Posted: 4/20/2010 8:43:10 AM EDT
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Here's one for you. How many of you would demand to see an Officer's drivers license after stopping an unmarked car with a plain clothes Officer even after the Officer identified himself with his picture agency ID & his Sergeant showed up on the stop with ID stating that the undercover officer was actively engaged in his duties of following a suspect during a surveillance? Yes it happened, I could not fathom the idea of delaying another cop after being explained that he was actively engaged in the performance of his duties.
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Was it for a....motor vehicle violation? If so, ID would be good enough for me...
if he was holding someone at gunpoint or something...then obviously it would be a different story. You could always go over air and get valid confirmation (since their supervisors would/could possibly be listening) |
| Yeah, that's what we thought too. But this trooper could not leave it alone and it turned into a big to do. After stopping dozens of cops over the years, I would never imagined anything beyond, "have a good night & be safe" as a response. ESPECIALLY if it was determined that the guy was working a case or on the way to a call out. |
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Pretty much sums that up.Yeah, that's what we thought too. But this trooper could not leave it alone and it turned into a big to do. After stopping dozens of cops over the years, I would never imagined anything beyond, "have a good night & be safe" as a response. ESPECIALLY if it was determined that the guy was working a case or on the way to a call out. 
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There are dip-shits among us no doubt.
Guys/Gals, I have been on this site since 2001 and I do not post BS made up lies. With that being said, I worked a death investigation Sunday evening with a Trooper who several weeks prior got a Uniform Traffic Citation for 8mph over while driving his own private vehicle. Here is the kick in the nuts part... both Troopers used to work together...  . No bad blood between them, no ill history.
At first I thought the Trooper was BS'ing me... turns out that I know, and have worked with, the Trooper who wrote the ticket .
The Trooper I worked the death investigation said all the other Trooper could say was something to the effect "I would not feel right just letting you go and not writing a ticket seeing how he has written everyone else" .
First off 8 mph over would NEVER have gotten my attention unless I had other ideas for you  . Second off, I would NEVER have stopped a person for 8 mph over. Third, I would NEVER write a UTC, let alone a WARNING for 8 mph over. I figured that because I let other citizens go w/o a citation on a stop in the past, I have NO issue with cutting a fellow cop, a nurse, a fire fighter, etc a break on a ticket.
Yep, we got some real winners in our career field. |
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I will say that I did that once, as a rookie. You get so ingrained with using that identification, that I had tunnel vision. Fast forward to 10 years later, and I just stopped a PD Sergeant the other day for an HOV lane violation. He showed me his Commission card, I told him to quit it, and I had to give him a little bit of a hard time, tipped my hat, and off he went.
So unless he was wet behind the ears, he was just being an Adam Henry. |
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There are dip-shits among us no doubt. Guys/Gals, I have been on this site since 2001 and I do not post BS made up lies. With that being said, I worked a death investigation Sunday evening with a Trooper who several weeks prior got a Uniform Traffic Citation for 8mph over while driving his own private vehicle. Here is the kick in the nuts part... both Troopers used to work together... . No bad blood between them, no ill history.
At first I thought the Trooper was BS'ing me... turns out that I know, and have worked with, the Trooper who wrote the ticket .
The Trooper I worked the death investigation said all the other Trooper could say was something to the effect "I would not feel right just letting you go and not writing a ticket seeing how he has written everyone else" .
First off 8 mph over would NEVER have gotten my attention unless I had other ideas for you . Second off, I would NEVER have stopped a person for 8 mph over. Third, I would NEVER write a UTC, let alone a WARNING for 8 mph over. I figured that because I let other citizens go w/o a citation on a stop in the past, I have NO issue with cutting a fellow cop, a nurse, a fire fighter, etc a break on a ticket.
Yep, we got some real winners in our career field. We have a t least one guy that I know that does the same thing. He has given a few LEO friends of mine citations for speed, even after identifying them as police. One stop he even took the duty weapon and took the slide off before handing it back. I was like WTF, and I called his supervisor about it. That didnt happen again, but he still cites LEOs for minor traffic. I still don't get it. |
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We have a t least one guy that I know that does the same thing. He has given a few LEO friends of mine citations for speed, even after identifying them as police. One stop he even took the duty weapon and took the slide off before handing it back. I was like WTF, and I called his supervisor about it. That didnt happen again, but he still cites LEOs for minor traffic. I still don't get it. Must be the same clown that stopped 2 different guys working for me. Both were in marked units. He said a GPS anywhere on the window is obstructing the view of the driver and issued a warning. The other he pulled out disarmed and made his stand there on the side of the road, while he confirmed the car wasn't stolen
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Pretty much sums that up.Yeah, that's what we thought too. But this trooper could not leave it alone and it turned into a big to do. After stopping dozens of cops over the years, I would never imagined anything beyond, "have a good night & be safe" as a response. ESPECIALLY if it was determined that the guy was working a case or on the way to a call out.
