turn them in and criminals for sure would not turn them in. So such a law would only make criminals of former law abiding citizens without having an appreciable affect on gun violence. A person planning a mass shooting would certainly be able to get his hands on as many guns as they would be willing to pay for. I don't think foreigners really understand the gun culture in America. We love our guns. We think that having civilians own arms is vital to having a free society. You are never going to take them away from us and any law that did such a thing would be ineffective. Even a law banning standard capacity magazines would be next to worthless. After the last AWB expired gun nuts such as myself have been stocking up on 30 round magazines in anticipation for the next assault weapon ban. I won't give away particulars, but I have well north of two dozen of them. I won't be running out anytime soon and I'm on the more sane side of the culture. I know people that have hundreds. So banning them would only have the impact of raising prices. Any criminal could still easily get a hold of one for a mass shooting. Japan never had a gun culture, in addition at the end of WWII they were a completely defeated nation, allowing themselves to be completely disarmed. You would have to do the same thing to the US to disarm us. It just simply won't happen. So you only have one AR? I've only got one myself, Why? You have one you will give me???? I would be willing to barter some dollars for guns. |
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"Welcome to Munich! Here's your yellow star!"  |
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Actually the real crux of the matter is that you can't stop an activity my making it illegal. Murder is illegal, has been for pretty much forever, and still occurs. Edit : How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths Not how they actually have....... "it's functionally impossible to fully isolate and compare the two gun control regiments. It's not much easier to balance the costs and benefits of Japan's unusual approach, which helps keep its murder rate at the second-lowest in the world, though at the cost of restrictions that Kopel calls a "police state," a worrying suggestion that it hands the government too much power over its citizens." Funny, Japanese still find plenty of ways to off themselves: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/04/japan-suicide-rate-still-_n_831430.html |
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And yes, I believe that some outdated amendments from over 200 years ago inherited from the resistance against the British power can and should be repealed, in the name of a safer society.
That's a relief. It's good to learn that human nature changed at some point in the last 200 years, and political leaders can no longer be tyrants.  |
| Please respond using THIS as an example. Shall we ban gasoline? Because this guy killed 87 people with $1 worth of gas |
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Even Russia may change the law: http://en.rian.ru/papers/20120720/174699079.html
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I would delete said french antigunner from facebook immediately.
Most of these people are a waste of time and effort to talk to. They can't wrap their heads around the most blatantly obvious statistics in the world. Look up most gun ownership per 100 on wiki, then compare that to the list of homocide rates. Honduras has the most murders of any country at 88/100,000 and their gun ownership per 100 is 6. The us has 88/100 gun ownership and isn't anywhere near the top of murders per country. Even less when you look at states with less crime (which coincidentally have the LEAST gun laws) |
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With freedom comes risk. We assume that risk in favor of our freedom. +1 This is a good statement that too many fail to realize. Even if, and there no doubt ARE, many laws which could be implemented restricting our freedom and granting us more personal safety, as a country we have elected to demonstrate and practice FREEDOM, even if it may have a cost....instead of paying the COST of freedom for the prior |
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must be nice, i lost all of mine during a tragic poker game. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My response: Here's the crux of the issue, you couldn't get rid of guns in the United States if you wanted to. I think there are 300 million guns in the hands of 90 million citizens in this nation. If you did outlaw them (pretty much a political impossibility), there would be millions of guns on the streets for a century. There would be massive civil disobedience to the new law. Most hardcore second amendment guys such as myself would not turn them in and criminals for sure would not turn them in. So such a law would only make criminals of former law abiding citizens without having an appreciable affect on gun violence. A person planning a mass shooting would certainly be able to get his hands on as many guns as they would be willing to pay for. I don't think foreigners really understand the gun culture in America. We love our guns. We think that having civilians own arms is vital to having a free society. You are never going to take them away from us and any law that did such a thing would be ineffective. Even a law banning standard capacity magazines would be next to worthless. After the last AWB expired gun nuts such as myself have been stocking up on 30 round magazines in anticipation for the next assault weapon ban. I won't give away particulars, but I have well north of two dozen of them. I won't be running out anytime soon and I'm on the more sane side of the culture. I know people that have hundreds. So banning them would only have the impact of raising prices. Any criminal could still easily get a hold of one for a mass shooting. Japan never had a gun culture, in addition at the end of WWII they were a completely defeated nation, allowing themselves to be completely disarmed. You would have to do the same thing to the US to disarm us. It just simply won't happen. So you only have one AR? Sadly yes |
