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Posted: 2/8/2023 4:33:59 PM EDT
[#1]
This follows the same pattern every year. Fall drags along as students are uncertain of scale of project and aren't with it so much. Then in the spring they see it coming together and work at about 3 times the speed they started at since they can see the end product in reach and get much more precise and efficient and exacting in their work so a whole lot more gets done in the spring than in the fall.
Don't assume that on the schedule though, otherwise you'll need summer school for art, (which would be a really cool thing either way). They're doing great and are eager with new input and smiling. I like that! |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 6:10:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FestusMcGee]
[#2]
Question
 for guns. Have you ever weighed any of the large scale projects? Ever since I've lurked here that's been on my mind. If not weighed what is your best guess on what each one must weigh? Inquiring minds and all that stuff. 
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Posted: 2/8/2023 6:20:02 PM EDT
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T-shirts.....
We are getting close to time. I need some opinions, and I'll even add a poll. I thought I could add all of these options for colors and shirts/sweatshirts, but it looks like we loose the discount for number of shirts, if they get divided up between colors and styles.  We may have to limit it down to two colors and a sweatshirt and a tshirt option. I'm showing this front, but my students seem to have changed their mind, judging by the voting going on right now. That may go back to the bucking horse version.   Long sleeve version? Had a few want this.  Sweatshirts. These are different from last year. Much less expensive. More normal cut. Run small. Most popular so far.   Least popular  Most popular t's    Least popular, but I know arfcomers asked for this...  Post what you are thinking, and I'll get a poll up tonight. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 7:15:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: redoubt]
[#4]
I'm keen on the buff-yellow for the shirts.
If you're going to mess with the elevators, you're going to need to add flaps. Check the trailing part of the wings.  
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Posted: 2/8/2023 7:52:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FestusMcGee: Question for guns. Have you ever weighed any of the large scale projects? Ever since I've lurked here that's been on my mind. If not weighed what is your best guess on what each one must weigh? Inquiring minds and all that stuff. We have. We brought in a scale once to prove they were not nearly has heavy as they look.  The funny thing is our scissor lift is a pretty accurate measurement. It only will lift 500lbs. Two 220lb guys just about maxes its lift ability out. Add a 220lb guy in the lift and it will not go up if the fuselage body of our project is more of that. The submarine front 2/3rds section was close to making this not happen.  Most finished fuselages we've build maybe hit 100-125lbs, maybe. Probably less in most cases. Wings might add 20-30lbs each? We always use heavier cable than necessary and attach to main I-beams that are massive. We have had an engineering firm come in to make sure the builds are safely displayed. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 8:26:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: T-shirts..... We are getting close to time. I need some opinions, and I'll even add a poll. I thought I could add all of these options for colors and shirts/sweatshirts, but it looks like we loose the discount for number of shirts, if they get divided up between colors and styles. We may have to limit it down to two colors and a sweatshirt and a tshirt option. I'm showing this front, but my students seem to have changed their mind, judging by the voting going on right now. That may go back to the bucking horse version. https://i.imgur.com/Zs5DaD9.png Long sleeve version? Had a few want this. https://i.imgur.com/st6wtbD.png Sweatshirts. These are different from last year. Much less expensive. More normal cut. Run small. Most popular so far. https://i.imgur.com/ZiUX0e9.png https://i.imgur.com/Hi7JeXN.png Least popular https://i.imgur.com/UBrMh5s.png Most popular t's https://i.imgur.com/E5u2G6M.png https://i.imgur.com/EcCZhPc.png https://i.imgur.com/qyQ7fyA.png Least popular, but I know arfcomers asked for this... https://i.imgur.com/NAmkSpc.png Post what you are thinking, and I'll get a poll up tonight. I think the yellow makes sense since it matches what smokejumpers wear but I think the orange throws it off. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 8:49:31 PM EDT
[#7]
I'd like a gray pullover sweatshirt. Failing that, the most grey like DO/sage pullover hoodie thing. Do they have pockets? Maybe a grey tshirt as well (or the sage/DO green failing grey, but grey looks good, black is too hot, white gets dirty too easy, and... well. gray!)