Check yourself, Brother. |
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There are dip-shits among us no doubt. Guys/Gals, I have been on this site since 2001 and I do not post BS made up lies. With that being said, I worked a death investigation Sunday evening with a Trooper who several weeks prior got a Uniform Traffic Citation for 8mph over while driving his own private vehicle. Here is the kick in the nuts part... both Troopers used to work together... . No bad blood between them, no ill history.
At first I thought the Trooper was BS'ing me... turns out that I know, and have worked with, the Trooper who wrote the ticket .
The Trooper I worked the death investigation said all the other Trooper could say was something to the effect "I would not feel right just letting you go and not writing a ticket seeing how he has written everyone else" .
First off 8 mph over would NEVER have gotten my attention unless I had other ideas for you . Second off, I would NEVER have stopped a person for 8 mph over. Third, I would NEVER write a UTC, let alone a WARNING for 8 mph over. I figured that because I let other citizens go w/o a citation on a stop in the past, I have NO issue with cutting a fellow cop, a nurse, a fire fighter, etc a break on a ticket.
Yep, we got some real winners in our career field. Holy shit, that fucker would be on his way to work and drive by his locker in a U-turn. After his ass beating. And I'm a supervisor. |
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There are dip-shits among us no doubt. Guys/Gals, I have been on this site since 2001 and I do not post BS made up lies. With that being said, I worked a death investigation Sunday evening with a Trooper who several weeks prior got a Uniform Traffic Citation for 8mph over while driving his own private vehicle. Here is the kick in the nuts part... both Troopers used to work together... . No bad blood between them, no ill history.
At first I thought the Trooper was BS'ing me... turns out that I know, and have worked with, the Trooper who wrote the ticket .
The Trooper I worked the death investigation said all the other Trooper could say was something to the effect "I would not feel right just letting you go and not writing a ticket seeing how he has written everyone else" .
First off 8 mph over would NEVER have gotten my attention unless I had other ideas for you . Second off, I would NEVER have stopped a person for 8 mph over. Third, I would NEVER write a UTC, let alone a WARNING for 8 mph over. I figured that because I let other citizens go w/o a citation on a stop in the past, I have NO issue with cutting a fellow cop, a nurse, a fire fighter, etc a break on a ticket.
Yep, we got some real winners in our career field. Holy crap. How the hell can FHP lose the stigma of citing LEOs when one of then is willing to write their own? [/facepalm] |
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There are dip-shits among us no doubt. Guys/Gals, I have been on this site since 2001 and I do not post BS made up lies. With that being said, I worked a death investigation Sunday evening with a Trooper who several weeks prior got a Uniform Traffic Citation for 8mph over while driving his own private vehicle. Here is the kick in the nuts part... both Troopers used to work together... . No bad blood between them, no ill history.
At first I thought the Trooper was BS'ing me... turns out that I know, and have worked with, the Trooper who wrote the ticket .
The Trooper I worked the death investigation said all the other Trooper could say was something to the effect "I would not feel right just letting you go and not writing a ticket seeing how he has written everyone else" .
First off 8 mph over would NEVER have gotten my attention unless I had other ideas for you . Second off, I would NEVER have stopped a person for 8 mph over. Third, I would NEVER write a UTC, let alone a WARNING for 8 mph over. I figured that because I let other citizens go w/o a citation on a stop in the past, I have NO issue with cutting a fellow cop, a nurse, a fire fighter, etc a break on a ticket.
Yep, we got some real winners in our career field. Holy crap. How the hell can FHP lose the stigma of citing LEOs when one of then is willing to write their own? [/facepalm] I don't know... One thing I do know for sure is that it will not be too long before I run into the Trooper who wrote the ticket or his supervisor... once I do, I will be able to really verify the details. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are dip-shits among us no doubt. Guys/Gals, I have been on this site since 2001 and I do not post BS made up lies. With that being said, I worked a death investigation Sunday evening with a Trooper who several weeks prior got a Uniform Traffic Citation for 8mph over while driving his own private vehicle. Here is the kick in the nuts part... both Troopers used to work together... . No bad blood between them, no ill history.At first I thought the Trooper was BS'ing me... turns out that I know, and have worked with, the Trooper who wrote the ticket . The Trooper I worked the death investigation said all the other Trooper could say was something to the effect "I would not feel right just letting you go and not writing a ticket seeing how he has written everyone else" .First off 8 mph over would NEVER have gotten my attention unless I had other ideas for you . Second off, I would NEVER have stopped a person for 8 mph over. Third, I would NEVER write a UTC, let alone a WARNING for 8 mph over. I figured that because I let other citizens go w/o a citation on a stop in the past, I have NO issue with cutting a fellow cop, a nurse, a fire fighter, etc a break on a ticket. Yep, we got some real winners in our career field. Holy crap. How the hell can FHP lose the stigma of citing LEOs when one of then is willing to write their own? [/facepalm] I don't know... One thing I do know for sure is that it will not be too long before I run into the Trooper who wrote the ticket or his supervisor... once I do, I will be able to really verify the details. Just before he says: "Press hard, three copies."  I was pulled and written for five over in March. I and another vehicle were doing 80 per the Sgt. The officer that stopped me said he was just doing what his Sgt told him to do. The same pair wrote my wife about two weeks later. |
