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11/2/2008 2:35:17 PM EDT
So when I filled out my voter registration card, I had to check a box that confirmed that I have never been convicted of a felony. Since ACORN signed whoever to vote, I have to ask:

Does the .gov perform a criminal check when you submit a voter registration card? I am sure there are thousands upon thousands on convicted felons that suddenly have the desire to have their (illegal) vote counted. How does our government ensure that these ineligible votes are not counted?

11/2/2008 2:36:08 PM EDT
[#1]
I don't know how they verify but felons are allowed to vote in some states.
11/2/2008 2:37:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Felons can vote in Michigan
11/2/2008 2:47:56 PM EDT
[#3]
From the Montana Constitution

Section 28. Criminal justice policy –– rights of the convicted. (1) Laws for the punishment of crime shall be founded on the principles of prevention, reformation, public safety, and restitution for victims.
(2) Full rights are restored by termination of state supervision for any offense against the state.
History: Amd. Const. Amend. No. 33, approved Nov. 3, 1998.


I believe this also restores 2nd amendment rights from GCA 68 922 definitions

(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter [18 USCS Sec.Sec.921 et seq.] if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.

11/2/2008 2:52:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
From the Montana Constitution

Section 28. Criminal justice policy –– rights of the convicted. (1) Laws for the punishment of crime shall be founded on the principles of prevention, reformation, public safety, and restitution for victims.
(2) Full rights are restored by termination of state supervision for any offense against the state.
History: Amd. Const. Amend. No. 33, approved Nov. 3, 1998.


I believe this also restores 2nd amendment rights from GCA 68 922 definitions

(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter [18 USCS Sec.Sec.921 et seq.] if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.




That is correct, I have often wondered if any other state in the union restores a persons 2a rights after they are done with their time (Including parole and probation)?
11/2/2008 2:54:36 PM EDT
[#5]
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From the Montana Constitution

Section 28. Criminal justice policy –– rights of the convicted. (1) Laws for the punishment of crime shall be founded on the principles of prevention, reformation, public safety, and restitution for victims.
(2) Full rights are restored by termination of state supervision for any offense against the state.
History: Amd. Const. Amend. No. 33, approved Nov. 3, 1998.


I believe this also restores 2nd amendment rights from GCA 68 922 definitions

(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter [18 USCS Sec.Sec.921 et seq.] if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.




That is correct, I have often wondered if any other state in the union restores a persons 2a rights after they are done with their time (Including parole and probation)?



Michigan does after 3 years from the date of prob/parole completion automatically for some felonies. Other felonies it is after 5 years, but there is courtwork or something. Those are for felonies that involve an element of violence, or if it was a firearm related felony, or I believe drug related.


ETA is there anyway to copy and paste text from a PDF file?
11/2/2008 2:55:58 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
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From the Montana Constitution

Section 28. Criminal justice policy –– rights of the convicted. (1) Laws for the punishment of crime shall be founded on the principles of prevention, reformation, public safety, and restitution for victims.
(2) Full rights are restored by termination of state supervision for any offense against the state.
History: Amd. Const. Amend. No. 33, approved Nov. 3, 1998.


I believe this also restores 2nd amendment rights from GCA 68 922 definitions

(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter [18 USCS Sec.Sec.921 et seq.] if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.




That is correct, I have often wondered if any other state in the union restores a persons 2a rights after they are done with their time (Including parole and probation)?



Michigan does after 3 years from the date of prob/parole completion automatically for some felonies. Other felonies it is after 5 years, but there is courtwork or something. Those are for felonies that involve an element of violence, or if it was a firearm related felony, or I believe drug related.



In Montana those are perminant disabilitys.
11/2/2008 3:03:23 PM EDT
[#7]

My ex-wife got all her rights restored in FL, convicted of two felonies in 2000. Plea-bargained to three years probation, trafficking and felony marijuana possession.
11/2/2008 3:10:54 PM EDT
[#8]
yep thats the reason for the clause in the wording

"unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms"

That way each case can be handled separately, to keep obviously dangerous felons from receiving firearms legally, ie... murderers, rapists and persons who used weapons in commission of their crimes.  

We all know that felons can get guns if they want them here in Montana just look in the local paper all kinds of guns for sale just a phone call away. The key is not to keep felons from obtaining guns the key is to keep the violent ones locked up or terminated. Release  the non violent ones after completion of their sentence w/rights restored, hit em harder if they screw up again.
11/2/2008 3:13:24 PM EDT
[#9]
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yep thats the reason for the clause in the wording

"unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms"

That way each case can be handled separately, to keep obviously dangerous felons from receiving firearms legally, ie... murderers, rapists and persons who used weapons in commission of their crimes.  

We all know that felons can get guns if they want them here in Montana just look in the local paper all kinds of guns for sale just a phone call away. The key is not to keep felons from obtaining guns the key is to keep the violent ones locked up or terminated. Release  the non violent ones after completion of their sentence w/rights restored, hit em harder if they screw up again.


QFT
11/2/2008 3:20:47 PM EDT
[#10]
Stupid question what does QFT mean still not fully up to speed on some of this interwebs lingo

11/2/2008 3:26:53 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Stupid question what does QFT mean still not fully up to speed on some of this interwebs lingo



Quoted For Truth
I used to think it meant Quit Fuckin' Talking
11/2/2008 3:28:20 PM EDT
[#12]
I heard FL was trying to clear off tens of thousands of felons off the voter rolls.
11/2/2008 3:49:36 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
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From the Montana Constitution

Section 28. Criminal justice policy –– rights of the convicted. (1) Laws for the punishment of crime shall be founded on the principles of prevention, reformation, public safety, and restitution for victims.
(2) Full rights are restored by termination of state supervision for any offense against the state.
History: Amd. Const. Amend. No. 33, approved Nov. 3, 1998.


I believe this also restores 2nd amendment rights from GCA 68 922 definitions

(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter [18 USCS Sec.Sec.921 et seq.] if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.




That is correct, I have often wondered if any other state in the union restores a persons 2a rights after they are done with their time (Including parole and probation)?



Michigan does after 3 years from the date of prob/parole completion automatically for some felonies. Other felonies it is after 5 years, but there is courtwork or something. Those are for felonies that involve an element of violence, or if it was a firearm related felony, or I believe drug related.


ETA is there anyway to copy and paste text from a PDF file?



I'm a parole officer in Michigan and I can tell you that all of my parolees, including those serving on 2nd degree murder, sex offenses, armed robbery, etc., are allowed to vote immediately upon their release from prison.  We've actually had voter registration people in the waiting room on report days signing these guys up by the hundreds.  Guess who most of them are going to vote for?
11/2/2008 3:54:46 PM EDT
[#14]
Most states provide a way for felons to get their voting rights, and often their full civil rights, back. Sometimes it is automatic upon release/passage of time from release/payment of all fines and restitution, and sometimes it requires petitioning the courts or state government and an approval of said petition.
11/2/2008 3:58:26 PM EDT
[#15]
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From the Montana Constitution

Section 28. Criminal justice policy –– rights of the convicted. (1) Laws for the punishment of crime shall be founded on the principles of prevention, reformation, public safety, and restitution for victims.
(2) Full rights are restored by termination of state supervision for any offense against the state.
History: Amd. Const. Amend. No. 33, approved Nov. 3, 1998.


I believe this also restores 2nd amendment rights from GCA 68 922 definitions

(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter [18 USCS Sec.Sec.921 et seq.] if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.




That is correct, I have often wondered if any other state in the union restores a persons 2a rights after they are done with their time (Including parole and probation)?



Michigan does after 3 years from the date of prob/parole completion automatically for some felonies. Other felonies it is after 5 years, but there is courtwork or something. Those are for felonies that involve an element of violence, or if it was a firearm related felony, or I believe drug related.


ETA is there anyway to copy and paste text from a PDF file?



I'm a parole officer in Michigan and I can tell you that all of my parolees, including those serving on 2nd degree murder, sex offenses, armed robbery, etc., are allowed to vote immediately upon their release from prison.  We've actually had voter registration people in the waiting room on report days signing these guys up by the hundreds.  Guess who most of them are going to vote for?



I think we have a nominee for "ARFCOMer with the worst fucking job" award.

Detroit?  Yikes!
11/3/2008 7:28:59 PM EDT
[#16]
I actually enjoy my job for the most part, like today, I had to draw down on an absconder who was in a car.  The bad part is asking who they are voting for, and they all answer Obama.   They are mostly minorities getting food stamps and want a black president because they are living on yours and my tax dollars.