I have a stack of T-shirts, may as well do something different this time. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 8:51:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: We have. We brought in a scale once to prove they were not nearly has heavy as they look. The funny thing is our scissor lift is a pretty accurate measurement. It only will lift 500lbs. Two 220lb guys just about maxes its lift ability out. Add a 220lb guy in the lift and it will not go up if the fuselage body of our project is more of that. The submarine front 2/3rds section was close to making this not happen. Most finished fuselages we've build maybe hit 100-125lbs, maybe. Probably less in most cases. Wings might add 20-30lbs each? We always use heavier cable than necessary and attach to main I-beams that are massive. We have had engineering forms come in to make sure the builds are safely displayed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By FestusMcGee: Question for guns. Have you ever weighed any of the large scale projects? Ever since I've lurked here that's been on my mind. If not weighed what is your best guess on what each one must weigh? Inquiring minds and all that stuff. We have. We brought in a scale once to prove they were not nearly has heavy as they look. The funny thing is our scissor lift is a pretty accurate measurement. It only will lift 500lbs. Two 220lb guys just about maxes its lift ability out. Add a 220lb guy in the lift and it will not go up if the fuselage body of our project is more of that. The submarine front 2/3rds section was close to making this not happen. Most finished fuselages we've build maybe hit 100-125lbs, maybe. Probably less in most cases. Wings might add 20-30lbs each? We always use heavier cable than necessary and attach to main I-beams that are massive. We have had engineering forms come in to make sure the builds are safely displayed. Are the cable anchors bolted through the I-beams? That would hold a crapload of weight (and a bitch to drill through). Not so much if the cable terminates at a 3M sticky zip tie block. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 9:13:50 PM EDT
[#9]
Guns, your timing is excellent. I'm searching for a new hoodie right now, but won't need it till spring.
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Posted: 2/8/2023 9:33:45 PM EDT
[#10]
Voted gray t-shirt. Wore the Raptor shirt today!
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Posted: 2/8/2023 9:41:24 PM EDT
[#11]
guns, Thank you for the reply. I just can't imagine the weight of some of the projects looking at the structural components.
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Posted: 2/8/2023 11:20:15 PM EDT
[#12]
If the hoodies are cheap enough this year, might get one for revolver practice. Been needing to get one properly perforated to demonstrate inside the pocket revolver usage to my customers.
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Posted: 2/9/2023 2:39:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: I'm keen on the buff-yellow for the shirts. If you're going to mess with the elevators, you're going to need to add flaps. Check the trailing part of the wings. https://images5.alphacoders.com/421/421196.jpg https://assets2.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/07/07/9487aee1-a679-489c-83e6-166bb0b0464c/thumbnail/1240x698/dc3add627563d82328a35aa98430040f/fire-resources-6pkg_frame_962.jpg I'm contacting Subnet for you exact location. Expect a dozen or so very angry teenagers sooooooooooon!  You've killed the dreams of many young people.  We are now working to add the flaps "down". 
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Posted: 2/9/2023 4:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: I'm contacting Subnet for you exact location. Expect a dozen or so very angry teenagers sooooooooooon! You've killed the dreams of many young people. We are now working to add the flaps "down". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By redoubt: I'm keen on the buff-yellow for the shirts. If you're going to mess with the elevators, you're going to need to add flaps. Check the trailing part of the wings. https://images5.alphacoders.com/421/421196.jpg https://assets2.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/07/07/9487aee1-a679-489c-83e6-166bb0b0464c/thumbnail/1240x698/dc3add627563d82328a35aa98430040f/fire-resources-6pkg_frame_962.jpg I'm contacting Subnet for you exact location. Expect a dozen or so very angry teenagers sooooooooooon! You've killed the dreams of many young people. We are now working to add the flaps "down". Looks like it could be added to the existing rear rail of wing, not notching it out in spots and re-doing the internal framing. Just the sheeting would need to be cut and some creative rasping of foam and more skin should do it. On the bright side, there's only one wing. |
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Posted: 2/9/2023 5:37:46 PM EDT
[#15]
The OD green, usually not my forte, is what speaks to me the most.
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Posted: 2/9/2023 7:37:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
[#16]
Update 2/9
This is the front graphic that has the most votes from students. Thoughts?  Some vegetation around our firefighter..  Going to need more work in our smoke.  Parachute added to our landed smokejumpers.  Tribute to the Granite Mountain Hot shots.  Smokey's poster is moving quickly.  Lookout to go on the tower.  1st coat of paint on the nozzle.   The wing flaps..... We a Ready had the top line cut, so marking the bottime and removing some skin wasn't too tough. We had just finished a coat of paper mache on the edge. Unhappy student over that.  We cut the foam edge off, at the top flap edge.  We are now adding rib extensions to the wing. We will fit the foam edge back on the extensions, then re-skin the "flaps". Should look pretty decent if we can keep it all together. 
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Posted: 2/9/2023 8:39:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: I'm contacting Subnet for you exact location. Expect a dozen or so very angry teenagers sooooooooooon! You've killed the dreams of many young people. We are now working to add the flaps "down". I told my wife I was going to be in trouble as soon as I posted that. Sorry. |
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Posted: 2/9/2023 9:14:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2023 9:15:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: I told my wife I was going to be in trouble as soon as I posted that. Sorry. You did us a huge favor . It's going to look way better with the flaps out.Just watch out for angry children with glue guns and nails disguised as rivets. 
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Posted: 2/9/2023 9:31:16 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seiran: The OD green, usually not my forte, is what speaks to me the most. I get the most comments on the PHS USMC helicopter crew OD green shirt, including being stopped in the airport concourse.
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Posted: 2/9/2023 9:33:28 PM EDT
[#21]
The Smokey poster looks good.
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Posted: 2/9/2023 10:15:44 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: You did us a huge favor . It's going to look way better with the flaps out.Just watch out for angry children with glue guns and nails disguised as rivets. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By redoubt: I told my wife I was going to be in trouble as soon as I posted that. Sorry. You did us a huge favor . It's going to look way better with the flaps out.Just watch out for angry children with glue guns and nails disguised as rivets. Maybe next year y'all could do a scale model high school w/ scaled art exhibits. Tiny green lockers up & down the halls... |
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Posted: 2/9/2023 10:33:06 PM EDT
[#23]
 Chinese Spy Balloons - WW2 Weapon Updated for 2023 |
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Posted: 2/9/2023 10:33:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Just imagine how small the rivets would be.
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Posted: 2/9/2023 10:45:28 PM EDT
[#25]
Another year, another awesome project.
All my students are doing is building an engine. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 5:01:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
[#26]
Not to be picky, but I'll be picky and repeat a complaint I had in an earlier work, forgot which one... The PVC fittings still look too much like, well, PVC Fittings. Can you add some wrap to the center so the expansion flanges to fit other pipes. Even if it's tapered down and then back up with Papier-mâché then paint black, or will it be too distant to notice that with other extra stuff on it? At least the seams were smoothed out (except the round bit at top near plane in pic) and I don't see the bumps for wrenches, just the flange shape on it. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 6:20:36 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: I told my wife I was going to be in trouble as soon as I posted that. Sorry. Don't worry. Just wear a heavy jacket for a wile. My whip marks are almost healed from when the mars tractor was all but done and I asked where the windshield wiper was. The students get over it after a bit of blood is shed.  EBR |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:14:20 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryBoth in the works. 
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:18:39 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EBR666: Don't worry. Just wear a heavy jacket for a wile. My whip marks are almost healed from when the mars tractor was all but done and I asked where the windshield wiper was. The students get over it after a bit of blood is shed. EBR Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EBR666: Originally Posted By redoubt: I told my wife I was going to be in trouble as soon as I posted that. Sorry. Don't worry. Just wear a heavy jacket for a wile. My whip marks are almost healed from when the mars tractor was all but done and I asked where the windshield wiper was. The students get over it after a bit of blood is shed. EBR The younger brother of the designer or the "iOn Blade" is now a team leader of this project. We've laughed about that detail and how it came about, and the amazing end result, complete with the giraffe head "i" for his personal brand. It's a pretty funny story that give that whole project charachter. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:26:29 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By only1asterisk: Another year, another awesome project. All my students are doing is building an engine. That is an exceptionally useful skill set to learn about. Awesome that you are teaching that to them. 
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:33:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Your students worry more about rivets than I ever had to!
And they were MY rivets! C-130A/B/H Model Crew Chief As always, Well Done, Students! 