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Quoted: There are dip-shits among us no doubt. Guys/Gals, I have been on this site since 2001 and I do not post BS made up lies. With that being said, I worked a death investigation Sunday evening with a Trooper who several weeks prior got a Uniform Traffic Citation for 8mph over while driving his own private vehicle. Here is the kick in the nuts part... both Troopers used to work together... . No bad blood between them, no ill history.At first I thought the Trooper was BS'ing me... turns out that I know, and have worked with, the Trooper who wrote the ticket . The Trooper I worked the death investigation said all the other Trooper could say was something to the effect "I would not feel right just letting you go and not writing a ticket seeing how he has written everyone else" .First off 8 mph over would NEVER have gotten my attention unless I had other ideas for you . Second off, I would NEVER have stopped a person for 8 mph over. Third, I would NEVER write a UTC, let alone a WARNING for 8 mph over. I figured that because I let other citizens go w/o a citation on a stop in the past, I have NO issue with cutting a fellow cop, a nurse, a fire fighter, etc a break on a ticket. Yep, we got some real winners in our career field. There's a trooper in my area who was riding with her husband (an LEO at another state agency) and was recently pulled over by her own sergeant for something less than 15 over (she didn't ay how fast, just less than 15 over). The guy read her and him both the riot act. No ticket, but he raised hell and wrote a fucking warning to him for it.  |
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Don't feel bad guy's, I was cited for not wearing my seatbelt on Christmas morning by a trooper. The trooper acknowledged my credentials, and even stated “that would be a cool agency to work for“, before proceeding back to his patrol car where he wrote me the citation.
I guess he was upset about not having Christmas off. |
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Specifically, no. The ones we might run into like that were NIS and the showing of an NIS id was "to not detain" and that was it.
On "more open ground", I would have to say that it would depend on the situation and surroundings but that decision to say nay or yay should be department policy and made at the higher levels. What I'm saying is that visual recognition of credentials, of people, of good guys, and what an enemy might try to pull can get to be, very quickly, a complex game. Back to the Navy for a moment. We had a lot of high ranking people that could come through the gate. One might try to use personal recognition to get thru, ie, "Don't you know me?" but if the sentry did not recognize them, then the proper response was "Sir, I do not recognize you.". As an aid to such situations, I had posted down in the gate house a photo directory of all high ranking officers and persons, from Flag Select thru the President, of all the sea services and the like (USN, USMC, USCG, USPHS, NOAA). I probably tried to include photos of unit commanders in that as well. I understand, not the same situation here, but in a similar ballpark. So what is the situation here? Simply put, if the department has sufficient reason to suspect that unit identification may be compromised, then the patrols should be told to ask for more ID. _________________________________________ ("I'll have to check this out, Colonel; one moment, please."––space launch facility security guard with Gary Seven's CIA identification in hand, (w,stte), ST:TOS "Assigment: Earth") |
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I stopped a guy driving a hepped up BMW one night.
I saw him flashing me a badge in his side view mirror. I still went to the passenger side to actually get a look at his badge. He was part of a narcotics task force and was trying to follow someone. Our interaction lasted less than 20 seconds counting from the time I stepped from my patrol car. He was obviously working because he had a police portable in the passenger seat and was getting on his radio when I was walking away. He was probably doing a 100 mph before I could get back in my patrol car...haha. No need to see a driver's license or have a Sgt come out. It's reasonable for me to assume he was working considering that his driving was poor, but in line with trying to follow a doper without being seen. No, I would not ask for the driver's license. Sounds like some Highway Patrolman wound way to tight or someone brand new who isn't sure what to do in a situation he had never considered. |
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Oh...and the last time I was pulled over for speeding...the trooper asked me "did you know you were doing XX mph?" "yes" "Do you know what happens if you crash going XX mph" "yeah" "Then why were you driving XX mph?"
"Because I'm stupid." He then noticed my badge holder (no badge) in my wallet, asked what agency I worked for. I told him, and he said, "we pull a lot of guys over from your agency." "That's cuz we have a lot of stupid officers." I firmly believe I got the warning because I admitted to being stupid....which I'm totally comfortable with doing now that I'm not 20 y.o.. |
| We got some dicks in this business. I wrote one of my rookies a ticket not too long ago. He wrecked passing a car on the right on a two lane street. Traffic investigator was gonna give him the ticket anyway. I asked him "Would you rather get a ticket from a cop you don't know or from one who loves ya like an brother" ? He thinks it's funny now. |
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Pretty much sums that up.Yeah, that's what we thought too. But this trooper could not leave it alone and it turned into a big to do. After stopping dozens of cops over the years, I would never imagined anything beyond, "have a good night & be safe" as a response. ESPECIALLY if it was determined that the guy was working a case or on the way to a call out.
That was my first thought...even before rookie! :) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |