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AR15.COM
12/21/2004 9:47:23 PM EDT
I'm starting to believe faith, as discussed here, is a matter of genetics. There must be a faith gene.

Some believe without proof (it is the definition of faith, after all) and all I can think of is that it must be genetic, built in.

Some people are just built to follow a religious leader and believe in these things, no scientific proof required. LIstening to believers describe it, it sounds like a 'feeling' which is what leads me to believe it is genetic.

Some people don't have the faith gene and can't understand how people with the gene can believe what they do.

Of course, people with the gene can't understand how people without it can exist.

12/21/2004 9:49:10 PM EDT
[#1]
Maybe

I have the AR15  gene
12/21/2004 9:50:46 PM EDT
[#2]
Actually, a better term would be a 'faith allele' for a 'belief gene'.
12/21/2004 9:57:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Wow , there seems to be a gene for anything people claim. Is there a beer gene? If so I think I have one.

Of course there is NO scientific proof that our genes make up our mental abilities beyond basic survival.

12/21/2004 10:36:27 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Maybe

I have the AR15  gene





+1
12/21/2004 10:42:46 PM EDT
[#5]
Hmmm..... Interesting.... Then how do all my grandparents, both my parents and all my brothers and sisters(I have six) believe in God when poor WI_Rifleman is cursed with rational thought and rejects the idea of a supreme being? If it was a recessive allele most likely it would show up in one of my siblings too.
12/22/2004 2:08:58 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Hmmm..... Interesting.... Then how do all my grandparents, both my parents and all my brothers and sisters(I have six) believe in God when poor WI_Rifleman is cursed with rational thought and rejects the idea of a supreme being? If it was a recessive allele most likely it would show up in one of my siblings too.



As with all things genetic, there is no real black and white, diversity falls on the bell shaped curve. Most people have a passing, non-compulsive belief system while some have none and some are fundamentalist.

Thinking about it a bit more, I believe its not a 'faith' gene but one that leads some people to compulsively ' follow the leader'.

Humans are tribal and tribes must have leaders. Therefore it must be in all of us to 'follow the leader' to one degree or another.

I suspect that's why for so many fundamentalists, Bush can do no wrong. God can do no wrong. The leaders they invest in become infallible.
12/22/2004 2:14:28 PM EDT
[#7]
Damn, I was hoping to see a pic of some girl named "Faith Gene"!
12/22/2004 3:04:51 PM EDT
[#8]
You can believe in a faith gene all you want.

But when that story came out, you should have seen the biologist I know ranting and raving about it.

There is no faith gene. There is no biological predisposition to religion.

Psychological conditioning would be a more legitimate arguement.
12/22/2004 3:08:35 PM EDT
[#9]
Naw, it couldn't be that, for some who had Faith early in life, come to lose that Faith.

And those who had no Faith whatsoever in their youth, suddenly find Faith when they are older.

Wouldn't a gene produce predictive behaviour?

Nope. You decide to follow Christ based upon your own heart.

Eric The(Believing)Hun
12/22/2004 3:18:48 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

I suspect that's why for so many fundamentalists, Bush can do no wrong. God can do no wrong. The leaders they invest in become infallible.



That is silly.

I support President Bush, but clearly understand that he is completely fallible, and fails all the time.

No mere man is beyond failure.

Jesus, however, was, and is, no mere man.  He is God, and completely without fault.

We fundementalists are, as usual, something you don't understand at all.

Just as you don't understand our God.
12/22/2004 3:25:12 PM EDT
[#11]
May I say that genetics in themselves is a pretty complex and amazing thing? Their existence and intense developmental nature is astounding. Then when you consider that kind of building block at a molecular level all working in harmony to build all the things around us - everywhere you look - is simply overload for the human to concieve. But then to think that it's all something that happend by some chance natural phenomenon. Then to think from that point on it all developed progessively in every direction and aspect, one building on another. Until, the genious design before us today come to be. There's simply no direction you can look on this planet and not see something working by design. Even if you believe humans (and everything else) developed by evolving from goo, no rational person could dismiss the incalculable effect that would have had to take place for us to be here, pecking away on computers. PLEASE!!!

I humbly submit that if you believe this design exists by chance, you have FAR more faith than I.

I can understand why people choose not to believe, and especially in a particular religion. But to deny a creator is pure nonsense! Genetics - yup I got em....
12/22/2004 3:55:06 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
May I say that genetics in themselves is a pretty complex and amazing thing? Their existence and intense developmental nature is astounding. Then when you consider that kind of building block at a molecular level all working in harmony to build all the things around us - everywhere you look - is simply overload for the human to concieve. But then to think that it's all something that happend by some chance natural phenomenon. Then to think from that point on it all developed progessively in every direction and aspect, one building on another. Until, the genious design before us today come to be. There's simply no direction you can look on this planet and not see something working by design. Even if you believe humans (and everything else) developed by evolving from goo, no rational person could dismiss the incalculable effect that would have had to take place for us to be here, pecking away on computers. PLEASE!!!

I humbly submit that if you believe this design exists by chance, you have FAR more faith than I.

I can understand why people choose not to believe, and especially in a particular religion. But to deny a creator is pure nonsense! Genetics - yup I got em....



Some people would say that this 'evidence' of design is only the inevitable outcome of a particular set of circumstances.

The physics of our universe and the physical properties of this planet allow for only one outcome.

When the outcome actually happens it is not necessarily proof of intelligent design.



12/22/2004 4:08:55 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Some people would say that this 'evidence' of design is only the inevitable outcome of a particular set of circumstances.

The physics of our universe and the physical properties of this planet allow for only one outcome.

When the outcome actually happens it is not necessarily proof of intelligent design.






You have a  faith that out of  a believed chaos came intelligent design ?
12/22/2004 4:17:55 PM EDT
[#14]
Yah some people would say that...  

"inevitable outcome of a particular set of circumstances"

funny to see those words in the same sentence

that's quite a set, and let me say - faith goes both ways.

You're choosing the doozy I have it easier though as I've seen hard physical evidence in my life. Unfortunately the difference between myself and folks who don't believe is simply who/what we attribute these events to. Granted some peoples lives seem mundane and uneventfull, such that they're bored into submission (or dealt a tough hand). But the whole design aspect for me trumps all. If you ever look into the statistics of what you suggest, you'll find you've got a long way to go. What's amazing is the word "science" being aligned with these "theories". Well I have a theory, or is it a science (who cares, right? - it's all relative...)? I'll reproduce my results while I make some new skin cells, turn some oxygen into energy and my brain converts all the radiant light reflections of Christmas lights into beautiful images, now you reproduce yours...