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:33:36 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: https://i.imgur.com/dJcZE5H.jpg Not to be picky, but I'll be picky and repeat a complaint I had in an earlier work, forgot which one... The PVC fittings still look too much like, well, PVC Fittings. Can you add some wrap to the center so the expansion flanges to fit other pipes. Even if it's tapered down and then back up with Papier-mâché then paint black, or will it be too distant to notice that with other extra stuff on it? At least the seams were smoothed out (except the round bit at top near plane in pic) and I don't see the bumps for wrenches, just the flange shape on it. I'll pass that on to the students. We'll see if we can d3fine some details a little more. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:36:53 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By c130montana: Your students worry more about rivets than I ever had to! And they were MY rivets! C-130A/B/H Model Crew Chief As always, Well Done, Students!  A couple have become quite obsessive over their lines, and having them in the correct spot. I got chewed out yesterday for rushing one of them. Flexible/bendable rulers have become quite a valued tool. We have only tow and only about 12". They are hidden so as not to get lost.....I just wish they would share with me where they hide them. 
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Posted: 2/10/2023 10:44:05 AM EDT
[#34]
And, we are reworking the flaps this morning.
We need more accurate contours. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 11:38:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Cargo]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: A couple have become quite obsessive over their lines, and having them in the correct spot. I got chewed out yesterday for rushing one of them. Flexible/bendable rulers have become quite a valued tool. We have only tow and only about 12". They are hidden so as not to get lost.....I just wish they would share with me where they hide them. eta - estimated delivery on Valentine's Day..... |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 11:55:33 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cargo: Amazon to the rescue as soon as I find your school's address. eta - estimated delivery on Valentine's Day..... PHS Art Guild Powell High School 1151 E. 7th St Powell, WY 82435 THANK YOU!!!!
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Posted: 2/10/2023 11:57:54 AM EDT
[#37]
Good news! Shirt color choices don't affect the cost of the shirts for us, other than minor differences in color costs per shirt. Still get discounts for numbers sold, so we will be able to offer choices for everyone....even yellow.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:27:57 PM EDT
[#38]
I'm a traditionalist, went with gray.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 7:46:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Doesn't matter to me... I'm buying one regardless.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 8:27:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FB41: Doesn't matter to me... I'm buying one regardless. that's the truth I basically buy 1 T-shirt a year, sometimes two if there's an extra AR15.com fundraiser. Wore a bright Pink T-shirt with a Peep on it this morning |
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Posted: 2/11/2023 9:32:55 PM EDT
[#41]
Just wondering: Will that F-22 get an updated balloon on its fuselage
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Posted: 2/11/2023 10:04:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Just wondering: Will that F-22 get an updated balloon on its fuselage I like your thinking.
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Posted: 2/12/2023 5:48:08 AM EDT
[#43]
Want grey one - how do I buy it?
Guns, you need anything else? |
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Posted: 2/12/2023 6:04:47 AM EDT
[#44]
I'm getting last year's converted into a zippered hoodie right now. FWIW, I really like the construction/materials used, it's really nice.
Any chance for long sleeve versions of the t-shirts? |
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Posted: 2/12/2023 9:46:57 AM EDT
[#45]
Since I wore a grey project shirt yesterday I need to branch out and I voted green.
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Posted: 2/12/2023 9:55:29 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: I'm getting last year's converted into a zippered hoodie right now. FWIW, I really like the construction/materials used, it's really nice. Any chance for long sleeve versions of the t-shirts? Kids want a long sleeve version also, and I've got one set up.
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Posted: 2/12/2023 4:47:46 PM EDT
[#47]
Let us know when it is live and let it run a couple weeks for those who always miss out by a day.
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Posted: 2/13/2023 12:27:23 AM EDT
[#48]
guns, maybe you could reach out to @Mike_NDS and distribute them through H&R's distribution channels? He's doing great things on the Retro Forum.
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Posted: 2/13/2023 11:58:14 AM EDT
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Update 2/13
This is the beginning of our Dragon Egg dispenser drone.  We found a decent reference of what the flaps on our C-130 should look like, extended.  New flap ribs going on.  He was avoiding my camera....he failed.  Fitting the edge of the flaps to the ribs.   Our cowlings are looking better every day.   Picnic basket installed. Yogi and Booboo making their way to the basket.  Finally, Friday, students were asking about left over shirts from past projects. I still have some. I'm going to let them have first pic, but these may be available to arfcomers later. Sizes and designs are extremely limited, obviously.  
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Posted: 2/13/2023 12:04:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Updated poll. Which front T design do you prefer? The kids are pretty decisively liking the bucking horse, but this is very similar to Cody High School's "Broncs" mascot. Cody is our closest rival.
Bucking Horse design? Or The Firefighter shield with Panther head?
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